Ya I know which one your talking about...I saw it drop a couple of times as well and watched everyone roll on it cause it was BOE...so to the AH it went. Oh well.Wolfram01 said:
What happened to the WoW community...gaming community in general
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When a population of any sort balloons very rapidly, you're looking at an increased sub-population of extroverted assholes. This is why large groups invariably suck ass; you can't put hundreds of people together in the same community without at least a handful who are not only assholes but also seeking to spread their negativity through constant interaction. They compulsively inject themselves into everything, leaving no safe zone from the bullshit.
It's a little like rush hour traffic. Infrastructure isn't the problem. Rather, it's the increased incidence of people, which shifts the likelihood of incompetent drivers from possible to probable; when you put 1,000 people on a road, fully 50 of them will be godawful drivers. And they are the primary catalyst for the traffic. Despite their minority status, they can slow things down for all of us.
As with every institution in existence, you need to get in on the ground floor and enjoy it while it lasts. Every good idea is eventually corrupted by an excess of people because large groups of people are invariably ruined by a subsection of individuals who are compulsively drawn to crowds in order to fulfill their selfish needs for attention and self-aggrandizement.
Incidentally, this unspecified theory (let's call it "the half-life of 'good'") applies to everything I can think of at the moment. Government, art, entertainment, business - when enough people show up to the party, the odds that one of them will fuck it up for everyone rapidly approach 100%.
Edit: forgot to mention Blizzard's complicity in fostering a casual-friendly environment in order to grow the population of the game exponentially. They cannot be blamed for this. Making money is their goal. It's just an unfortunate reality that things must become shittier in order for more people to enjoy them. If you're looking for a meaningful experience, best-sellers are rarely your best option, in this or any medium.
It's a little like rush hour traffic. Infrastructure isn't the problem. Rather, it's the increased incidence of people, which shifts the likelihood of incompetent drivers from possible to probable; when you put 1,000 people on a road, fully 50 of them will be godawful drivers. And they are the primary catalyst for the traffic. Despite their minority status, they can slow things down for all of us.
As with every institution in existence, you need to get in on the ground floor and enjoy it while it lasts. Every good idea is eventually corrupted by an excess of people because large groups of people are invariably ruined by a subsection of individuals who are compulsively drawn to crowds in order to fulfill their selfish needs for attention and self-aggrandizement.
Incidentally, this unspecified theory (let's call it "the half-life of 'good'") applies to everything I can think of at the moment. Government, art, entertainment, business - when enough people show up to the party, the odds that one of them will fuck it up for everyone rapidly approach 100%.
Edit: forgot to mention Blizzard's complicity in fostering a casual-friendly environment in order to grow the population of the game exponentially. They cannot be blamed for this. Making money is their goal. It's just an unfortunate reality that things must become shittier in order for more people to enjoy them. If you're looking for a meaningful experience, best-sellers are rarely your best option, in this or any medium.
The community was the main reason i kept playing it for as long as i did.
Soon it all went to crap though, the guild i was in became crowded with idiots and the guild leader disbanded on a bad day. That was around the time i quit, the game just lost it's spark.
I returned recently and it didn't seem much better. I was just there for the wotlk trial, the conversations i used to enjoy over general chat were either empty or being spammed and Blizzard had fucked the game over making it even easier for new players and alienating the old ones.
The game's going downhill. It's nothing to be too fussed about, it's kind of exciting seeing what the next mmo to take it's place will be. There's been an influx of promising looking mmo's recently, who knows what will happen.
Soon it all went to crap though, the guild i was in became crowded with idiots and the guild leader disbanded on a bad day. That was around the time i quit, the game just lost it's spark.
I returned recently and it didn't seem much better. I was just there for the wotlk trial, the conversations i used to enjoy over general chat were either empty or being spammed and Blizzard had fucked the game over making it even easier for new players and alienating the old ones.
The game's going downhill. It's nothing to be too fussed about, it's kind of exciting seeing what the next mmo to take it's place will be. There's been an influx of promising looking mmo's recently, who knows what will happen.
