What The Hell Happened Here?

[Fappy]

Guys...you're doing it again.

Its like telling children not to touch the stove XP

 

[Scabadus]

It's not that bad.

Most of the actual nastiness is being generated by a handful of individuals. (No prizes for guessing who.)

The rest is just disappointment and bitterness.

I almost (note, almost) wish the game had been entirely bad from beginning to end. Instead we got a fantastic game that waits until the last ten bloody minutes to shit itself inside out and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Same here, although I think the franchise will right itself with the next game. I think people wanted closure and when the next game comes out and we start seeing what happened to the galaxy and our old friends, ME3's final ten minutes will just be considered a missed opportunity, not the Ultimate Betrayal.

This was the first time Bioware ever gave us the choice of how to end a Mass Effect game, so it's not really not all that surprising that all the endings are pretty much the same. They need to be able to pick things up for the next game regardless of what decision you made. They probably would have been better off having one ending, with a couple of Paragon/Renegade choices on exactly how it played out... such as do you kill Martin Sheen or let him live.

The entire point of Mass Effect 3 was that it was to be the series' finale and therefor didn't have to keep things within tight constraints for the next game. You should have been able to kill the Illusive Man, destroy the Citadel and dance a jig on the Asari councilor's head; the writers didn't have to worry about the consequnces being too far-reaching for all of them to be taken into account for the next game.

 

[Netrigan]

It's not that bad.

Most of the actual nastiness is being generated by a handful of individuals. (No prizes for guessing who.)

The rest is just disappointment and bitterness.

I almost (note, almost) wish the game had been entirely bad from beginning to end. Instead we got a fantastic game that waits until the last ten bloody minutes to shit itself inside out and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Same here, although I think the franchise will right itself with the next game. I think people wanted closure and when the next game comes out and we start seeing what happened to the galaxy and our old friends, ME3's final ten minutes will just be considered a missed opportunity, not the Ultimate Betrayal.

This was the first time Bioware ever gave us the choice of how to end a Mass Effect game, so it's not really not all that surprising that all the endings are pretty much the same. They need to be able to pick things up for the next game regardless of what decision you made. They probably would have been better off having one ending, with a couple of Paragon/Renegade choices on exactly how it played out... such as do you kill Martin Sheen or let him live.

The entire point of Mass Effect 3 was that it was to be the series' finale and therefor didn't have to keep things within tight constraints for the next game. You should have been able to kill the Illusive Man, destroy the Citadel and dance a jig on the Asari councilor's head; the writers didn't have to worry about the consequnces being too far-reaching for all of them to be taken into account for the next game.

Had this truly been the final game of the Mass Effect Universe, then they could have had let you completely destroy the universe without fear of consequence. The second they decided there would be future games, they had to reign in the consequences of your actions or else invalidate many player's decisions as non-canon.

They fumbled the ball, but I figure they'll end up doing what they've done twice before. Front-load the next game with details of what happened next.

 

[Sandjube]

And it comes down to the age old thing of "opinions". People just cant deal with others who disagree with them -.-

It goes a little beyond that.

Let's say you have an opinion. And your opinion is that you really like chocolate.

I dislike chocolate, but really enjoy vanilla.

I could come to the forum and say "Hold on now, old chap. I see you like chocolate, but have you considered these flaws? And please, be patient while I express to you the merits of vanilla!" That's a reasonable divergence of opinion. It's healthy. It's good to have your opinions challenged. This kind of agreeable disagreement occurs in about 1% of forum posts.

The alternative, which occurs in about 99% of forum posts, is where I storm your thread, call you a chocolate fanboy, completely exaggerate and overstate every imaginable problem with chocolate, and then spend the next 5-10 pages of the thread arguing past you by loudly shouting down every single thing you say.

It's really just run of the mill attitude polarization, although it's kind of amusing watching it seep into something that should be emotionally neutral, like video game discussions. You expect it in the politics and religion forum, but it's really gotten to the point where you can't discuss anything without it turning into an argumentative screaming match by the 2nd page. People just love a fight.

People just love a fight. On the internet. Where they can't actually be hurt. And they can feel superior. Also, awesome analogy.

....I like chocolate and vanilla.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

Ahh, a voice of reason in these troubled times. Good ol' Fappy.

Yeah. I recently have started noticing this too, So I've taken to just avoid the entire issue altogether. Also, I have to say as well "What the fuck guys?"

2010 Escapist would have absolutely shit on this uprising of negativity. And for fuck's sakes everyone; Take two precious seconds to check the forums to see if an identical thread has already been posted before you say something. There was 4 threads of the exact same thing this morning, and right before I posted here I saw "Indoctrination theory" pop up twice. Everything that can possibly be said has been said. Multiple times. With different influctuations, and different tones. Often times yelling at another person, and I'm sure it's been said in Spanish. Probably in the very thread that you are posting in.

