What separates the hardcore and casual crowd

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Racecarlock

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It's not the complexity or deepness of games. It's not how long you've been playing games. It's not how much you spend on gaming hardware, nor how long you still play games.

It's a big fucking attitude problem.

I'll be talking to everyone who said "the masses" are the problem in the "What's holding back the industry" thread. Who the hell are you to deem who is worthy and not worthy of playing video games? Who are you to decide that new people shouldn't ever join because if they do, they won't start off with the game that takes six math problems to start up? What gives you any authority on who joins us in enjoying our medium? I thought you wanted everyone to enjoy games. I guess you wanted them to only play the games you like.

How the hell are we going to move forward as a community and as a medium if we start excluding people based on their preferences? Do you know how bad I can make you guys look with this argument? It's the same argument as "Gay people shouldn't be able to get married because they don't follow certain bible rules". That's how bad it is. Hell, if some of you guys talked about black people the way you talk about casual gamers, you'd of been banned from this forum for blatant racism 2 days after you started talking like that.

But of course, you're not talking about gay people or black people. You're talking about casual gamers, which apparently makes it ok. Except, it really really doesn't.

Also, you want innovation, right? Well, how will that happen when you don't let creative people get in to our medium? Yeah, bet you didn't think of that. Since you're excluding casual gamers from the mix, you might also be excluding people with great game ideas from even touching the medium they want to develop for.

Also, you want games to keep coming out, right? Well, how will that happen if new customers stop coming in because you decided to insult them on how casual they are? If you want big games and even some small games to keep being made, you have to let these guys in, or else games won't be profitable any more, and you'll basically see no more new titles.

To add to that, weren't you a casual gamer at one point? Or did you pop out of your mom's vagina playing a game boy?

And finally, do you want our medium recognized as a medium for everyone, where anyone can get in and enjoy it with you and you finally won't have to explain inner game workings to anyone or not? Do you want gaming to get respect or not? Well, we're not going to get respect if we keep insulting the crap out of new gamers and casual gamers. All you're accomplishing by doing that is making us look like a bunch of exclusionary morons. Do you really want to continue on with the current community of people who will insult you if you happen to like call of duty? Do you want to become that clique at high school that doesn't let anyone in because they're not "Hip" "Cool" or "Smart" enough? Do you really want to have your siblings look at you in confusion every time you mention a game because you didn't let them in in the first place? Do you want gaming to remain a small economy that's easy for right wing nutjobs to target because the parents and old people you didn't let in have no idea what video games are actually like? Do you want all of that? If not, then stop insulting casual gamers and blaming them for every industry problem.

That's what's up.
 

girzwald

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Casual gamer is just an excuse for sucking at a game IMO. I hear people in WoW say it all the time "sorry, i have a life and im not a nerd so im not pro like like YOU"

I hear "I suck and am making excuses"
 

Vault101

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"harcore" is such a loaded term

an I hardcore because I own somthing more substancial than a Wii or DS? am I hardcore because I have a custom built machine? am I hardcore because I devote hours upon hours to gaming?
 

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Man, I'm so sick of this "move forward as a community" and "improve the medium" rhetoric. Let hardcores hate casuals, and let casuals not give a shit. It's not going to change anything, and none of that post-apocalyptic shit you mentioned about games not being made anymore is going to happen. So-called hardcores don't do anything beyond making stupid comments anyway. Film has its snobs; literature has its snobs. Let gaming have its hardcores.
 

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Racecarlock said:
I came to this thread to ***** about how Hardcore and Casual doesnt exist, and how theyre terms used by assholes who want to keep other people away from their hobbies.

Imagine my glee when i read the actual post :D
 

Vegosiux

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Oh look, it's this discussion again.

1) hardcore and casual don't mean shit.
2) hardcore players can be shit
3) casual players can be good
4) casual and lazy aren't the same thing
5) spouting hate and profanity on t3h int3rw3bz isn't impressing anyone


GethBall said:
Yes, we shall, Batman vs Garrus Vakarian, who would win in a fight?
Garrus. He has the reach.
 

