what the hell Steam!?

[Vault101]

[b/]to clarify I'm talking about the extra data aside from whata on the disk[/b]

this is more or less a quick question

last week or so I got the new DMC and found that upon installing it still needed 2GB or so of data downloaded....

odd for a more or less recent game..but mabye it was a bigass patch, ok then

yesterday I installed my copy of tomb raider (which I had since the previous friday due to it breaking street date) and for a game released on that very day....2gb needed downloading

see the thing was if you got a game more or less new...or hell even a year or so after and it wasnt online heavy you could expect about 100-400mb of updates/downloads mabye more if the game was older

but is this the standard now? 2gb a game? this might not seem that much to most people but I'm on an internet capand having to spend GB all over the place is not a good habit...it chatches me off gaurd more often than not (in this case I already spent a large chunk stuffing around with starcraft 2)

mabye it depends on the game but is this pretty much the norm now?

 

[Weaver]

So it's downloading more after the game downloads? Not really sure why it's doing that. Mine does not, it just downloads the games.

 

[hazabaza1]

Check your settings. Might be able to turn automatic updates off?
It could just be the games too. I know DmC had that new Bloody Palace thing, and new games need so many patches nowadays 2GB for a near launch title wouldn't surprise me.

 

[Doom972]

Steam isn't recommended for those who have a limited download quota. You may want to change that if you wish to continue using Steam.

You can disable automatic updates by right clicking on the game in the library -> Properties -> updates and then change the option to disable automatic updates.

 

[OpticalJunction]

Do what I do and play in offline mode. You're less likely to be caught off guard by gigantic freaking updates that way.

 

[Keoul]

Games being over 2gb is indeed probably the norm now.
Gamers are demanding more and more, or rather the developers are putting more and more into their games, higher quality images, more items, open world shiz, just a tonne more content than what we use to have. Maybe it's time to upgrade your internet connection?

 

[Lilani]

Games being over 2gb is indeed probably the norm now.
Gamers are demanding more and more, or rather the developers are putting more and more into their games, higher quality images, more items, open world shiz, just a tonne more content than what we use to have. Maybe it's time to upgrade your internet connection?

I think you need to read the OP again. It wasn't the game being 2 gigs that was the problem. It was that they installed the game, and then Steam informed them there were 2 gigs worth of updates to install. In the way of updates, that is pretty excessive, especially since the game was Tomb Raider and it just came out like this week.

Also, the OP mentioned a "cap" on their Internet usage. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're using Comcast, a company known for capping the amount of Internet their users have, and is also known for pretty much being the only Internet provider in some regions (which is why they get away with that sort of shit and still have paying customers at the end of the day).

 

[Dryk]

It's hard to tell if it's a day-one patch or a Steam glitch. I haven't had Steam decide it wants to download a game again like that for ages.

Also, the OP mentioned a "cap" on their Internet usage. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're using Comcast, a company known for capping the amount of Internet their users have, and is also known for pretty much being the only Internet provider in some regions (which is why they get away with that sort of shit and still have paying customers at the end of the day).

Nah, just Australian.

 

[Keoul]

I think you need to read the OP again. It wasn't the game being 2 gigs that was the problem. It was that they installed the game, and then Steam informed them there were 2 gigs worth of updates to install. In the way of updates, that is pretty excessive, especially since the game was Tomb Raider and it just came out like a week ago.

Also, the OP mentioned a "cap" on their Internet usage. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're using Comcast, a company known for capping the amount of Internet their users have, and is also known for pretty much being the only Internet provider in some regions (which is why they get away with that sort of shit and still have paying customers at the end of the day).

The way they phrased it was.... funny
I got the installation part but

but is this the standard now? 2gb a game?

yesterday I installed my copy of tomb raider (which I had since the previous friday due to it breaking street date) and for a game released on that very day....2gb needed downloading

Those parts kinda threw me off.

If it's additional installations I can only guess and speculate, maybe they just downloaded an installer and not actual game files but considering it's steam I doubt it.

And by get a better internet I meant go with a plan with a larger cap.

 

[Lilani]

-snip-

Yeah, I'll admit there is a bit of a learning curve to Vault-speak[footnote]Still love you though, Vault![/footnote]. But I will say that not everybody has such luxurious options for Internet. It might well be that 2 gigs is the uppermost limit of what they can get, I've heard of worse caps. Or it could be a pricing issue. If a company can get away with such obnoxious caps, then usually they can also stand to put outrageous prices on their better plans. There's only so much one can afford to pay on a monthly basis and still afford those lovely games on Steam ;-)

 

[Nouw]

Be wary that some patches are glitches, especially if they're irregularly massive. I apparently have 10+GB updates for TF2 and Natural Selection 2. Not sure how to fix it.

 

[SlaveNumber23]

Be wary that some patches are glitches, especially if they're irregularly massive. I apparently have 10+GB updates for TF2 and Natural Selection 2. Not sure how to fix it.

Unless I'm mistaken, the updates aren't actually 10GB, what happens is when you update those two games it displays the progress of the entire game as a whole rather than displaying the progress of the update. For example if TF2 has a 0.5GB update and before the update it was 9.5GB total then the update progress will display '9.5GB out of 10GB' at the start of the update, and finish at '10GB out of 10GB', the wording is just misleading.


