What The Hell Happened Here?

[Saviordd1]

In the grim darkness of the post-ME3 Escapist, there is only flamewar.

OT: Yeah its gotten ridiculous, but this is the internet, they love to argue. It'll be over when the next "horrible" thing happens.

 

[Fappy]

I can only imagine how bad BSN is. It must be like world war 3 over there.

It has been surprising civil recently all things considered, though that probably changes by the hour. That forum is moving x100 faster than this one at the moment.

If we discount all the "HOLD THE LINE" spam.

God. How I survived over there is a damn mystery. If you don't believe in fanboys, head to BSN. because you better start believing in fanboys or else your faith in humanity will deteriorate
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At least most of the people are only ending their (more often than not) civil posts with the quote. The problem with huge forums like that is the lack of any real moderation short of thread locks. You can get away with posting blank posts and never hear anything from a mod.

 

[RJ 17]

So I've been less than attentive to these here forums for the past week or so and I have returned to find it in a rather... horrendous state. Yeah, yeah flavor of the month, ME3 ending, blah, blah, blah. I get that. My confusion and disappointment is coming from this ugly schism in the community. Seriously guys, why the fuck is everyone getting so worked up over this debate? Some people want Bioware to change/add to the ending. Okay, whoopdy-doo. Is it really worth turning this forum into the ultimate fanboy knife fight in order to get your point across?

This goes for both sides of the argument. I can't even count the number of times I have read the words "entitled" in the last two weeks. Since when was this such a dirty word and why are you guys treating this like its some kind of enormous insult. "Entitled" =/= spoiled/whiny consumer. Don't use it that way and don't assume that is what people are saying when they use it. This used to be a community where we could have intelligent discussions about the industry and our favorite games/developers. Now its just a bunch of uninformed, bitter gamers having it out over what amounts to nothing more than a simple little hot topic that no one will care about two months from now. Is it really worth it guys?

I'm not asking people to stop discussing this big issue. I am asking people to stop stating their opinions as fact and start keeping an open mind, otherwise we'll just end up like every other gaming forum on the internet. I just hope its not too late.

/rant off

I feel better now

But...but...but the interwebz were designed specifically to be the ultimate fanboy knife fight! By the way, when you put it like that I immediately thought of the music video for Beat It and imagined a "It Really Happened" believer knife fighting an "Indoctrination" believer.

I really don't mind the vitriol flowing through here. Indeed, it will all come out in the wash once a new major title comes out. But really, my previous mostly-joking paragraph is kinda right: that's what goes on on internet forums. If an argument has at least 2 sides that can be vaguely supported, you'll get people yanking the sticks out of their asses to beat their way of thinking into the heads of their opponents. The problem is that in this case, there is absolutely NOTHING that fully supports either side. Both sides are based almost entirely on speculation. So it's not even "My opinion is better than yours!" It's "My wild-ass guess based off crappy and admittedly butchered writing is better than yours!"

In short, yeah, it's lame to see literally 20 ME 3 topics on the first page of the forum, but there's not much anyone can do about it till the community as a whole decides to move on to the next game it wants to shit all over.

 

[savageoblivi0n]

To be fair, it just being carried on by a select few.

And it comes down to the age old thing of "opinions". People just cant deal with others who disagree with them -.-


We should be talking about the new silent hill now. Is it going back on track?

I picked up Downpour day 1 and so far aside from a brief lag here and there I think it's a great game, and definitely a step back in the right direction..not perfect, but hey what can be?

 

[daveman247]

To be fair, it just being carried on by a select few.

And it comes down to the age old thing of "opinions". People just cant deal with others who disagree with them -.-


We should be talking about the new silent hill now. Is it going back on track?

I picked up Downpour day 1 and so far aside from a brief lag here and there I think it's a great game, and definitely a step back in the right direction..not perfect, but hey what can be?

Good to hear. I havnt had the chance to buy it/ play it yet but i thought it looked quite good. Despite some very negative reviews. Hopefully the freezes will be patched, and i can deal with the combat since it was never about that anyway. The only thing that looks a bit disappointing is the generic enemies, they look too, human.

 

[Samurai Silhouette]

It's opposing opinions what should be done with people's money. Always an explosive debate.

 

[Tayh]

I've found it all very amusing how upset how people have gotten about it all. And they've gotten upset about the wrong thing. What do I mean?

