What Does The Holocaust Mean to You?
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What a horrible thing to happen to the Jewish people, but one positive thing did occur from it. Hitler spent a large percentage of his forces killing the Jews when he should have used them for military purposes. Had he won the war, millions more would have died, and we would not be.Eggsnham said:
It is also important to remember that while 3 million Jews were killed in the Holocaust, Stalin killed twenty million of his own people through the city burnings, mass conscription, and meat shielding.
I'm just glad that so far no one here has gone and said that it never happened. Although saying that you're glad it reduced the population is a little messed up.
Even if genocide keeps happening, even if the word "holocaust" is used sometimes for evil, the more people we convince that it is a bad thing, the better.
Edit: Also, Jewish is and ethnicity as well as a religion. There are ethnic Jews who don't practice the Judaic religion.
Even if genocide keeps happening, even if the word "holocaust" is used sometimes for evil, the more people we convince that it is a bad thing, the better.
Edit: Also, Jewish is and ethnicity as well as a religion. There are ethnic Jews who don't practice the Judaic religion.
While Communist leaders were atheists, I don't think that necessarily means anything. Hitler's beliefs were a bizarre mix of the Occult, Christianity, and Norse mythology, but I don't think anybody can reasonable argue that any one of those had anything to do with the Holocaust.Skullkid4187 said:
No, there aren't. Jews practice Judaism. One can have ancestors who practiced Judaism, but it's not "transmitted" through the generations. If you don't practice Judaism, you're not a Jew.Sonofadiddly said:
Shindler was a great man. The credits of all the surviving Shindler jews putting rocks on the grave always gets me.
What we should be doing is worrying about the africa genocides going on right now. The invisible children that we dont hear about on the news.
What we should be doing is worrying about the africa genocides going on right now. The invisible children that we dont hear about on the news.
I'm sorry, but I'm afraid you're wrong. Even Wikipedia knows that:Rosicrucian said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews
Haven't you ever heard of Jews for Jesus?
A prime example of the desensitization in todays world. Yeah, we have to leard that extermintation is bad. This didnt happen to long ago and the world is still turning a blind eye to this type of stuff. History will never be "a tired and used up topic" most especially this. God damn kids these days.twostripe said:
So what's a Jew who stops follow Judaism? Why is any different than, say, my ancestral but non-practicing Catholicism? Is there a Jewish segment on the human genome? Wikipedia itself says(as if that's definitive in any way)". . .making the definition of who is a Jew vary slightly depending on whether a religious or national approach to identity is used."Sonofadiddly said:
Firstly, isn't this one of those topics where anyone who says anything other then, "Oh it was so sad." Is going to be seen as a cruel heartless bastard?
Second, why is it we always attribute "The Holocaust" to the jews and the event surrounding them during World War II?
And finally my opinion,
It's happened before, it happened after, it'll more likely then not happen again. It's sad, it's a real testament to how evil people can be when the right pillars fall... And well let's face it. It can't be changed.
It clearly doesn't do anything to cry over people most of us have never met. To feel bad over our ancestors horrible choices of action (Or lack thereof) as we have genocides going on even now.
Plus we all seem to forget that 'The Holocaust' while tragic and claiming a significant number of lives wasn't the worst crime against a single population in our worlds history.
It was a horrible time for everyone in that era. If you're lucky enough to have not had to suffer through it or anything like it. I'd count your blessings.
Second, why is it we always attribute "The Holocaust" to the jews and the event surrounding them during World War II?
And finally my opinion,
It's happened before, it happened after, it'll more likely then not happen again. It's sad, it's a real testament to how evil people can be when the right pillars fall... And well let's face it. It can't be changed.
It clearly doesn't do anything to cry over people most of us have never met. To feel bad over our ancestors horrible choices of action (Or lack thereof) as we have genocides going on even now.
Plus we all seem to forget that 'The Holocaust' while tragic and claiming a significant number of lives wasn't the worst crime against a single population in our worlds history.
It was a horrible time for everyone in that era. If you're lucky enough to have not had to suffer through it or anything like it. I'd count your blessings.
Why are people so impossible tonight? Look, if I could take my religious studies professor and throw her at your head, I would. The Wikipedia page calls them an "ethnoreligious" group! Look at this one!Rosicrucian said:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_divisions
It's all about how Jewish is an ethnic culture! Non-religious Jews are still Jews, they're just ethnic Jews. There is as much a Jewish DNA segment as there is an Italian one. Here's another website for you!
http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Jewish
This is not up for debate, people.
The "holocaust" to me is jewish perpetrated myth, so that they can behave like monsters without being criticized. If anyone points how disgusting they are for bombing international schools and hospitals with white phosphorus, they simply cry back that you are a anti-Semite, nazi etc etc. Not to mention that it has become a great money making industry.
It also greatly disturbs me that a historic event such as this, it has become illegal to reexamine the evidence to get a better picture of what actually took place. There are many strong arguments that the number of hews who died is much lower than the 6 million claimed, such as the fact that if that many jews did die, it would take a impossible birth rate for the number jews post WW2 to be true. When reparations and suing German companies came about, millions of jew just magically reappeared.
It also greatly disturbs me that a historic event such as this, it has become illegal to reexamine the evidence to get a better picture of what actually took place. There are many strong arguments that the number of hews who died is much lower than the 6 million claimed, such as the fact that if that many jews did die, it would take a impossible birth rate for the number jews post WW2 to be true. When reparations and suing German companies came about, millions of jew just magically reappeared.
Of course it is, and I'm debating it. And throwing your "religious studies" professor seems to be a point in my favor. And how can there be an Italian DNA segment when Italy has only existed since 1861?Sonofadiddly said:
Quote as many websites as you want, most of them are equivocal (like the whole first paragraph of the wordIQ page) or simply stating cases of self-identification (as in the first paragraph of the "Jewish ethnic division" entry).
By the way something, I said Jews weren't a race, which indeed is not up for debate, because there is no Jewish DNA, because religion is a chosen human behavior, not an expression of biological markers.
I don't think about just the Jews, since that's the only one you really hear about. I think about the Romanians, the homosexuals, the immigrants, and the civil rights activists that were killed for being who they were, but unlike the Jews, they didn't really get any help after the fact.
No, see I was learning about the Jewish religion in a class, and she told us that Jewish is an ethnicity. You are right that Jewish is not a race. There is nothing in the DNA that makes you Jewish or Italian. But the Jewish people came from a specific land long long ago. In that land everyone believed in the Jewish religion. But as time went on some people decided that the religion wasn't for them. But they didn't stop being Jewish. They are still part of the people, the culture, and the ethnicity.Rosicrucian said:
Here: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/jew
If dictionary.com doesn't count, then I'll stop trying to convince you. Only one definition of the top three is about religion. Scroll down a bit and you get this:
"2. A member of the widely dispersed people originally descended from the ancient Hebrews and sharing an ethnic heritage based on Judaism."
The ethnicity and the religion are intertwined, but you can be a Jew without believing in the religion.