Perfectly is a little presumptuous don't you think? More like "super perfect, aka Ultra KEEN."Double A said:Valve still updates TF2. :\Hiphophippo said:I think you just lost me.Double A said:I think you fail to realize that MW2 is an unbalanced as a ball of shit. In fact, it is a ball of shit.
I find your lack of correct grammar disturbing.Hiphophippo said:Team Fortress 2 does this right.
Team Fortress 2 does everything right.
Also, you needed to replace "right" with "perfectly."
one picture doesn't mean that its the standard worldwide, nor are "character models" necessarily accurate. Do you see character models running around with a bulky RPG on their back?dathwampeer said:O RLY?RadiusXd said:imagine a knife holster on the right side of your abdomen, just before your hips, and with the opening facing in a upwards forwards diagonal direction.dathwampeer said:I think melee should go back to being the butt of the gun. And only be used to weaken or knock your opponent off their balance.
How the hell is someone going to be able to reach their knife>unbuckle it from it's holster>spin it around in their hands to face downwards>lunge at the guy 3 meters away> aim correctly to land a perfect stab in-between body armour, all in .5 seconds?
You should have to equip the knife before using it. Otherwise the melee should be the butt of the gun. And not be a one hit kill.
The melle in Halo was decent. A bit of an improvement on that should be good.
now imagine a knife in that holster, when you prepared for battle (undid the safety on your rifle etc) say you undid the clip and now a magnet is in the holster just powerful enough to keep your knife from bouncing out.
try to reach for this pretend knife (with your right hand) , its already facing the right way and there are no clips to undo.
And about the armor bit, who says the entire military wears body armor, or that you can't stab them neck or face, or that you can't stab right through their armor, its not like your fighting batman.
Edit: and just how do you pistol whip someone 3 meters away, i agree lunging is stupid.
Well common logic and the character models would suggest that the knife holster is actually on your left shoulder facing downwards. Meaning it would need to be buckled. making your entire post moot.
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The location of the knife changes according to the military force you're playing as and the get up and loadout of the character. At the very least a knife should not be a melee option for a heavy gunner or normal infantry. Maybe for someone carrying a sub machine gun or possibly a sniper.
Can you imagine trying to reach for a knife whilst holding a 40lb LMG in your other hand? Smashing someone with it would probably be more effective anyway.
In a cqc situation you would either just carry on shooting at close range or hit them with your gun. The only reason you would use a knife is if you were trying to take someone out quietly. Which would suggest you would have pulled the knife out before hand.
I agree, I took out a helecopter with my throwing knife, that is not a joke, it happened.snowman6251 said:My favorite thing about MW2 is that lightly tossing a knife into someone's foot is significantly more lethal than taking a bullet from a Barret 50. cal to the chest.
I think at this point we all realize what an imbalanced pile of hyped up disappointment MW2 has shaped up to be. but lets get past that, it's like saying that NFS Undercover sucked so all racing games have a fatal flaw.Banana Phone Man said:I agree, I took out a helecopter with my throwing knife, that is not a joke, it happened.snowman6251 said:My favorite thing about MW2 is that lightly tossing a knife into someone's foot is significantly more lethal than taking a bullet from a Barret 50. cal to the chest.
Nice catch... I was telling myself not to say "left click" and I even looked at my mouse and right clicked to remind myself what it felt like and I still typed it...pejhmon said:I think you will find that it is two right clicks, left clicks do something like 11 damage.
Aw dude you pwnt him right there.Although melee isn't that "powerful" in CS but i totally agree with your post.xRagnarok19 said:So a knife to the throat/heart/head shouldn't kill someone? Well I guess it goes with the idea of taking multiple bullets to the torso and being completely fine by hiding for five seconds.
I think melee is fine. People just move too fast in games (MW2), and the maps are too small (MW2), so you encounter melee ranges far too often.Sup I said:Hope you agree with me on how melee should work in the future.
Don't be so obtuse.dathwampeer said:Read shit properly before making assumptions.
dathwampeer said:RadiusXd said:dathwampeer said:O RLY?
Well common logic and the character models would suggest that the knife holster is actually on your left shoulder facing downwards. Meaning it would need to be buckled. making your entire post moot.
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The location of the knife changes according to the military force you're playing as and the get up and loadout of the character. At the very least a knife should not be a melee option for a heavy gunner or normal infantry. Maybe for someone carrying a sub machine gun or possibly a sniper.
Can you imagine trying to reach for a knife whilst holding a 40lb LMG in your other hand? Smashing someone with it would probably be more effective anyway.
In a cqc situation you would either just carry on shooting at close range or hit them with your gun. The only reason you would use a knife is if you were trying to take someone out quietly. Which would suggest you would have pulled the knife out before hand.
one picture doesn't mean that its the standard worldwide, nor are "character models" necessarily accurate. Do you see character models running around with a bulky RPG on their back?
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now seeing as that is with an old man wearing a suit, i would say a .5 second draw is feasible wouldn't you?
PS. note how it attaches to the belt, so you can configure it to anywhere on the belt.
EDITh, and realistically you dont carry around LMG's like that anyways.
The 'O RLY?' part of the post should probably have given away that I was being sarcastic. And you were supposed to pay attention to the rest of my comment. Which your last post didn't really counter. I even saidMy point (that I will re-iterate) is that if you are carrying a bulky, heavy gun. You are not going to hold it in one hand whilst your other hand reaches for and unbuckles your knife to stab your enemy. Especially when you could just smack them with the butt of said heavy gun and shoot them when they're off balance. It makes no sense and isn't military practice. The only time you use your knife is when you are stealthily trying to take people out. Which would suggest to any logical person that you would equip it.The location of the knife changes according to the military force you're playing as and the get up and loadout of the character.