I mean, THEY FUCKING KILLED KELLY CHAMBERS!!! FUCK YOU BIOWARE AND FUCK YOU EA FOR ALLOWING THEM TO GET AWAY WITH IT!!! She was flirty and looked after my fish, MY FISH, when I was away on missions and more recently, in jail AND THEY JUST KILLED HER IN COLD BLOOD, YOU UTTER BASTARDS!!!

I think that only happens if you're going the paragon route.
You pussy goody-two-shoes.

 

[Risingblade]

Give a month, remember all the skyrim topics? It will fade soon enough

 

[Krion_Vark]

Just a fucking FYI about this mysterious individual. I don't think he's trying to troll anyone. I don't think he's trying to polarize the forums. I most definitely don't think he's trying incite this mass fanboy hysteria I keep seeing. It just happens, regardless of his actions. He present his opinions bluntly and that causes controversy. That is hardly his fault, now is it? He enjoys the resulting debate and keeps it(atleast recently) semi civil. This ridiculous notion that he is somehow the forum's boogyman has got to go. He is not that bad. He's been known to compromise at times.



Stop making it seem like I'm harassing this forum.

Stop harassing the forum, and then we'll stop accusing you of harassing the forum.

You couldn't even fucking avoid using the term "fanboy" in this post.

Dude there IS mass fanboy hysteria on this forum right now. To deny it is to deny the oxygen that you breath.

What I post is no more harassment than the ASSLOAD of "ME3 IS A FlAWLESS MASTERPEICE MADE OF GOLDEN BITCHES!!" threads that spawn almost daily. If I post one anti-me3 thread an hour, it still couldn't compete.

Yeah, it probably does seem like there is "mass fanboy hysteria" on the forums to YOU. That's probably because you automatically deem anyone who disagrees with you a "fanboy".

And since the majority of people here disagree with you, well, you should be smart enough to see what that entails.

Are you not paying attention? I don't have enough fingers on both my hands to count the PLETHORA of me3 threads spawned in AN HOUR. This is not up for debate. Right now we are witnessing a fanboy armaggedon. They are going out of their shits right now. I can only imagine how bad BSN is. It must be like world war 3 over there.


I am so tired of dealing with this accusation of me automatically equating my opposition with fanboyism.

NO. this is incorect. I only label the Bioware apologists as fanboys. Thats to say if you're putting up piss poor arguments just because you love the game then you're a fanboy. if you're unwilling to agree with reasonable and well thought out arguments because of what its directed at. you're a fanboy.

Please making up these silly ideas about me. They just aren't true.

So me saying that I enjoyed the game and that no matter what you say I still like it that makes me a fanboy.

Spoiler

 

[ElPatron]

Entitled is thrown around a lot, but let me tell you this.

In my opinion, there are people on the Escapist who think that publishers should have a leash on the consumers so that we can't get between them and their rampant fanboyism for particular developers.

Apparently, we shouldn't vote with our wallets, and we shouldn't wait for a game to drop to reasonable prices. And you should be burned alive if you buy used games.

I'm out.

 

[DustyDrB]

Guys...you're doing it again.

 

[Zayle79]

Are you not paying attention? I don't have enough fingers on both my hands to count the PLETHORA of me3 threads spawned in AN HOUR. This is not up for debate. Right now we are witnessing a fanboy armaggedon. They are going out of their shits right now. I can only imagine how bad BSN is. It must be like world war 3 over there.


I am so tired of dealing with this accusation of me automatically equating my opposition with fanboyism.

NO. this is incorect. I only label the Bioware apologists as fanboys. Thats to say if you're putting up piss poor arguments just because you love the game then you're a fanboy. if you're unwilling to agree with reasonable and well thought out arguments because of what its directed at. you're a fanboy.

Please making up these silly ideas about me. They just aren't true.

You just contradicted yourself, I think. You just said that you don't label people who disagree with your arguments fanboys, but then you said that people who disagree with "reasonable and well thought out" arguments are fanboys. According to common sense, everybody considers their own arguments to be reasonable and well thought out. You said that you don't call people who disagree with you fanboys, then you turn right around and say that "Bioware apologists" (meaning people who liked the game) are fanboys. I don't think you grasp the subjectivity of quality. To put it simply, quality is subjective. Get it?

 

[Netrigan]

It's not that bad.

Most of the actual nastiness is being generated by a handful of individuals. (No prizes for guessing who.)

The rest is just disappointment and bitterness.

