what is the best assault rifle?

[matrix3509]

Seriously people? AK-47? In this case, cheap does not equal good. Has anyone here ever even fired a 47? The accuracy is absolutely atrocious. Definitely not something I would want my life to depend on. Yeah, it never jams, but thats because the tolerances between the piston and the barrel are so ridiculously big that you'd have to stick a cow in the damn thing before it jams. Sorry, but I'd like to be able to actually hit what I aim at, rather than just spray and pray.

 

[Echelon_3]

Has anyone here ever even fired a 47? The accuracy is absolutely atrocious. Definitely not something I would want my life to depend on. Yeah, it never jams, but thats because the tolerances between the piston and the barrel are so ridiculously big that you'd have to stick a cow in the damn thing before it jams. Sorry, but I'd like to be able to actually hit what I aim at, rather than just spray and pray.

Something I am curious about is, how much of the AK's horrid accuracy, and of its fabled reliability, are due to either its sloppy manufacturing tolerances or to its inherent design?

 

[tsb247]

Beyond a doubt, the M-16 is a piece of shit.
Anyone with weapons experience will tell you that it's a pain in the ass to take apart and reconstruct, it's innacurate and very unreliable.

Ummm... I'm going to have to go ahead and stop you there. The M-16 is FAR from a piece of shit. There are a LOT of people who aren't breathing anymore because of that little black rifle. There's a reason it is still seeing HEAVY use today.

The M-16 is NOT inaccurate in any way, shape, or form. The 5.56x45mm round has proven itself to be a more than accurate round time and again, and the M-16 has also proven very efficient at delivering it. In fact, the 5.56x45mm round has FAR better terminal performance at range than the 7.62x39. The 5.56x45mm round may lack the stopping power of the 7.62x39, but it is a faster round with better ballistics. The only thing that the 5.56x45mm round lacks is the kinetic energy due to it's smaller size. This makes it a little less capable of penetrating heavily armored targets, but with the right kind of bullet, the 5.56x45mm round can still penetrate just about any normal, reasonable, object it will encounter (light wood, drywall, soft body armors, some hard body armors, and many other materials.).

I've never found mine (it's an AR-15, but they are fundamentally the same) to be a pain in the ass to take apart either. It is easy to take apart, and the only real pain can be the bolt carrier, but even that is no big deal. The only reason you would ever want to take that apart anyhow would be to scrape the carbon off of it. As far as the rest of the weapon is concerned, it is a breeze to disassemble and reassemble. No tools are required, and there are very few small parts, no springs, and there are only two pins that hold the upper and lower recievers together.

I have also not had any problem with my AR-15 jamming. As long as you take care of it, it will work. I have fired THOUSANDS of rounds through my rifle, and I have yet to encounter a malfunction. The only reason I can think of that it would jam would be if someone flat-out did not clean it - ever. As long as you keep the carbon out of the bolt-carrier and keep a little Break Free in it, it will work whenever you ask it to.

 

[US Crash Fire]

Americans, we're like Nazis we kill the weak too.

you shouldnt post anymore.
its shit like thats that people need to remember when they wonder why our country has such a bad reputation!
even if your joking all it takes is for this to be seen by someone who thinks your serious.

dude, shut up, its true. every single day the US Army battles Taliban, who are much poorer armed, much worse defended and less supported. it is true. the US Army are killing the weak.

so before you go ape-shit over the complete truth, try to learn your history lessons. America DIDNT, i repeat, DIDNT win the war against Germany, it was because of a pissed-off russia.

and?
i have yet to see your fucking point!
yes the taliban is less funded and less equiped to fight. but that doesnt make them the fucking good guys! they wanted to harbor terorist training camps, they can deal with the consequences.
and who the fuck said anything about germany?!
no shit that the russians gave more in that war just look at the death toll!
not to mention that they were fighting the germans years before we arived.
so yes i agree with both of your points!
what the fuck were you trying to prove?
what pissed me off about his comment was comparing honorable american soldiers to a bunch of genocidal monsters like the nazis.
so kindly fuck off and report back when you have something useful to say.

 

[Motti]

Realistically, I'd want an F88 Austeyr, because it's the only assault weapon I've actually been trained to use (though I understand the AK-47 is quite simple to operate. For sheer badassery though, I'd like an StG44. The StG did it before it was cool.

My uncle is also trained to use an Austeyr. He was in some armoury or other when he picked up an AK-47 for the first time, loaded it, checked the mechanism and field stripped it. Nobody told him how, it's just the AK is one of the most user-friendly assault rifles.

I'd go with an F88 AusSTEYR (caps for eletism) because it's compact, accurate and fairly reliable from what I've seen.