In a heat of the moment do or die CQC situation you would just shoot at close range or bash with the gun. Not reach for a knife.
?EDITh, and realistically you dont carry around LMG's like that anyways.?
since when? Steyr AUG is Australia's default military rifle. Even though it's technically classed an assault rifle it's weight is comparable to something like an MG4 or a Bren.
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Meaning you would carry one around. You're thinking of a HMG.A light machine gun or LMG is a machine gun designed to be employed by an individual soldier, with or without an assistant, and as a front-line infantry support. LMGs are often used as squad automatic weapons.
Read shit properly before making assumptions.
I have a peaceful compromise for our situation.....dathwampeer said:Before we continue we need to clear shit up.RadiusXd said:sorry, i figured if smg was small machine gun, then lmg would be large machine gun.
is that so crazy?
as for your being sarcastic, I thought that "O RLY?" was you being retarded and obnoxious, and I apologise.
But, if you will read that quote you just posted, although it says it can be employed by an individual, so can a mini-gun, that doesn't mean that you can hold it and fire standing up like a terminator!
Infantry support it says, infantry support, not infantry! a solder with a carbine and two grenades can be considered infantry, a lone tank can be considered infantry support, that doesn't make it infantry.
you have to set up LMG's on a tripod because of their weight and recoil!
and if i ran out of bullets and/or saw a guy coming up behind me i would prefer to drop the gun and use my knife rather than try and turn around or swing with that slow easily avoidable great mass attached to me.
wouldn't you?
PS. and that video i gave you shows you don't HAVE to buckle your knife up, thus rendering your "what about the time it takes to pull a taaaaaab?!" argument moot.
and BTW there are multiple acceptable ways to hold a combat knife, and the MW slash stance is just one.
SMG is sub machine gun. A short barrelled fully auto weapon that usually fires 9mm rounds. It's usually the weapon of preference for special forces because it's light and can accurately be fire from the hip.
An LMG is a light machine gun. A smaller version of a HMG, Heavy machine gun. LMG's are used as infantry support because they are good for suppressive fire in that you can keep an enemy hidden behind cover for long periods of time without having to re-load. Not because they're too heavy for one person to carry. They aren't that much heavier than some assault rifles and can sometimes just be assault rifle frames with enhanced clip capacity. Like the AUG. And you can set them up on tripods. You don't have to. They can be fired just like assault rifles.
And no. I was just being flippant.
OT: I don't think most military units use that speed holster. They use normal holsters and knives are not the go-to form of CQC defence they'll teach. They have them for a multitude of reasons and none of them are for quickly pulling it out stabbing someone and putting it back in.
You can argue this till you're blue in the face it doesn't change anything. No one is going to reach for their knife that's tucked away in a holster, in a spur of the moment (oh shit enemy 2 feet away) situation. They will just hit them off balance with their weapon and shoot them. If not just simply shoot them initially.
I can't stress this enough. [HEADING=1]IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN[/HEADING].
If someone is going to use their knife they are going to pull it out beforehand. Which is what I'm arguing should be done.
I fully agree with you. The only time you would use a knife IRL would be if you were sneaking up on an enemy and you would pull it out before you right next to them in case they turned around and you had to ether dive at them or, if you were close enough, throw it at them (which wouldn't be very smart as if you missed or hit them in a non-lethal area they can still aim and shoot and you have no weapon)dathwampeer said:You can argue this till you're blue in the face it doesn't change anything. No one is going to reach for their knife that's tucked away in a holster, in a spur of the moment (oh shit enemy 2 feet away) situation. They will just hit them off balance with their weapon and shoot them. If not just simply shoot them initially.
I can't stress this enough. [HEADING=1]IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN[/HEADING].
If someone is going to use their knife they are going to pull it out beforehand. Which is what I'm arguing should be done.
dathwampeer said:Before we continue we need to clear shit up.RadiusXd said:sorry, i figured if smg was small machine gun, then lmg would be large machine gun.
is that so crazy?
as for your being sarcastic, I thought that "O RLY?" was you being retarded and obnoxious, and I apologise.
But, if you will read that quote you just posted, although it says it can be employed by an individual, so can a mini-gun, that doesn't mean that you can hold it and fire standing up like a terminator!
Infantry support it says, infantry support, not infantry! a solder with a carbine and two grenades can be considered infantry, a lone tank can be considered infantry support, that doesn't make it infantry.
you have to set up LMG's on a tripod because of their weight and recoil!
and if i ran out of bullets and/or saw a guy coming up behind me i would prefer to drop the gun and use my knife rather than try and turn around or swing with that slow easily avoidable great mass attached to me.
wouldn't you?
PS. and that video i gave you shows you don't HAVE to buckle your knife up, thus rendering your "what about the time it takes to pull a taaaaaab?!" argument moot.
and BTW there are multiple acceptable ways to hold a combat knife, and the MW slash stance is just one.
SMG is sub machine gun. A short barrelled fully auto weapon that usually fires 9mm rounds. It's usually the weapon of preference for special forces because it's light and can accurately be fire from the hip.
An LMG is a light machine gun. A smaller version of a HMG, Heavy machine gun. LMG's are used as infantry support because they are good for suppressive fire in that you can keep an enemy hidden behind cover for long periods of time without having to re-load. Not because they're too heavy for one person to carry. They aren't that much heavier than some assault rifles and can sometimes just be assault rifle frames with enhanced clip capacity. Like the AUG. And you can set them up on tripods. You don't have to. They can be fired just like assault rifles.