I almost (note, almost) wish the game had been entirely bad from beginning to end. Instead we got a fantastic game that waits until the last ten bloody minutes to shit itself inside out and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Same here, although I think the franchise will right itself with the next game. I think people wanted closure and when the next game comes out and we start seeing what happened to the galaxy and our old friends, ME3's final ten minutes will just be considered a missed opportunity, not the Ultimate Betrayal.

This was the first time Bioware ever gave us the choice of how to end a Mass Effect game, so it's not really not all that surprising that all the endings are pretty much the same. They need to be able to pick things up for the next game regardless of what decision you made. They probably would have been better off having one ending, with a couple of Paragon/Renegade choices on exactly how it played out... such as do you kill Martin Sheen or let him live.

 

[DustyDrB]

And it comes down to the age old thing of "opinions". People just cant deal with others who disagree with them -.-

It goes a little beyond that.

Let's say you have an opinion. And your opinion is that you really like chocolate.

I dislike chocolate, but really enjoy vanilla.

I could come to the forum and say "Hold on now, old chap. I see you like chocolate, but have you considered these flaws? And please, be patient while I express to you the merits of vanilla!" That's a reasonable divergence of opinion. It's healthy. It's good to have your opinions challenged. This kind of agreeable disagreement occurs in about 1% of forum posts.

The alternative, which occurs in about 99% of forum posts, is where I storm your thread, call you a chocolate fanboy, completely exaggerate and overstate every imaginable problem with chocolate, and then spend the next 5-10 pages of the thread arguing past you by loudly shouting down every single thing you say.

It's really just run of the mill attitude polarization, although it's kind of amusing watching it seep into something that should be emotionally neutral, like video game discussions. You expect it in the politics and religion forum, but it's really gotten to the point where you can't discuss anything without it turning into an argumentative screaming match by the 2nd page. People just love a fight.

Sounds like that bit from Thank You For Smoking.

This is what we have a lot of here. People can't admit when they are wrong, so they change the argument. They aren't interested in discussion, they're interested in winning...something.

 

[Zayle79]

I shall ammend my statement. I don't categorize people who JUST* disagree with my argument as fanboys. It's when they get all irrational and lack any good argument that the labeling begins.

And your arguments have to be pretty pathetic for me to label you a fanboy. I acknowledge that most arguments have something valid about them. To make an argument that has 0 or very little validity is pretty damn telling of a fanboy.

Quality is not subjective. So no I don't get it. I acknowledge that somewhere somehow someone likes what I don't like. but to say quality is subjective is going a little bit too far. We have societal standards for most things. We judge quality using those standards.

Okay, quality isn't always subjective--the better surgeon is the one who kills the fewest patients. But regarding anything that's valued primarily for its entertainment, like video games, quality is entirely subjective.

You can't put any two games next to each other and objectively say that one is better than the other; for instance, you can't objectively say that Dragon Age II is worse than Dragon Age: Origins. It is, of course, and most of us here could agree on that. But even if every single person on the planet believed that Origins was better, it's still subjective. It's in your mind, rather than being a physically quantifiable characteristic. That makes it subjective.

What's the point of making fun of people who don't have a good enough reason for liking something?

 

[Sparrow]

I don't think it's THAT bad. There seem to be certain extremes from both sides of the Mass Effect 3 ending debate that are making everyone look bad, though. For instance, folks that are demanding a free DLC changing the ending are just being ridiculous. On the other hand, folks that post certain news articles on the site *cough* Andy Chalk *cough* telling people to stop whining even though said folks haven't actually played the fucking game aren't helping either.

I think most folks are firmly in the "I didn't like that ending but I ain't crazy enough to demand a free ending" camp.

...because you better start believing in fanboys or else your faith in humanity will deteriorate.

 

[TheDrunkNinja]

Most of the actual nastiness is being generated by a handful of individuals. (No prizes for guessing who.)

Who would even consider giving out prizes for stating the obvious?

OT: I'm starting my play of ME3 today. I've had a lot of build up from the internet about these endings, but what I'm holding onto the most as I ready myself for that final battle is the build up that was provided by those who are close to me personally and their opinions on the ending. None of my friends can match the pure unadulterated flaming bile that has spewed from every corner of the internet. The range of reaction I've gotten from them about these endings has been from "Meh" to "I don't see why this is in anyway rage inducing", and I trust their word far more than anyone on any of these sites, no offense. I feel good about what's to come knowing that the people who share the same interests and opinions as me felt good when they finished the game.