OT: So you found two examples and are ready to declare that it is 'the standard now'? That's not exactly the fairest of reasoning. Also, both of those games are single player titles[footnote]Not 100% sure about Tomb Raider but I assume its at least mainly single player. [/footnote] so you could just not download the updates and play the games offline. Additional content and fixes do not magically add themselves to your game, if you want them you are going to have to pay the price, to me its a pretty low price if it only comes out of your download quota rather than your wallet as well and hey they aren't forcing you to download it.

 

[Smooth Operator]

Be sure to frequently restart the Steam client as it tends to get messed up and just re-download files it imagines need fixing, sadly they don't give a shit howmuch of the users time and money is wasted.
To me TF2 was constantly flagged as broken and it kept downloading hundreds of megs extra each time, but the actual cause it seems was me using non-english characters in key bindings... absurdity doesn't even begin to cover it.

For SP game I strongly suggest you swap into offline mode and disable automatic patching, if that doesn't work then contact Steam support.

 

[Dryk]

-snip-

Yeah, I'll admit there is a bit of a learning curve to Vault-speak[footnote]Still love you though, Vault![/footnote]. But I will say that not everybody has such luxurious options for Internet. It might well be that 2 gigs is the uppermost limit of what they can get, I've heard of worse caps.

Nah our upper limits are around 500-1000Gb. I'm on 200Gb myself combined with a phone plan for... somewhere between $90-100/month I think. Although it looks like they've just increased the caps again in that bracket to 500Gb... they have a tendency of selling way more data at the same price and not upgrading existing customers until they ask

 

[Vault101]

So it's downloading more after the game downloads? Not really sure why it's doing that. Mine does not, it just downloads the games.

sorry, I ment after installing from the disk

Check your settings. Might be able to turn automatic updates off?

but I'll still need to update upon installation to be allowed to play..right?

Also, the OP mentioned a "cap" on their Internet usage. I'm going to go out on a limb and say they're using Comcast, a company known for capping the amount of Internet their users have, and is also known for pretty much being the only Internet provider in some regions (which is why they get away with that sort of shit and still have paying customers at the end of the day).

nope....I'm Austrlain..internet caps are normal

OT: So you found two examples and are ready to declare that it is 'the standard now'? That's not exactly the fairest of reasoning.

no...I'm just geniunly asking now...it happed with two relitivly recent games (and as I said its been a while since I used steam)

[quote/]Also, both of those games are single player titles[footnote]Not 100% sure about Tomb Raider but I assume its at least mainly single player. [/footnote] so you could just not download the updates and play the games offline. Additional content and fixes do not magically add themselves to your game, if you want them you are going to have to pay the price, to me its a pretty low price if it only comes out of your download quota rather than your wallet as well and hey they aren't forcing you to download it.[/quote]
heres how it goes

I buy the game in the store

I install it to steam

steam needs to update it

even if I go offline I'm not allowed to play it untill I update it...now unless this has somthing to do with my settings...I cant play until its "ready"

Nah our upper limits are around 500-1000Gb. I'm on 200Gb myself combined with a phone plan for... somewhere between $90-100/month I think. Although it looks like they've just increased the caps again in that bracket to 500Gb... they have a tendency of selling way more data at the same price and not upgrading existing customers until they ask

I'm on a 14gb a month cap which I can genrally manage though in this case I spent half of it screwing around with Star craft...to be fair that is mobile broadband and you cant get shit with that

 

[Vault101]

Games being over 2gb is indeed probably the norm now.
Gamers are demanding more and more, or rather the developers are putting more and more into their games, higher quality images, more items, open world shiz, just a tonne more content than what we use to have. Maybe it's time to upgrade your internet connection?

I didnt start gaming yesterday XD

as lilani said I ment the extra I had to download on top of what I installed from the disk

 

[Keoul]

I didnt start gaming yesterday XD

as lilani said I ment the extra I had to download on top of what I installed from the disk

I have goofed :c
But I do agree that having to download extra stuff after having believed everything to be installed is pretty damn annoying, heck 300mb on my ps3 is annoying enough I'd probably ditch the game if it was 2gbs...

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

Welcome to the joys of day one patching.

Does anyone else have the new Tomb Raider? It doesn't really matter whether or not it's the console version or not, if others got hit by a massive download as well then it looks like it was a day one patch.

How is the actual game disc? Any sort of damage?

 

[Vault101]

Welcome to the joys of day one patching.

Does anyone else have the new Tomb Raider? It doesn't really matter whether or not it's the console version or not, if others got hit by a massive download as well then it looks like it was a day one patch.

How is the actual game disc? Any sort of damage?

game disc is fine..right out of the box

I alway shad say 1 patched but they were only a few magbites..this seems like a new thing

 

[Gothproxy]

Did you ever have the tragic misfortune of installing "Age of Conan" on your computer? All said and done (and yes, I was an idiot for giving it a try)it took over 32Gb of HDD space to install. And this was, what, 6 years ago? THAT was a crap ton of storage space for a crap ton of a game. Sure, it was an MMO, but even if you install Everquest II and all its expansions and whatnot, you get close to around 14Gb.

So lets see here:

Age of Conan was out for a little less than 3 months and took 32Gig of HDD space with no expansions.
Everquest II has been out for 11 years, has 9 expansions, 3 adventure packs, 100s of updates and takes 14 Gb (give or take).

So, it could be worse.