...What was Light's problem?

[blue heartless]

I don't think Light is ever shown using the Death Note to indicate a time expressed in terms other than a specific clock time on a specific date. Knowing Light, he would definitely have attempted it - the uses for such a function would be too great for Light to not try it - and it would've been used in at least one of his schemes. Since he's not shown using it, I'm inferring that it's not actually possible to do that. It probably came up during his experimentation phase early on, and simply wasn't mentioned in the series proper. While it's just speculation on my part, the idea that someone as meticulous as Light didn't at least try it and, were he successful, use it extensively is so unlikely that it makes me assume it's not, in fact, possible.

Honestly, I think to assume he hadn't tried it (assuming his pathology was constant) would be in error itself. It would be far more correct to assume that he had come to this idea at some point in the time of his initial reception othe Death Note, only to come to the conclusion that he would never be able to confirm his theory, as the person would die AFTER his death. You could also infer that were he able to enact such a cause of death, the most accurate a test would be to have the person dies moments BEFORE, but once again taking Light's personality into account it wouldn't be likely for him to take an experiment that far, and choose to work with proven abilities.

No, the Death Note has to kill its target within 23 days of writing the name down, so you can't abuse it to make someone virtually immortal ("I will die painlessly five minutes after the heat death of the universe, having been totally healthy up until that point"). One of The Rules(tm).

I don't recall that being one of the rules mentioned during the anime, either during the story or the bumps midway each episode. I do recall seeing the twenty three day limit in regards to killing by a disease. If it was mentioned in the manga, live-action films, or other media, and is considered canon then I retract that statement. As far as I looked into it, the only limits are in regards to the nature of death (Six minutes and forty seconds), and the nineteen day limit to write a vitcim's name in the Death Note after writing down a cause of death.

It's been a while since I last read/watched the manga/anime. Please forgive me if I've made any mistake.

 

[Loop Stricken]

Was anyone else left thinking "What the fuck!?"?

Indeed.
I was yelling at the monitor to bend her over that desk and [BLEEP] her 'til [BLEEP].
Alas.

 

[Graustein]

I don't think Light is ever shown using the Death Note to indicate a time expressed in terms other than a specific clock time on a specific date. Knowing Light, he would definitely have attempted it - the uses for such a function would be too great for Light to not try it - and it would've been used in at least one of his schemes. Since he's not shown using it, I'm inferring that it's not actually possible to do that. It probably came up during his experimentation phase early on, and simply wasn't mentioned in the series proper. While it's just speculation on my part, the idea that someone as meticulous as Light didn't at least try it and, were he successful, use it extensively is so unlikely that it makes me assume it's not, in fact, possible.

Honestly, I think to assume he hadn't tried it (assuming his pathology was constant) would be in error itself. It would be far more correct to assume that he had come to this idea at some point in the time of his initial reception othe Death Note, only to come to the conclusion that he would never be able to confirm his theory, as the person would die AFTER his death. You could also infer that were he able to enact such a cause of death, the most accurate a test would be to have the person dies moments BEFORE, but once again taking Light's personality into account it wouldn't be likely for him to take an experiment that far, and choose to work with proven abilities.

No, the Death Note has to kill its target within 23 days of writing the name down, so you can't abuse it to make someone virtually immortal ("I will die painlessly five minutes after the heat death of the universe, having been totally healthy up until that point"). One of The Rules(tm).

I don't recall that being one of the rules mentioned during the anime, either during the story or the bumps midway each episode. I do recall seeing the twenty three day limit in regards to killing by a disease. If it was mentioned in the manga, live-action films, or other media, and is considered canon then I retract that statement. As far as I looked into it, the only limits are in regards to the nature of death (Six minutes and forty seconds), and the nineteen day limit to write a vitcim's name in the Death Note after writing down a cause of death.

It's been a while since I last read/watched the manga/anime. Please forgive me if I've made any mistake.

I think you misunderstand what I was saying. I didn't say it's impossible to set the time of death as "after Light Yagami dies". What I'm saying is that the Death Note has never been shown capable of killing someone based on any trigger other than a time and date. As an example, he could have listed time of death as "five minutes after the next time they board a bus", or "will die two seconds before kissing their girlfriend", but nothing of the sort happens. It didn't have to be linked to Light's wellbeing, specifically. Linking it to any event outside of a time and date would have been incredibly powerful, and were it possible Light would have done it. So I'm assuming that he had tried it, found it to be impossible and moved on in his early experimentation; like many potential uses for the Death Note, it simply wasn't narrated in the series proper.

 

[Julianking93]

Did anyone else get the vibe that L had the hots for Light?

With that feet thing? Yes!

Yeah, that was...weird.

I didn't get the significance of that scene. It wasn't in the manga.