There comes a point where you have to just let it go. Sign the damn thing if you have to, and move on. I love the Escapist for the varying conversations, yet it's getting hard to find them when all there is is a sea of anger in text about Mass Effect 3. And for fuck's sakes, don't start actual fights with the people who don't share your opinion.

Would you rather belong to a community of friends, or a community of enemies that you made off of a disagreement over a game?

Edit: Is "and for fuck's sakes" becoming my catchphrase? Because I would be fine with that.

 

[JoesshittyOs]

And it comes down to the age old thing of "opinions". People just cant deal with others who disagree with them -.-

It goes a little beyond that.

Let's say you have an opinion. And your opinion is that you really like chocolate.

I dislike chocolate, but really enjoy vanilla.

I could come to the forum and say "Hold on now, old chap. I see you like chocolate, but have you considered these flaws? And please, be patient while I express to you the merits of vanilla!" That's a reasonable divergence of opinion. It's healthy. It's good to have your opinions challenged. This kind of agreeable disagreement occurs in about 1% of forum posts.

The alternative, which occurs in about 99% of forum posts, is where I storm your thread, call you a chocolate fanboy, completely exaggerate and overstate every imaginable problem with chocolate, and then spend the next 5-10 pages of the thread arguing past you by loudly shouting down every single thing you say.

It's really just run of the mill attitude polarization, although it's kind of amusing watching it seep into something that should be emotionally neutral, like video game discussions. You expect it in the politics and religion forum, but it's really gotten to the point where you can't discuss anything without it turning into an argumentative screaming match by the 2nd page. People just love a fight.

Fuck Vanilla. Chocolate for life.

 

[Clive Howlitzer]

It's not that bad.

Most of the actual nastiness is being generated by a handful of individuals. (No prizes for guessing who.)

The rest is just disappointment and bitterness.

I almost (note, almost) wish the game had been entirely bad from beginning to end. Instead we got a fantastic game that waits until the last ten bloody minutes to shit itself inside out and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.

Sshhh. If you speak of him, he shall appea--Ahh damnit, too late. He is already here and raging like a crazy person.

 

[savageoblivi0n]

To be fair, it just being carried on by a select few.

And it comes down to the age old thing of "opinions". People just cant deal with others who disagree with them -.-


We should be talking about the new silent hill now. Is it going back on track?

I picked up Downpour day 1 and so far aside from a brief lag here and there I think it's a great game, and definitely a step back in the right direction..not perfect, but hey what can be?

Good to hear. I havnt had the chance to buy it/ play it yet but i thought it looked quite good. Despite some very negative reviews. Hopefully the freezes will be patched, and i can deal with the combat since it was never about that anyway. The only thing that looks a bit disappointing is the generic enemies, they look too, human.

I can agree with the enemies looking a bit human, but trust me they still have the ability to screw with your head nicely..I've almost given my room a couple nice skylights being caught off-guard..And really the only negative critic review I've seen was IGN..and..well....*ahem* yeah...
Also most of the negative user reviews have centered on the minor framerate issues (which TBH maybe some people are experiencing worse than me, I dunno), or they dislike the major mechanic changes because it's different than what a SH fan is used to, which I can understand, but at least the dev is trying new things.

(Plus Daniel Licht's soundtrack is amazing and fits perfectly)

 

[Tony2077]

All this talk of fanboys really grinds my gears.

Is it against the law to enjoy a game these days?

guess so from all the backlash people are getting. i recall the good old day when you could play something and not be judged for it

 

[daveman247]

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S ounds good to me Will have to get once im done with the old backlog (and the hd collection).

 

[Frozen Donkey Wheel2]

This is, without a doubt, the silliest thread I've ever seen. The "controversy" has now shifted from this:

A: Hey guys, does ME3's ending suck or what?
B: Fuck yeah, it sucks! A lot!
C: But maybe it doesn't because of this stuff!
A+B: Shut the fuck up, yes it does. They should make a new one.
D: That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. It was bad, just get over i-
A+B: NEVER! You just don't respect a the rights of the consumer!
D: What. I don't even. What.
E: Hey guys, does ME3's ending suck or what?
EVERYONE ELSE: Oh, for fuck's sake.

To this:

A: Your reaction to the ending was stupider then mine!
B: No you!
A: No you!
B: No you!
C: Hey guys, does ME3's ending suck, or what?
EVERYONE ELSE: Oh, for fuck's sake.