What is your opinion on the Death Penalty and why?

[SonicWaffle]

The more depressing thing is how people complain about the lack of original threads but every week i see good original threads get buried within a couple of hours.Sigh

Probably because of all the people who comment on the unoriginal ones to say "What, this again?"

I feel this would make a lot of criminals think twice before they do commit crime.

It baffles me that people still use this argument. "Oh yeah, the death penalty - people are way less likely to commit a crime if they know they might die!" is, as evidenced by countries that actually have capital punishment, bullshit. Even in places barbaric enough to kill prisoners, there are still huge levels of crime, because people who are going to commit a crime are rarely dissauded by the idea of punishment. If you hate someone so much that you've decided that the only recourse is to murder them (putting aside numerous crimes of passion in which rational thought would not be involved) then are you really going to worry about the death penalty? Of course not.

Plus, there's the fact that the death penalty is actually an unworthy punishment for serious crimes. Ask yourself what's worse; dying and ceasing to exist, or spending the rest of your life bored and lonely, rotting in a jail cell in solitary until the day you die. Fuck, jail dissuades me from crime far better than the thought of execution does.

 

[Legendary Alucard]

I personally have mixed feelings about it, I dont think we should Execute Small Offenders, But i do think we should take care of those who got Caught with child Rape and call in the old firing squad.. So what is your opninion?

Define 'small offenders', as in midgets/little people?

Anyway, we don't have it here, and I like to keep it that way. What gives one person the right to determine whether a person's actions are deemed harsh enough to warrant death? Someone kills a dozen people, they will get what they deserve.

Keep that 9/11 stuff at home ok, I dont want that here on the Forum, Becaus B4 you know it i have 50-60 ppl talkin about 9/11 Conspiracy -_- DOnt whant that.. And i think its 90% Dum R*dneck Horse Crap...

 

[Hosker]

Using capitals in strange places there.
Anyway, I do support it. Instead of a life sentence they should just be put down. Makes room in the prisons and money doesn't have to be spent feeding them etc...

 

[Vault101]

I honestly don't know though I remember the movie Dead man walking which made me think about it but them film dosn't really take a side

 

[Spygon]

The more depressing thing is how people complain about the lack of original threads but every week i see good original threads get buried within a couple of hours.Sigh

Probably because of all the people who comment on the unoriginal ones to say "What, this again?"

Haha you proberly.Right stop posting on unoriginal thread everybody or maybe post more on original threads.

I feel this would make a lot of criminals think twice before they do commit crime.

It baffles me that people still use this argument. "Oh yeah, the death penalty - people are way less likely to commit a crime if they know they might die!" is, as evidenced by countries that actually have capital punishment, bullshit. Even in places barbaric enough to kill prisoners, there are still huge levels of crime, because people who are going to commit a crime are rarely dissauded by the idea of punishment. If you hate someone so much that you've decided that the only recourse is to murder them (putting aside numerous crimes of passion in which rational thought would not be involved) then are you really going to worry about the death penalty? Of course not.

Plus, there's the fact that the death penalty is actually an unworthy punishment for serious crimes. Ask yourself what's worse; dying and ceasing to exist, or spending the rest of your life bored and lonely, rotting in a jail cell in solitary until the day you die. Fuck, jail dissuades me from crime far better than the thought of execution does.

The reason people still do these crimes in these places is it either being killed by the government or watching yourself and family starve to death.Or because the law over there is a joke who are either totally corrupt or so scared of the gangs that they dont get involved.

I would rather be bored and lonely than dead.Actually i would do everything in my power to stay alive but that is just me.

 

[Superior Mind]

It's a tricky one that's for sure. I'm of two minds about it still but I lean more towards not having it. Simply put I see it as causing more harm than good. I mean there's always that niggling doubt that "yesh, there are people in this world who deserve to be taken out of it" but I don't think that state-sanctioned excecutions is the way to go. It's messy, it's drawn out, it does harm to victims, (while the justice system in, for example, the US is knowingly unconcerned about the victim in such cases,) and the families of the condemned.

People often say "only in really bad cases, like child rape". While I'm certainly not saying that the rape of a child is a minor offense I see the death penalty for such cases as going too far due to a number of reasons. Firstly evidence in these cases often relies on the evidence of children which is unreliable and leads and has led to innocent people being wrongly convicted. A minor concern as it stands but if the death penalty were applicable in these cases? Also applying he death penalty for these cases may do more harm to a victim in cases where the offender is a family member. Uncle Harold may have been a creepy pervert but no child deserves having the death of a family member on their conscience - never mind that any child knowing that the death penalty is applicable in such cases would neglect to report offences.

This as well as the massive problem of wrongful convictions and the inhumanity of it all paints the death penalty as a big negative to me. Even if a person commits a crime that is so bad that they forfeit their life the death penalty still seems too cuel. The drawn out nature of it, the appeals upon appeals, the fact that the victim isn't allowed to move on for years, the fact that it has been proven not to work as a deterrant... it's a fucking mess.

