What if Hitler...?

[sirdanrhodes]

It's impossible to ever know, damn butterfly effect...

What is the butterfly effect? I thought it was just a lousy movie.

Yes, it was a very lousy movie, and I think it is also another name for the Chaos Theory. Basically, the idea to the butterfly effect, a small action could have massive differences in the future.

 

[Dele]

Hitler didnt want a war with Britain or France... he only wanted to fight the Eastern Europeans and communists..

Britain and France only went to war with Hitler because he invaded Poland....


No invasion of poland would probaly have lead to Fascists Vs Communists without the US or Britain etc involved.. then its a question of who would have won?

This isn't true, Hitler wanted power. Power meant conquering the current world powers, which were at that time Britain and France. The US and the USSR were on the way up. Hitler had absolutely planned on a war with Britain and France. Also up until the invasion of Poland Hitler and Stalin were allies, so theoretically if Hitler hadn't invaded Poland then they would have remained allies (still not likley cause Hitler really didn't like communists, but at that point he was still willing to deal with Stalin if it meant keeping the war off of the eastern front).

Hitler wanted to ally with Britain and then take on USSR.

 

[Ridergurl10]

Hitler didnt want a war with Britain or France... he only wanted to fight the Eastern Europeans and communists..

Britain and France only went to war with Hitler because he invaded Poland....


No invasion of poland would probaly have lead to Fascists Vs Communists without the US or Britain etc involved.. then its a question of who would have won?

This isn't true, Hitler wanted power. Power meant conquering the current world powers, which were at that time Britain and France. The US and the USSR were on the way up. Hitler had absolutely planned on a war with Britain and France. Also up until the invasion of Poland Hitler and Stalin were allies, so theoretically if Hitler hadn't invaded Poland then they would have remained allies (still not likley cause Hitler really didn't like communists, but at that point he was still willing to deal with Stalin if it meant keeping the war off of the eastern front).

Hitler wanted to ally with Britain and then take on USSR.

Hitler didn't want any allies. He would have broken an alliances that he even pretended to make, and I don't think he ever had plans to ally with Britain in the first place.

 

[Mr Fatherland]

What if the Artist's Academy he tried to join, let him?

 

[t.tocs]

I love these kinds of posts. This is why I'm in love with this forum. The most random of questions brings about some awesome debate.

If Hitler didn't declare war on Poland, unfortunately, I think he would have declared war on someone else. I strongly believe in fate and if one means doesn't reach the end destination, something else would have. The victims of the holocaust were destined to die, and their deaths were supposed to spark emotions in others to do the things that happened. I believe we would be in the exact same spot we are today, except thinking... "What if Hitler didn't invade "

 

[gh0ti]

Hitler didn't want any allies. He would have broken an alliances that he even pretended to make, and I don't think he ever had plans to ally with Britain in the first place.

Actually, Hitler was very loyal to the allies he did have. He essentially came to the rescue of Italy following their bungled invasion of Greece and sent the Afrika Corps to support them against the British in North Africa. Further, after Japan declared war on the USA, Hitler's loyalty was a key factor in his decision to follow suit.

However, I agree with your main point: Hitler would not have really envisioned Britain or France as a potential ally; the best he could have hoped for was that the two would choose neutrality over open war.

 

[Dele]

Hitler didnt want a war with Britain or France... he only wanted to fight the Eastern Europeans and communists..

Britain and France only went to war with Hitler because he invaded Poland....


No invasion of poland would probaly have lead to Fascists Vs Communists without the US or Britain etc involved.. then its a question of who would have won?

This isn't true, Hitler wanted power. Power meant conquering the current world powers, which were at that time Britain and France. The US and the USSR were on the way up. Hitler had absolutely planned on a war with Britain and France. Also up until the invasion of Poland Hitler and Stalin were allies, so theoretically if Hitler hadn't invaded Poland then they would have remained allies (still not likley cause Hitler really didn't like communists, but at that point he was still willing to deal with Stalin if it meant keeping the war off of the eastern front).

Hitler wanted to ally with Britain and then take on USSR.

Hitler didn't want any allies. He would have broken an alliances that he even pretended to make, and I don't think he ever had plans to ally with Britain in the first place.

In the Mein Kampf I own, he constantly talks about allying with Britain to secure the western flank and then striking USSR to gain 'living space'. Hoping to ally was one of the prime reasons for stopping the offensive in France and letting British evacuate.

