What if Hitler...?

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Eskay

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A lot would depend on the alternate foreign policy that Hitler took. Sadly the rest of Europe seemed happy to turn a blind eye to Hitler's domestic abuses so its unlikely that war would have occurred without a real threat to their territory.

Most likely we'd have a soviet vs west situation. But with both sides far more powerful and boisterous having not been economically ruined by dealing with the Nazis.
 

Ridergurl10

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D.C. said:
Hitler didnt want a war with Britain or France... he only wanted to fight the Eastern Europeans and communists..

Britain and France only went to war with Hitler because he invaded Poland....


No invasion of poland would probaly have lead to Fascists Vs Communists without the US or Britain etc involved.. then its a question of who would have won?
This isn't true, Hitler wanted power. Power meant conquering the current world powers, which were at that time Britain and France. The US and the USSR were on the way up. Hitler had absolutely planned on a war with Britain and France. Also up until the invasion of Poland Hitler and Stalin were allies, so theoretically if Hitler hadn't invaded Poland then they would have remained allies (still not likley cause Hitler really didn't like communists, but at that point he was still willing to deal with Stalin if it meant keeping the war off of the eastern front).
 
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Vanilla Gorilla said:
The infamous SCAMola said:
Many historian believe that if Hitler hadnt declared war on Poland history would of turned out much different.
So,I was wandering what do you think would of happend if Hitler hadnt declared war on Poland:
would he of died of old age?,would he have been killed by the freedom fighters?,would we know about the holocaust?,how would the world be different from the one we know today?
Are we assuming the second world war didnt happen here then? If so then as other people have said war between the Soviet Union and what is now Nato (probably).

For an interesting take on the Axis winning the 2nd World War read the Man in the High Castle by Philip K Dick. Do it. Do it now. I'll wait...
I've already red Fatherland by Rober Harris,is that good enough?
 

TopHatTim

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OK before anyone says im with hitler NOOOO im not he was a terrible man.

BUT without him we wouldnt have alot of the technology we have today. becuase without hitler there would have been no cold war and technological events moving upwards in the chain of wars and discoveries.

If hitler hadnt declaired war on poland OR not have ever even been born the world would be an insanly different place.

Things like the amount of pollution that we have no wouldnt be nearly as much.
 

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trombone2007 said:
Hitler would probably have gone into the clegry, seeing as how he was catholic, and by now he'd probably be pope.
Ohh that could set off one helluva theory then we'd have had to back him

Also Popes are generally quite large, Hitler was a skinny fucker
 

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Chibz said:
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yay another pointless counterfactual history of WW2 topic, been a while saw one.
So I take it you're not a supporter of my nazis-riding-on-dinosaurs theory?
Im not a supporter of any what if the nazis didnt lose theories :)
Oh, be a sport. At least let hypothetical-Hitler have his dinosaur mounted army.

http://motivateurself.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/nazis-riding-dinosaurs.jpg
Or at least let him have zombies IF NOTHING ELSE.
 
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TopHatTim said:
OK before anyone says im with hitler NOOOO im not he was a terrible man.

BUT without him we wouldnt have alot of the technology we have today. becuase without hitler there would have been no cold war and technological events moving upwards in the chain of wars and discoveries.

If hitler hadnt declaired war on poland OR not have ever even been born the world would be an insanly different place.

Things like the amount of pollution that we have no wouldnt be nearly as much.
You're right,without ww2 we wouldnt of developed much of the technologies we have today,like the computer.
 

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Chibz said:
If Hitler had not declared war on Poland, he would've won. Then his lead scientists would clone dinosaurs from the fossils, and his army would ride around on said dinosaurs, striding the world as a colossus.

Just my take.
That's exactly what would happen! THIS MAN IS A GENIUS! *Applauds*
 

ElephantGuts

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Well considering that even a tiny little event has the potential to massively alter history, yes obviously Hitler not starting WW2 would drastically alter history.

But then again he could have easily just invaded the Netherlands first and we would have ended up with mostly the same war.
 

Archemetis

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Hitler would have given up and tried again at getting into Art School, being accepted this time round for being a grand dictator he went about the rest of his life, selling overpriced "art" to the masses who he forced to appreciate his works, thus becoming the worlds first and possibly worst version of Tracy Emin. (the woman who sold her bed after she pissed on it for £20million.)
 

karmapolizei

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Chibz said:
If Hitler had not declared war on Poland, he would've won. Then his lead scientists would clone dinosaurs from the fossils, and his army would ride around on said dinosaurs, striding the world as a colossus.

Just my take.
Yes, but by now, the Nazis would have long brought down. By a diabetic girl.

On a more serious note, the OP question is even more nonsensical than you might think. It's like saying "What if the Russian communists hadn't started seizing companies and land?". It's more or less what they started out to do - conquering countries to gain "living space", particularly in Eastern Europe.
 

Robert0288

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Also up until the invasion of Poland Hitler and Stalin were allies, so theoretically if Hitler hadn't invaded Poland then they would have remained allies
The invasion of poland solidified their alliance, as both russia and germany split poland down the middle. What broke the alliance was operation barbarosa when Germany invaded eastern russia, even though russia was still sending supplies to germany.
 
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Ok, I'll go at this from a hypothetical standpoint.

Given that the Herrenvolk idea is still in Hitler's head and his mental health is failing badly due to the cocktail of drugs he's taking, his policies would become far more insular.

