What is with all the disrespect for western animation?
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Anime is just so much more ambitious than anything in the West. Can you imagine Disney or Dreamworks greenlighting an animated Lord of the Rings in weekly half-hour installments? Or Watchmen? We have a Redwall cartoon, but where's Maus? The appeal is that these unthinkable dream projects actually happen in Japan.
There's a willingness to reach for the stars over there that has been almost completely lacking in Western studios. There are a very animated movies, such as Don Bluth's early works, that have attempted deeper story lines, but they are almost forgotten.
There's a willingness to reach for the stars over there that has been almost completely lacking in Western studios. There are a very animated movies, such as Don Bluth's early works, that have attempted deeper story lines, but they are almost forgotten.
You haven't seen Ralph Bakshi's Lord of the Rings have you? Its an interesting film to watch.Veylon said:
I'm not sure.
Samurai Jack
Dexter's Laboratory
Powerpuff Girls
Avatar: The Last Airbender
Teen Titans
Cowboy Bebop
Gunslinger Girl
Wolf's Rain
Fullmetal Alchemist
Full Metal Panic!
Romeo x Juliet
Those are some American and Japanese animation series that I like. Perhaps it's because they all have/had arching storylines, with the possible exceptions of PPG and Dexter's Lab. The other thing I like is when it's combined with episodic storytelling. Cowboy Bebop is a fantastic example, as I can sit down and watch almost any episode without having to "start the series over", but I can tell that the characters have things like pasts and dynamic relationships with one another.
I think a main difference, then, is that most Japanese series that I've seen are designed to come to an end. There is a story to be told, and it gets told. Most American series, it seems to me, are designed to keep going and going as long as they possibly can. The Simpsons, Futurama, Family Guy, most of the stuff on Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon, they keep going, but they don't actually go anywhere.
Samurai Jack
Dexter's Laboratory
Powerpuff Girls
Avatar: The Last Airbender
Teen Titans
Cowboy Bebop
Gunslinger Girl
Wolf's Rain
Fullmetal Alchemist
Full Metal Panic!
Romeo x Juliet
Those are some American and Japanese animation series that I like. Perhaps it's because they all have/had arching storylines, with the possible exceptions of PPG and Dexter's Lab. The other thing I like is when it's combined with episodic storytelling. Cowboy Bebop is a fantastic example, as I can sit down and watch almost any episode without having to "start the series over", but I can tell that the characters have things like pasts and dynamic relationships with one another.
I think a main difference, then, is that most Japanese series that I've seen are designed to come to an end. There is a story to be told, and it gets told. Most American series, it seems to me, are designed to keep going and going as long as they possibly can. The Simpsons, Futurama, Family Guy, most of the stuff on Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon, they keep going, but they don't actually go anywhere.
I have. It's got many problems in script, effects, and animation. Heck, it wasn't even finished. But it does demonstrate (if it needed demonstrating) that an animated film can bear a serious story. Another film of his to look up is Wizards. That was my (and family's) first exposure to a dark and serious animated movie back in my pre-teen years.Soviet Heavy said:
Newsflash: for the most part, in Japan, not even anime has escaped the Age Ghetto. The vast majority of anime you think are for "adults", as in over 18, are for teens. As in, junior high/high school. If it is in fact for adults, it will be even less well-known to the average Japanese person than Family Guy or South Park in the US. In subject matter, sure, there may be a greater amount of "mature" themes dealt with, but in terms of target audience and popularity in Japan, it may have an even more vast ghetto to break out of than in the West. Prime-time programming here is either news, variety shows (mostly about food or celebrity gossip), dramas, or the occasional sports event. Prime-time animation is pretty much only on Sundays, featuring Doraemon, Shin-chan, Chibi Maruko-chan, and Sazae-san, all of them family-oriented. Face it, weeaboos. Adult anime is obscure, even in its homeland.
But I am still a fan of both, even if I have been watching a lot less anime in the past year or so. I will still enjoy it even if I don't feel comfortable talking about it "at the water cooler", so to speak. As long as it's nothing (legally/morally) bad, just enjoy what you enjoy and don't let anyone stop you.
But I am still a fan of both, even if I have been watching a lot less anime in the past year or so. I will still enjoy it even if I don't feel comfortable talking about it "at the water cooler", so to speak. As long as it's nothing (legally/morally) bad, just enjoy what you enjoy and don't let anyone stop you.
There's 2 reasons to me:
1. Is that people feel that since they grew up with western style and then moved to eastern, they have "outgrown" western and subsequently look at it as childish.
2. 99% of Cartoons suck, and 99% of Anime sucks(also both are drawn by Koreans). So anime that makes it over here has already passed some sort of barrier that meant it was good enough for someone to at the very least subtitle.
Also whatever I like is automatically better and for smarter people that the stuff I don't like.
1. Is that people feel that since they grew up with western style and then moved to eastern, they have "outgrown" western and subsequently look at it as childish.
2. 99% of Cartoons suck, and 99% of Anime sucks(also both are drawn by Koreans). So anime that makes it over here has already passed some sort of barrier that meant it was good enough for someone to at the very least subtitle.
Also whatever I like is automatically better and for smarter people that the stuff I don't like.