What happened to Caramel Frappe?
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I think there has been lots of good ideas floated around over the last year. But a large group would shut it down, making it unfeasible.Arnoxthe1 said:
Unfortunately, like all democracies, some people will have to deal with a situation they don't like because there is no possible way to make everyone happy. We going to have to convince those who feel ostracised by community decisions to stay because we probably need most here for the community to survive.
I'm all for Defy taking their part of the blame and they definitely don't want to take responsibility for this site. Don't let that be a scapegoat for us taking our responsibility too.
Honestly, I don't think we ever had an opportunity to take responsibility for pretty much anything so it's completely irrelevant what the community did or didn't want, and WW is really just a mere distraction from the main issue of the site being completely fucking abandoned except for Yahtzee vids.trunkage said:
Can't say I ever had much issue with Frappe.
Questionable decisions, sure, but, they never seemed willfully harmful, unlike others.
I hope whatever they're doing, they're enjoying it more than what they were doing here.
Questionable decisions, sure, but, they never seemed willfully harmful, unlike others.
I hope whatever they're doing, they're enjoying it more than what they were doing here.
Well, we arent told much, and since we have to rely almost exclusively on our community, I think things should be far more transparent than they are. There is still too much of an arm's length between those with some semblance of power and the rest of us.trunkage said:
And dont get me wrong, I appreciated Frappe's idealism. My problem isnt that they promised us good things, its that when they couldnt deliver, they quietly bailed. If they said "Hey, so it turns out all that stuff I said, here is all the reasons why I cant do it". Instead, silence for weeks.
Even this, Id have preffered Frappe just own up to the issues, and be like "Hey, I cant deal with this, so I am going to step down, maybe take a break" etc.
I get that those in semi-power cant be as visible as users as they might have been, its why I dont assume Basement Cat is MIA, just busy, but I didnt know Frappe was gone until this topic, and thats not cool.
Well put. Granted, if Frappe waited till he got the ok from Defy for these things first (And actually had the ability/tools in front of him to make it happen) before promising them to us, then it might've gone a bit smoother. So I do think there's some responsibility needing to be held there on his part. But the fact he was fighting an uphill battle against a company that gives no fucks about its site, a lack of ability to fix the site himself alongside his team that couldn't help fix it either, and a section of the ungrateful userbase... No, I don't think it's fair to say it was much of his failureArnoxthe1 said:
From what I gathered by my limited interactions with him, his outside life was putting increasing demands on his time. The most likely and realistic scenario was that he had to decide how to spend the limited free time he had. Pursue the stuff in his outside life or pour it into his online life on the forum. I would say he chose the former.
That's my opinion anyway. If it turns out he was abducted by aliens I wouldn't fall over in shock.
That's my opinion anyway. If it turns out he was abducted by aliens I wouldn't fall over in shock.
Annnnnd then there's that.Fischgopf said:
I mean case in point. That's what passes for I guess clever? I mean I can't tell if that's a dank meme, a fresh meme, a forced meme, a me-me meme, is this memes? or cancer memes.LostGryphon said:
A quick Google search tells me its from yet another high school based anime staring Japanese girls with suspiciously Caucasian features, so I'm going to go with either Harem meme, or assuming I missed something about it being big in 4chan, cancer meme.
Oh, boy, Frappe.
Um, let's see. What to say, what to say?
Frappe came into the forum right around the time several users were trying to make it nicer - the most prominent of which, of course, was Aylaine. Frappe saw that this was a means to popularity, and followed suit. Maybe much of it was genuine; I don't know. He wanted power and popularity - that much became clear pretty quickly. Being kind and helpful was one means to that end.
It worked. Frappe got popular, and most people seemed to like him. He wormed his way into leadership or co-leadership roles in several user groups, was a big Forum Games poster, and cozied up to most remotely popular users - the ones who didn't outright reject him, that is. And there were some who did just that. Frappe did do lots of good for people, though, and props to him for that.
We bumped heads a few times. I remember when he tried to report me for snarking about his lack of basic English skills in a user group. And when I called him out for whining about [lots of stuff]. He didn't handle criticism well at all; he never did. The Nasrin incident mentioned above is probably the biggest case of it. There was also the (at-the-time infamous) "Escapist Community Awards," which turned so sour - due in part to his mishandling of dissenters - that it was 404ed.