 

[TornadoADV]

The AK and M where designed to fullfill different roles as percieved by their respective countries of origin's war doctrine concerning Infantry. The AK was designed as little more then a club that happens to shoot bullets in the general direction of the enemy while allowing some conscript to shoot it with hardly any training before he was inevitably killed and the rifle handed to the next scrub. The M was designed for a well trained and equipped infantry force to effectively engage targets at range with rounds that hit well above their weight because they tumble and fracture inside soft tissue, causing horrible internal wounds.

I would take my M-16A4 over a AK-74M anyday. If I had preference, I'd prefer a SCAR-H Battle Rifle with optional LB (Long Barrel) in my pack if I needed to take care of DSM (Designated Marksman) duties.

In fact, the 5.56x45mm round has FAR better terminal performance at range than the 7.62x39. The 5.56x45mm round may lack the stopping power of the 7.62x39, but it is a faster round with better ballistics. The only thing that the 5.56x45mm round lacks is the kinetic energy due to it's smaller size. This makes it a little less capable of penetrating heavily armored targets, but with the right kind of bullet, the 5.56x45mm round can still penetrate just about any normal, reasonable, object it will encounter (light wood, drywall, soft body armors, some hard body armors, and many other materials.).

5.56mm FMJ can defeat any body armor up to Level IIIa, it can also go through cinder block, concrete, among other things. It can also defeat Level IV and above with accurate follow-up shots to the same area of impacted plate. Though using Steel Core AP muntions removes the need of the Infantryman to expose himself for this and can simply defeat such plates on the first shot.

 

[halofox117]

the ak-47 if im going behind enemy lines the m-16a2 if im based somewhere

 

[aussiesniper]

I know acouple of guys in the army, In spec ops stuff. Like 3RAR, its Australian Version of Delta Force. Anyway, they all agree that in a fire fight, the only thing they want is an M16 (nominally A2 but also M4's for water stuff) because although the round is the 5.56x45mm NATO round of the Styer AUG (Australian Military Rifle), the Styer only has a good 300m (more if sight is custom) where as the M16 is 550-600m standard. Also there is more powder in the 45mm cartride than the 7.62x39mm in an AK-47. 6mm extra may not seem much but it incrases the volume very largly. Also AK-47's just spray lead with little accuracy. As for H&K G36, it has a shorter barrel, making it less accurate. All up I'd put my money on M16's anyday.

Uh... I'm not so sure that they were spec ops guys. Barrel length and powder quantity are the defining factors when it comes to range and accuracy, and the AUG is equal to the M16A2 and M16A4 in both. Besides that, it also comes with a 2x scope by default. The AUG is, however, sighted for 300 metres (i.e. shots will be dead centre in the scope at 300 metres), whereas the M16 can change sighting distance.

Anyway, I don't think that the best assault rifle is the AUG, or at least not the A1 version. When it comes down to it, it depends on what you want in the rifle.

If accuracy is going to be the deciding factor, go with the L85A2 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L85].

If it's reliabilty, the AKM-74 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK74] or AKM-47 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AK47] are the best bet (they can still jam, just not under conditions that a sane person would put them through).

If it's versatility, go with the Steyr AUG A3 [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steyr_AUG_A3#Variants] (This gun can be a plain assault rifle, 9x19mm SMG, Marksman's rifle, LMG or Automatic Carbine).

EDIT: Just to clarify, the AUG has equal range but a fixed sighting distance.

 

[tsb247]

5.56mm FMJ can defeat any body armor up to Level IIIa, it can also go through cinder block, concrete, among other things. It can also defeat Level IV and above with accurate follow-up shots to the same area of impacted plate. Though using Steel Core AP muntions removes the need of the Infantryman to expose himself for this and can simply defeat such plates on the first shot.

Thank you!

The 5.56mm is a mean little round that doesn't seem to get the respect it deserves. I never really got to play with a hard target, so I am not familure with the 5.56x45's penetrating capability. My targets usually consist of paper silhouettes and prairie dogs. I was just trying to set some facts straight with Stalk3rchief. He seems to be a little... Wrong when it comes to the M-16.

 

[Stalk3rchief]

Beyond a doubt, the M-16 is a piece of shit.
Anyone with weapons experience will tell you that it's a pain in the ass to take apart and reconstruct, it's innacurate and very unreliable.

Ummm... I'm going to have to go ahead and stop you there. The M-16 is FAR from a piece of shit. There are a LOT of people who aren't breathing anymore because of that little black rifle. There's a reason it is still seeing HEAVY use today.

The M-16 is NOT inaccurate in any way, shape, or form. The 5.56x45mm round has proven itself to be a more than accurate round time and again, and the M-16 has also proven very efficient at delivering it. In fact, the 5.56x45mm round has FAR better terminal performance at range than the 7.62x39. The 5.56x45mm round may lack the stopping power of the 7.62x39, but it is a faster round with better ballistics. The only thing that the 5.56x45mm round lacks is the kinetic energy due to it's smaller size. This makes it a little less capable of penetrating heavily armored targets, but with the right kind of bullet, the 5.56x45mm round can still penetrate just about any normal, reasonable, object it will encounter (light wood, drywall, soft body armors, some hard body armors, and many other materials.).