 

[Ridergurl10]

Hitler didnt want a war with Britain or France... he only wanted to fight the Eastern Europeans and communists..

Britain and France only went to war with Hitler because he invaded Poland....


No invasion of poland would probaly have lead to Fascists Vs Communists without the US or Britain etc involved.. then its a question of who would have won?

This isn't true, Hitler wanted power. Power meant conquering the current world powers, which were at that time Britain and France. The US and the USSR were on the way up. Hitler had absolutely planned on a war with Britain and France. Also up until the invasion of Poland Hitler and Stalin were allies, so theoretically if Hitler hadn't invaded Poland then they would have remained allies (still not likley cause Hitler really didn't like communists, but at that point he was still willing to deal with Stalin if it meant keeping the war off of the eastern front).

Hitler wanted to ally with Britain and then take on USSR.

Hitler didn't want any allies. He would have broken an alliances that he even pretended to make, and I don't think he ever had plans to ally with Britain in the first place.

In the Mein Kampf I own, he constantly talks about allying with Britain to secure the western flank and then striking USSR to gain 'living space'. Hoping to ally was one of the prime reasons for stopping the offensive in France and letting British evacuate.

At one point Hitler may have had visions of allying with Britain, but that went out the window very quickly. Usually you don't bomb the sh!t out of countries you are hoping to ally with at some point. Also Hitler knew that as soon as he invaded France Britain would declare war on him, thats how alliances work.

 

[Dele]

At one point Hitler may have had visions of allying with Britain, but that went out the window very quickly. Usually you don't bomb the sh!t out of countries you are hoping to ally with at some point. Also Hitler knew that as soon as he invaded France Britain would declare war on him, thats how alliances work.

Well obviously he hoped for an arrangement much similiar to Vichy France where Britain would be a junior partner. There was some movement in Britain to ally with Hitler and with a different Prime Minister it could have been possible.

 

[AkJay]

I like to think Hitler owuld have spent that time burshing up on his art (no pun intended) and have finally been accepted into art school.

 

[TheRightToArmBears]

If Hitler hadnt declared war on Poland history would of turned out much different.
So,I was wandering what do you think would of happend if Hitler hadnt declared war on Poland:
would he of died of old age?,would he have been killed by the freedom fighters?,would we know about the holocaust?,how would the world be different from the one we know today?

Five Words: Command and Conquer: Red Alert

then RA2+3 or the Tiberian games?
Neither sound particulary realistic (but RA is more realistic I suppose)

 

[GBlair88]

This isn't true, Hitler wanted power. Power meant conquering the current world powers, which were at that time Britain and France. The US and the USSR were on the way up. Hitler had absolutely planned on a war with Britain and France. Also up until the invasion of Poland Hitler and Stalin were allies, so theoretically if Hitler hadn't invaded Poland then they would have remained allies (still not likley cause Hitler really didn't like communists, but at that point he was still willing to deal with Stalin if it meant keeping the war off of the eastern front).

If I remember rightly Hitler and Stalin had agreed to invade Poland from their respective sides and share it between them. If he'd concentrated on Britain instead of making a bee-line for Moscow prematurely, WWII would've been over much sooner with a win for zi Germans.

 

[Ridergurl10]

At one point Hitler may have had visions of allying with Britain, but that went out the window very quickly. Usually you don't bomb the sh!t out of countries you are hoping to ally with at some point. Also Hitler knew that as soon as he invaded France Britain would declare war on him, thats how alliances work.

Well obviously he hoped for an arrangement much similiar to Vichy France where Britain would be a junior partner. There was some movement in Britain to ally with Hitler and with a different Prime Minister it could have been possible.

There was no partnership in Vichy France, It was a puppet government completely controlled by Petain who was the German puppet. Hitler wanted to conquer everything, not have lasting partnerships or alliances.

 

[Dele]

There was no partnership in Vichy France, It was a puppet government completely controlled by Petain who was the German puppet. Hitler wanted to conquer everything, not have lasting partnerships or alliances.

It was essentially a partnership, much similiar as with Slovakia, Croatia, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria. As for alliances with Italy and Finland, those were lasting and Hitler provided a lot of help to those countries. Had Britain allied with Hitler after seeing France fall they propably would have been in a similiar alliance as with Italy. Had Hitler conquered Britain, they propably would have set up a similiar puppet government, though he had quite a respect for British so I am quite sure they would have been given more autonomy than Vichy France.