Yes, I only played with friends whether I met them there or in real life. After Wrath of the Lich King came out it was all about your gear score and not about actual skill. After a point it came down to whoever spent the most time playing was the best rather than actually learning your class or any of that bullshit. I don't know about you but I built my own talent spec and I was damn good. The only thing holding me back was my gear. But my gear score was under 40 billion since I hung out with girls and saw the daystar at least once a week so I stopped playing.Whitethunder said:
i play wow, but its pretty much like "show up, kill weekly raid boss and any other that are necessary up to him, leave, repeat next week, farm frost badges..." i missed vanilla wow, but i was around for bc which nearly racked up the same difficulty as vanilla. now looking back, i miss that ever pressing hope that your something would drop, the wild cheers over vent on our first magtheridon kill, and the weird bonding you get out of trying to down the boss over and over. seriously, in my old guild for bc, 5 people would be set in groups with each other to make sure that tactics didnt get messed up, and this was used in raids. i had memorized each strategy we used, everyones names, and what each persons roll was. i was actually the designated moral booster for my group. now, the last raid i actually finished was obsidian sanctuary, and that things damn boring after the 7th or 20th time, and the hope for new lootz is replaced by the wanting to get the instance done with a group of random people for some dumb badges. its not really a problem with the community, its just a lot less connected i guess, less about making virtual friends and good times and more about grabbing a new piece you grinded for with strangers.
The community just got old, back when WoW was fresh everyone was still on the same page of trying to learn the hoops. Since then all you have is a bunch of burned out 80s sitting around the auction house wondering why they're still playing this game, and hating themselves and everyone else for their inability to quit and move on.
I stopped playing WoW because after I hit level 80, I couldn't get better gear. I couldn't get into raids because people would kick me for not knowing every single boss fight, I couldn't get points in PvP because everyone had better gear than me.
Personally, I just feel it's a numbers game. If, say, one out of every 10 people on the internet is a jackass then there are just going to be more jackasses visible when your population is bigger. It's most noticeable in things like WoW, Halo or CoD because they're the games with the largest playerbases. Add to this the fact that popularity and a resident jackass population tend to just attract more of the bottom of the barrel, and it's something of a self defeating cycle. Not to say that any of those games are bad games, but when you're that big there's really nothing you can do.
I've been playing WoW since... whenever the Hakkar realm went live. I've never experienced helpfulness/kindness/teamwork at all. Every realm is different, perhaps, but my experience with the Warcraft community as a whole is what keeps me from recommending an otherwise enjoyable game.
I'm sorry you're having such a bad experience. If you're looking for a MMO with a friendly/helpful/intelligent community, give Lord of the Rings Online a go. I've got nothing but positive things to say about those people. I was truly overwhelmed by how great everyone was, especially considering what an utter dunce I was when I started playing. It may well change once it goes free-to-play (perhaps that already happened -- I'm out of the LotRO loop), though.
Good luck, pal.
I'm sorry you're having such a bad experience. If you're looking for a MMO with a friendly/helpful/intelligent community, give Lord of the Rings Online a go. I've got nothing but positive things to say about those people. I was truly overwhelmed by how great everyone was, especially considering what an utter dunce I was when I started playing. It may well change once it goes free-to-play (perhaps that already happened -- I'm out of the LotRO loop), though.
Good luck, pal.
Completely agree with you ckriley...douchbaggery at it's finest. I just hope those guys are like 12 years old. I could accept that.ckriley said:
Have we been on the same internet? Because on my internet everyone can and will act like an asshole.Whitethunder said:
U don't kno where AH is? Talk to a guard n00b.Whitethunder said:
OT: My bad. It seems alot of people have treaded the ground already, though a moral decrease of any internet community it comes down merits of population, anonymous-ness, the drama, the excitement, the response for being a public disobidience to try and self-imply your life means something, blah blah blah all boiled down to the perspective of one apple of something-or-so million in that game. In circumstance, you'll probably find the 'bad one'.
Best thing to do: Don't get caught up on the global-negetivity channel; Many of the confined "guilds" sometimes seem to be filled with reasonable people (hey, they all wanted to be together) do your searching and all. If the game's content is still worth the plausible internet-trite, it should be easy to tolerate eventually.