 

[Legendary Alucard]

I personally have mixed feelings about it, I dont think we should Execute Small Offenders, But i do think we should take care of those who got Caught with child Rape and call in the old firing squad.. So what is your opninion?

Define 'small offenders', as in midgets/little people?

Anyway, we don't have it here, and I like to keep it that way. What gives one person the right to determine whether a person's actions are deemed harsh enough to warrant death? Someone kills a dozen people, they will get what they deserve.

Keep that 9/11 stuff at home ok, I dont want that here on the Forum, Becaus B4 you know it i have 50-60 ppl talkin about 9/11 Conspiracy -_- DOnt whant that.. And i think its 90% Dum R*dneck Horse Crap...

I'm sorry, what part of my post constitutes a conspiracy of any form?

How about you don't insult ME with those kind of accusations.

He, Just saying.. If you get offended by it.. its your problem.. Im just saying i dont want that stuff on the Forum.. If you cant deal with it.. Stay of the forums ok, Its the Internet...

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

I support the Death Penalty
However, I don't think the Death Penalty should stretch to those who have small-time offences (Drink-Driving, Shoplifting, etc.) but for those who have jail sentences of over 10 years/life sentences then we should have the Death Penalty to kill them so that Countries don't have to spend alot of money feeding them and keeping them alive for their crimes.

 

[Legendary Alucard]

It's a tricky one that's for sure.

You can say that again, Im doing this for school (here in holland we dont have the Death Penalty) we used to had it back in the Old days.

 

[KiLl_RoY]

It´s good. It takes one person away from earth. that including all the food he is going to eat, all the water he is going to waste and all the other valuable resources that he is going to waste, and does he deserve it?
I mean, would you spend money and time on someone that is going to waste both?
Not my case.

 

[SonicWaffle]

The reason people still do these crimes in these places is it either being killed by the government or watching yourself and family starve to death.Or because the law over there is a joke who are either totally corrupt or so scared of the gangs that they dont get involved.

Well, AFAIK the USA still has the death penalty in some states. I wonder how many murders, robberies, rapes and so on happened in those states in the last ten years? People do these crimes for a variety of reasons, and I doubt many of them are dissuaded from their course of action by the possibility of an eventual execution (after god knows how many years of beuaracratic red tape to go through)

I would rather be bored and lonely than dead.Actually i would do everything in my power to stay alive but that is just me.

Really? Think about it. You die, and there's nothing (probably). Your consciousness evaporates into the ether. Maybe you're reborn in a new body with no memory of the crimes you committed. On the other hand, you spend 60 years rotting in a jail cell. Bad food, no sex, no conversation, never walking through the park again or eating a Subway or going out to bars. Being in jail is like being dead, with the added disadvantage that you're alive to know how much it sucks.

Keep that 9/11 stuff at home ok, I dont want that here on the Forum, Becaus B4 you know it i have 50-60 ppl talkin about 9/11 Conspiracy -_- DOnt whant that.. And i think its 90% Dum R*dneck Horse Crap...

WTF are you talking about, man? Nobody mentioned 9/11 or conspiracies...

 

[Legendary Alucard]

A terrorist, Mas Selamat, was caught planning a plane hijack-and-ram-into-building-like-9/11 thing. He escaped the death sentence, and broke out of prison soon after. It took a YEAR to hunt him down, a year which he could easily have carried out his plan.

I'll bet you, if he did manage to carry it out, people will be yelling at how he wasn't given the death penalty.

WTF are you talking about, man? Nobody mentioned 9/11 or conspiracies...

Thats wha im talkin about

 

[SonicWaffle]

A terrorist, Mas Selamat, was caught planning a plane hijack-and-ram-into-building-like-9/11 thing. He escaped the death sentence, and broke out of prison soon after. It took a YEAR to hunt him down, a year which he could easily have carried out his plan.

I'll bet you, if he did manage to carry it out, people will be yelling at how he wasn't given the death penalty.

WTF are you talking about, man? Nobody mentioned 9/11 or conspiracies...

Thats wha im talkin about

A) You replied to [user]kman123[/user] while that post was made by [user]SomeLameStuff[/user], which is what's partially causing the confusion.

B) The post [user]SomeLameStuff[/user] made had nothing to do with 9/11 or conspiracies. He pointed out that a terrorist who had planned a similar attack escaped the death sentence and then broke out of prison. It was relevant to the thread, not a "The Jews did 9/11 OMG!!1!" conspiracy theory.

 

[Spygon]

The reason people still do these crimes in these places is it either being killed by the government or watching yourself and family starve to death.Or because the law over there is a joke who are either totally corrupt or so scared of the gangs that they dont get involved.