I've never found mine (it's an AR-15, but they are fundamentally the same) to be a pain in the ass to take apart either. It is easy to take apart, and the only real pain can be the bolt carrier, but even that is no big deal. The only reason you would ever want to take that apart anyhow would be to scrape the carbon off of it. As far as the rest of the weapon is concerned, it is a breeze to disassemble and reassemble. No tools are required, and there are very few small parts, no springs, and there are only two pins that hold the upper and lower recievers together.

I have also not had any problem with my AR-15 jamming. As long as you take care of it, it will work. I have fired THOUSANDS of rounds through my rifle, and I have yet to encounter a malfunction. The only reason I can think of that it would jam would be if someone flat-out did not clean it - ever. As long as you keep the carbon out of the bolt-carrier and keep a little Break Free in it, it will work whenever you ask it to.

That's all fine and dandy, but it doesn't excuse the fact that it's a pain in the ass to take apart and reconstruct, and that it has 0 stopping power.
Yeah it's still used today, but only because it's cost effective.
There are at least 10 assault rifles that beat it in every single way, but they're more expensive. I have 2 friends that are in the military, one's a simple lieutenant, the others an MP. BOTH of them have told me how unreliable the M-16 is on the field.
It's accurate, but even they have told me that's it's only advantage.
ONLY advantage.
The weapon was not designed to kill, it was only meant to immobilize any threat.
For some reason it's viewed as "More Humane"
In basic, when one is required to take the M-16 apart and put it back together, they BOTH told me it has too many parts.
I think I'll take the word of two trained soldiers over yours.

 

[Vrex360]

The Tommy Gun... that thing is ICONIC.

 

[Pacman_69_42]

ak 47 u can drag it through mud ditch it in a river walk with it in a sand storm and it will still work whats not to love about that

 

[Sgt Doom]

Am I the only one who feels like strangling people for some of the truly ignorant posts here?

 

[Ninonybox_v1legacy]

There are no good assault rifles. They're all built to hurt or kill people, and that is not my definition of "good".

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[Stalk3rchief]

Seriously people? AK-47? In this case, cheap does not equal good. Has anyone here ever even fired a 47? The accuracy is absolutely atrocious. Definitely not something I would want my life to depend on. Yeah, it never jams, but thats because the tolerances between the piston and the barrel are so ridiculously big that you'd have to stick a cow in the damn thing before it jams. Sorry, but I'd like to be able to actually hit what I aim at, rather than just spray and pray.

That's why you fire in bursts you damn civvy. Everyone knows the AK is innacurate, that's why you never go full auto. Ever.
I have fired a 47, and I did pretty fucking good.
Maybe you have girl arms?

 

[Klepa]

I've only ever fired one, and that's the RK-95, known as M95 to some. Pretty much an enhanced version of the AK-47, without the silly wooden bits, and with some new things added to it, better sights, folding stock, different firing mode selector.. minor details really. Something a real gunman could probably value a lot more than I could.

I don't know a lot about guns, probably as much as the next nerd who thinks that CS and CoD4 are simulators, but I had no trouble hitting 12 out of 12 targets with it, and neither did a lot of other guys, so it wasn't absolutely ghastly in that respect. Firing short bursts wasn't extremely hard, aslong as you maintained the right position and breathing technique. Positioning yourself really came into play a lot more than I thought it would..

I can't recall anyone ever managing to jam their gun, so I guess that's good too.
They did sometimes freeze though, when people would aim down the sights and breath on the gun extensively. Then again, a lot of things freeze when it's cold. When they froze, we used to beat the shit out of the guns, until the ice broke off, and they would work just fine again.
So it was quite reliable, and could take a fair heap of damage.

Any normal private fella was supposed to be able to field strip it, and reassemble it in under 30 seconds. I don't know if that's fast compared to other weapons, but with a bit of practice, 30 seconds was attainable, assuming your gun wasn't rusted shut..

Folding stock was fun. Made the gun more compact when you didn't need it. Also an honorable mention to the cocking handle, left handed reloading was fast as lightning.

I guess that's about it.

edit: somehow missed that fellow assembling and reassembling in 18 seconds. Pretty good. Not a very complex gun, which I guess is no surprise, as it was created by a bunch of vodka chugging knuckle draggers, and then improved by a different bunch of vodka chugging knuckle draggers.

 

[WrathVerge]

Hk417 or T.A.R. AK47 just drops off the list due to poor accuracy. (But you can bet your ass on the fact that it'll never break )

 

[bradley348]

G3, FNC or M4 at a push really.
i don't like the Ak 47 because its in accurate, but the cal. is insane and the reliablity is amazing

I see the counter-strikers have arrived