Without the threat of war, the UK wouldn't have elected Churchill (Ho no no no!) and opted not to go to war to start with. The US had their own problems coming out of the depression, and would be pushing ahead with their war against the Japanese.

The Russian troops would see Germany's crippling financial status and start on their objective to crush Germany on their conquest of Europe. News of the new Krystallnacht would have reached the Polish through German informers and the Polish army would have called for the help of European allies.

Russia, hearing of this, would start pushing their army across the Steppes.

France and Spain would be too isolationist to help, but the other Eastern European countries with a high Jewish population would be pushed to helping. This in turn would anger the Muslim's who might believe they were trying to take a new Palestine.

As the Polish army strikes back at the heavily defended Germans, help would come in from the Arabians, probably in the form of oil for the German Tanks. At a similar time, the Russian Army would fall heavily from the same problem they used in the original World War 2, the Steppes crippling their supply train.

With Germany being hit from both sides, they'd naturally call for help and the only country in a position to help and to be welcomed by Germany would be the English, as Gladstone believed they could regain the Empire and Hitler always feared the English for the same reason.

England's dire offensive capabilities, crushed by the First World War, means that they could bring nothing to the fight, but the French would probably stay on the side of it's nearest neighbours by blocking routes in. Spain was still in the grip of it's own civil war.

With the help of the Arabians and the threat of the English, the Polish army would retreat, as would the exhausted Russians. The Arabians counter-offer would be to bring the Germany Army to attack Africa instead, which Hitler would be pleased as the fight could go on against the Africans instead of the Jewish.

America and Australia would cripple the Japanese without their ally and Hiroshima/Nagasaki wouldn't be needed, but the German/Arabic push into Africa would force the Allied Forces to bring in their troops to protect it.

Stripped of their greatest weapons and having to travel huge distances across hostile land, both the US and the UK would be pushed to breaking point, just as Hitler's new death camps in Egypt were put into production.

Without their great leaders, the Allies would have little chance of fighing Hitler's growing tyranny, but the man himself was on his last legs. Ordering a suicidal blitzkrieg from his forces, he destroys the Gulf and has all of his greatest scientists shot to preserve the workings of the Third Reich.

Peace comes back to the planet, and with no Swiss gold, the world is left in a massive depression.

Or that's how I see it. :)
 

IxionIndustries

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Then the U.S. would get in a war with the Chinese, and (Insert Fallout storyline here). Then, after the bombs fall, the nazi's would come in on giant zeppelins in power armor, and fight the Enclave with lazers.. o_O
 

bkdlsf89990

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What if Hitler didn't exist?

What if Stalin invaded China?

What if President Roosevelt died in 1930?

What if the bullet missed Archduke Franz Ferdinand?
 

KazOondo

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Germany would have slowly economically and scientifically stagnated had there been no war, unless a drastic reduction in the military budget occurred. He had every intention of going to war as soon as he could because he knew that in a few short years he would be outproduced by both the Allies and Soviets. For that reason Hitler was spending billions of inflationary marks in the late thirties and into the war. We give him so much credit for Germany's economic and military power, but it was almost all payed for by loans and fiat spending, which cannot stand the long term (unless the investments pay off). The Soviet Union might not have been very dynamic scientifically because of the regimentation it imposed, nor was their economy very efficient, but they made up for it with a hard currency bought selling huge quantities of raw materials to the rest of the world, with plenty to spare left over for their own heavy industry. Hitler knew that by 1944 the Soviets would be too strong to tackle no matter what, which was the main reason the war started when it did. The entente with Stalin was a sham from the very beginning.
 

gh0ti

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In my view, if Hitler hadn't invaded Poland, history would NOT be a huge deal different. The Anglo-French Polish guarantee was really the straw that broke the camel's back as regards a declaration of war. Hitler was an aggressive leader, who willingly used military force to expand his borders; there was only so long until he went too far and forced a declaration of war - if not because of Poland, then some other country he had designs on. Though he was desperate to avoid war with the British because of their naval strength, he held a huge grudge against France, whom he held responsible for crippling Germany after WW1.

You also have to factor in Japanese ambitions. Remember, Hitler declared war on the US in support of his Japanese allies when they attacked Pearl Harbour. Japan's wish to dominate the Pacific was inevitably going to bring them into conflict with the British and French Empires and later the US.

The other major player of course would be the USSR, but they were in no position to be belligerent in foreign affairs given Stalin's purging of the army. It wasn't until 1942 that the Russians were able to put together a serious defence to withstand the Germans, and even then they were reliant on weather conditions. There is no way, in my view, that the USSR would be fit to start a war with the western powers before Hitler's ambitions drove him into conflict with Britain and France.

This is the problem for me with counterfactual questions that focus on Poland - it was too late in the day. More interesting ones revolve around what the world would be like if Hitler never came to power, or was opposed when he remilitarised the Rhineland/anschluss with Austria/invaded Czechoslovakia.

Oh and just a minor edit:

"Without the threat of war, the UK wouldn't have elected Churchill (Ho no no no!) and opted not to go to war to start with. The US had their own problems coming out of the depression, and would be pushing ahead with their war against the Japanese."

Churchill wasn't elected, he was chosen by the incumbent PM, Chamberlain, as successor. The war had already been going on for six months.