Well, AFAIK the USA still has the death penalty in some states. I wonder how many murders, robberies, rapes and so on happened in those states in the last ten years? People do these crimes for a variety of reasons, and I doubt many of them are dissuaded from their course of action by the possibility of an eventual execution (after god knows how many years of beuaracratic red tape to go through).

I know you will always get people that are crazy and just kill for the sake of it but wouldn't it better if they were dead so they can never do it again and so the family and friends do not have to fear that he will be let out or escape.Also due to it taking forever to be excuted that most criminals just spend there lifes in person so it is not really a threat.

I would rather be bored and lonely than dead.Actually i would do everything in my power to stay alive but that is just me.

Really? Think about it. You die, and there's nothing (probably). Your consciousness evaporates into the ether. Maybe you're reborn in a new body with no memory of the crimes you committed. On the other hand, you spend 60 years rotting in a jail cell. Bad food, no sex, no conversation, never walking through the park again or eating a Subway or going out to bars. Being in jail is like being dead, with the added disadvantage that you're alive to know how much it sucks.

I have i will not go into too much detail but i have been at a point where i was in a situation where it was 50/50 if i lived or died and it was the scariest time of my life.Think about it you die and your gone there is nothing No dreams,no thoughts and no memories you just don't exist anymore.Think of everthing all the people you have known and met.All of the book and films you have enjoyed it is all swept away when your dead.The only thing left is obilivion and you won't even know obilivion as your be dead.Also if you of any faith and you have murdered your normally expecting to go to your faiths version of hell.So i know which one i would rather be.

 

[MagicMouse]

For higher crimes and repeat offenders, I don't believe in jail as a punishment. I just want criminals to be taken out of our society so that they can do no more harm. I don't care that they suffer in jail, that shit's expensive. Just shoot them in the head and be done with it.

 

[procyonlotor]

I encourage all of you to look up an essay by Italian philosopher Norberto Bobbio called Against the Death Penalty. (For those of you who speak Italian: http://win.agliincrocideiventi.it/Anno4/Agosto2006/contro_la_pena_di_morte.htm)

For my part, I will say that I am horrified by the idea that the state is willing to force death upon one of its own, transgressor or no. The state guarantees security. It is grievous when that security fails in the first place, but it is another thing entirely when the system itself is willing to employ time and resources to end another human being's life. In a sense, it is society doing harm against itself when harm has already been done. It is also, in another sense, genocide on the personal level, which is altogether different than legalized murder because the latter implies justification, whereas genocide lays bare the horror of the act.

 

[SonicWaffle]

I have i will not go into too much detail but i have been at a point where i was in a situation where it was 50/50 if i lived or died and it was the scariest time of my life.Think about it you die and your gone there is nothing No dreams,no thoughts and no memories you just don't exist anymore.Think of everthing all the people you have known and met.All of the book and films you have enjoyed it is all swept away when your dead.The only thing left is obilivion and you won't even know obilivion as your be dead.Also if you of any faith and you have murdered your normally expecting to go to your faiths version of hell.So i know which one i would rather be.

The situations are not really comparable. By virtue of the fact you're posting on a video games forum, I'm guessing you're a fairly young (ie pre middle-age) person, which means you still (hopefully!) have a lot of life left in you. That's a lot of stuff to look forward to. I'm 23, and if I were in a situation where it was 50/50 whether I lived or died you bet your ass I'd be scared too.

However, in this scenario you have nothing to look forward to except many, many years of boredom and not seeing your loved on. Memories are all you'll have. In that case, where it was a choice between oblivion and many years of torturous boredom, don't you think you'd look at things differently?

 

[Legendary Alucard]

A terrorist, Mas Selamat, was caught planning a plane hijack-and-ram-into-building-like-9/11 thing. He escaped the death sentence, and broke out of prison soon after. It took a YEAR to hunt him down, a year which he could easily have carried out his plan.

I'll bet you, if he did manage to carry it out, people will be yelling at how he wasn't given the death penalty.

WTF are you talking about, man? Nobody mentioned 9/11 or conspiracies...

Thats wha im talkin about

A) You replied to [user]kman123[/user] while that post was made by [user]SomeLameStuff[/user], which is what's partially causing the confusion.

B) The post [user]SomeLameStuff[/user] made had nothing to do with 9/11 or conspiracies. He pointed out that a terrorist who had planned a similar attack escaped the death sentence and then broke out of prison. It was relevant to the thread, not a "The Jews did 9/11 OMG!!1!" conspiracy theory.

Thanx for Lowering the Conversation.. And he did mention 9/11 now did he Im just saying that ppl (like you) Are makin a big deal out of 3 numbers.. Just said i dident want that here -_- Plz Go play some Xbox.. or wha ever you 10 year olds do.. Just trying To get some studie points here.. By asking some ppl there opinion..

 

[The Rockerfly]

I like the Chinese approach to it

Load a gun
Shoot the offender between the eyes
Make the family pay for the bullet

Beautiful