Thoric485

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Casual gamers are by definition people with little interest in the medium. And that's fine, everyone's been there, and at some point they get into real games, or they don't.

The problem arises when developers that used to make real games (BioWare, CryTek) flip off their original fans and go for the casual market - that usually involves dumbing down a beloved franchise and blowing hundreds of millions on marketing, only to sell less than their last title. That is what creates the animosity between core gamers and casual gamers - idiotic developers.

I do not give a single fuck about Angry Birds, Farmville, or Wii Sports, or whatever, I have zero investment in that genre or developer or franchise. But when a developer I've supported for years tells me they're taking a deliberate step back in their craft, because of a misguided belief in the casual fantasy land where their games sell 100 million copies, I have reasons to be upset.
 

Racecarlock

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Thoric485 said:
Casual gamers are by definition people with little interest in the medium. And that's fine, everyone's been there, and at some point they get into real games, or they don't.

The problem arises when developers that used to make real games (BioWare, CryTek) flip off their original fans and go for the casual market - that usually involves dumbing down a beloved franchise and blowing hundreds of millions on marketing, only to sell less than their last title. That is what creates the animosity between core gamers and casual gamers - idiotic developers.

I do not give a single fuck about Angry Birds, Farmville, or Wii Sports, or whatever, I have zero investment in that genre or developer or franchise. But when a developer I've supported for years tells me they're taking a deliberate step back in their craft, because of a misguided belief in the casual fantasy land where their games sell 100 million copies, I have reasons to be upset.
Wait wait wait. Real games? What the fuck does that mean? What makes your preferred games more "Real" than the casual games? You're really going to have to explain this to me.
 

Thoric485

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Racecarlock said:
Thoric485 said:
Casual gamers are by definition people with little interest in the medium. And that's fine, everyone's been there, and at some point they get into real games, or they don't.

The problem arises when developers that used to make real games (BioWare, CryTek) flip off their original fans and go for the casual market - that usually involves dumbing down a beloved franchise and blowing hundreds of millions on marketing, only to sell less than their last title. That is what creates the animosity between core gamers and casual gamers - idiotic developers.

I do not give a single fuck about Angry Birds, Farmville, or Wii Sports, or whatever, I have zero investment in that genre or developer or franchise. But when a developer I've supported for years tells me they're taking a deliberate step back in their craft, because of a misguided belief in the casual fantasy land where their games sell 100 million copies, I have reasons to be upset.
Wait wait wait. Real games? What the fuck does that mean? What makes your preferred games more "Real" than the casual games? You're really going to have to explain this to me.
Alright, call them niche games then. Point is core gamers would not give a toss about the casual market, if it wasn't affecting the games they play.
 

krazykidd

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I smell flamebait .

FINE !I'll bite . DEDICATION . Thats your answer . Also who are YOU to say we are wrong mr.fancy pants . Desication with was seperates a hardcore crowed from the casual crowed in any hobby! If i like to fighting games but i only play an hour a week , and someone else likes to play fightin games 10 hours a day , and HE/SHE/IT plays in tournaments , WHO'S a casual ? Obvious answer is obvious . Apply that to EVERYTHING , like canadians with maple syrup ... I'm tired i'm going to bed . Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz
 

TehCookie

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It's more of I want games that I enjoy. I don't care about the hardcore/casual titles I just want games that appeal to me. Who doesn't? My problem is when casual games affect "hardcore" games in efforts to appeal to everyone. It would be fine if it was as simple as apple and oranges, but I hate it when people want to turn apples into apple/orange hybrids. And not just some random apple apple either, from now on every granny smith will be part orange. I just want my traditional granny smith.
 

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GethBall said:
No such thing as a hardcore or casual gamer.

imahobbit4062 said:
Now, shall we move on to a topic worth discussing?
Yes, we shall, Batman vs Garrus Vakarian, who would win in a fight?
Trick question.
Garrus is Batman.
 

GiantRaven

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I think the difference between 'hardcore' and 'casual' (utterly horrible terms in my opinion) is a matter of interest level in a medium, rather than what they actually play.