(There were other things that happened over the years, much of which I don't remember the specifics for. The perception that came from it is what I've mentioned in this post.)
We put most of our issues behind us in the years that followed. He grew up; credit where credit is due. But we went some time without speaking. And I'm still somewhat sour that, after the site had to let go most of its content creators and the mods took over, he took over my Community Spotlight without any consultation. And then did almost nothing with it.
I never thought he should be a staff member but I figured that, at least he seemed to care - and I believe that was genuine - so maybe he had a shot at doing a decent job. I don't know what prevented him from doing anything of consequence with his powers, and I don't like how he's run instead of facing up to the missed promises, but whatever. It doesn't surprise me, either, mind.
Frappe, since you'll probably read this (account-scrub or not, he'll find this thread), I hope you're happy off the site. I really do.
Um, let's see. What to say, what to say?
Frappe came into the forum right around the time several users were trying to make it nicer - the most prominent of which, of course, was Aylaine. Frappe saw that this was a means to popularity, and followed suit. Maybe much of it was genuine; I don't know. He wanted power and popularity - that much became clear pretty quickly. Being kind and helpful was one means to that end.
It worked. Frappe got popular, and most people seemed to like him. He wormed his way into leadership or co-leadership roles in several user groups, was a big Forum Games poster, and cozied up to most remotely popular users - the ones who didn't outright reject him, that is. And there were some who did just that. Frappe did do lots of good for people, though, and props to him for that.
We bumped heads a few times. I remember when he tried to report me for snarking about his lack of basic English skills in a user group. And when I called him out for whining about [lots of stuff]. He didn't handle criticism well at all; he never did. The Nasrin incident mentioned above is probably the biggest case of it. There was also the (at-the-time infamous) "Escapist Community Awards," which turned so sour - due in part to his mishandling of dissenters - that it was 404ed.
(There were other things that happened over the years, much of which I don't remember the specifics for. The perception that came from it is what I've mentioned in this post.)
We put most of our issues behind us in the years that followed. He grew up; credit where credit is due. But we went some time without speaking. And I'm still somewhat sour that, after the site had to let go most of its content creators and the mods took over, he took over my Community Spotlight without any consultation. And then did almost nothing with it.
I never thought he should be a staff member but I figured that, at least he seemed to care - and I believe that was genuine - so maybe he had a shot at doing a decent job. I don't know what prevented him from doing anything of consequence with his powers, and I don't like how he's run instead of facing up to the missed promises, but whatever. It doesn't surprise me, either, mind.
Frappe, since you'll probably read this (account-scrub or not, he'll find this thread), I hope you're happy off the site. I really do.
Visiting WW is a self-inflicted wound, and I would rather have the filthy pus congeal there than spread to the few places I still go.Silentpony said:
If its a self-inflicted wound, then by definition the Escapist did it to itself. Getting rid of the Wild West isn't going to flood Off-Topic with pages long threads of anime tits and spaghetti memes. Just because the WW is a lawless hellhole doesn't mean bleed over to proper forums can be equally lawless.The Rogue Wolf said:
Anyone trying to post a WW type thread in any other forum would get banned, or at least a warning and the thread closed.
And the site would be better for it.
That's a bit of a sad realization, isn't it?Fischgopf said:
At this point, the Escapist's website is best abandoned, but even if the community were to migrate to a different site, what would "it" do there aside from continue on aimlessly bickering with itself.
I also thought of setting something up a little while ago but gave up on the thought after thinking on it for a while.
What point?Silentpony said:
Was that long-winded diatribe supposed to be clever?
Ever thought about maybe taking things less seriously? Being a bit less pedantic? Maybe?
And, frankly, if you're going to whinge, ineffectively flail, and whine about a subforum you don't like in an unrelated thread, on a dying forum then, sincerely, what do you expect?
Certainly doesn't look like discourse is the goal.
Says the person posting anime reaction gifs. That's not even the pot calling the kettle black. That's just a whole new level of lack of awareness.LostGryphon said:
If you post shitty anime memes, you don't get to complain when someone points out you're posting shitty anime memes.