 

[blue heartless]

I think you misunderstand what I was saying. I didn't say it's impossible to set the time of death as "after Light Yagami dies". What I'm saying is that the Death Note has never been shown capable of killing someone based on any trigger other than a time and date. As an example, he could have listed time of death as "five minutes after the next time they board a bus", or "will die two seconds before kissing their girlfriend", but nothing of the sort happens. It didn't have to be linked to Light's wellbeing, specifically. Linking it to any event outside of a time and date would have been incredibly powerful, and were it possible Light would have done it. So I'm assuming that he had tried it, found it to be impossible and moved on in his early experimentation; like many potential uses for the Death Note, it simply wasn't narrated in the series proper.

True, this hadn't been explored in the series but there are notable instances in which he used factors such as "traffic accident" (or similar) as a cause of death. One extreme case was during that early episode where he gains the trust of Mike or Mark (the FBI tail), where through a meticulously planned series of events led to the death of a criminal. Granted, much of that plan was personally influenced.

Now, the time of death was placed, if I'm getting the plot correctly, a day or two before. Small scale, but wouldn't it be safe to state then, that by writing a date of death would result in that person's death on that future date (unless of course, the victim's death does not result in any other untimely deaths, as per the rules)? The Death Note's rules do not discriminate by outside influences, once the person's name is written that person is already considered 'dead' and were the person to die before the written date then it will not prevent it.

 

[Graustein]

I think you misunderstand what I was saying. I didn't say it's impossible to set the time of death as "after Light Yagami dies". What I'm saying is that the Death Note has never been shown capable of killing someone based on any trigger other than a time and date. As an example, he could have listed time of death as "five minutes after the next time they board a bus", or "will die two seconds before kissing their girlfriend", but nothing of the sort happens. It didn't have to be linked to Light's wellbeing, specifically. Linking it to any event outside of a time and date would have been incredibly powerful, and were it possible Light would have done it. So I'm assuming that he had tried it, found it to be impossible and moved on in his early experimentation; like many potential uses for the Death Note, it simply wasn't narrated in the series proper.

True, this hadn't been explored in the series but there are notable instances in which he used factors such as "traffic accident" (or similar) as a cause of death. One extreme case was during that early episode where he gains the trust of Mike or Mark (the FBI tail), where through a meticulously planned series of events led to the death of a criminal. Granted, much of that plan was personally influenced.

Now, the time of death was placed, if I'm getting the plot correctly, a day or two before. Small scale, but wouldn't it be safe to state then, that by writing a date of death would result in that person's death on that future date (unless of course, the victim's death does not result in any other untimely deaths, as per the rules)? The Death Note's rules do not discriminate by outside influences, once the person's name is written that person is already considered 'dead' and were the person to die before the written date then it will not prevent it.

He uses traffic accidents as a cause of death, but the thing is that by writing traffic accident as the cause, he causes the accident to happen in the first place. The traffic accident was the method by which the person died, not the trigger that caused the Death Note to kick in.

As for date-of-death, I don't know. Light only ever specifies time of death in a rather precise minute/hour/date format. Perhaps he has to be that specific.

 

[blue heartless]

Perhap seeing the traffic accident would cause the death of another, but by reading the rules (as I just found, but I'm unsure about the reliability of it) the cause of death may not be related to an event, unless specifically described so. Were Light more patient with the power, perhaps we would see further exploration into the Death Note.

But then I think, the suspense of the series would be cut dramatically or the series would collaspe, were this power discovered. For the sake of the continuity, the creators chose not to show this (possible) aspect of the book, and focused on Light's lunacy and mind battles rather than his ability. Some of the rules are interesting however, and maybe more time could have been spent exploring those secondary rules.


[a href="http://annex.wikia.com/wiki/Rules_of_the_Death_Note"]Rules of the Death Note[/a]

 

[Chaotic Neutral]

No, the Death Note has to kill its target within 23 days of writing the name down, so you can't abuse it to make someone virtually immortal ("I will die painlessly five minutes after the heat death of the universe, having been totally healthy up until that point"). One of The Rules(tm).

I don't recall that being one of the rules mentioned during the anime, either during the story or the bumps midway each episode. I do recall seeing the twenty three day limit in regards to killing by a disease. If it was mentioned in the manga, live-action films, or other media, and is considered canon then I retract that statement. As far as I looked into it, the only limits are in regards to the nature of death (Six minutes and forty seconds), and the nineteen day limit to write a vitcim's name in the Death Note after writing down a cause of death.

It's been a while since I last read/watched the manga/anime. Please forgive me if I've made any mistake.

The 23 day rule is brought up with regards to disease, but the way it's phrased in the manga makes it clear that it applies to all murders done with the note. I haven't seen the anime or watched the movies, though I do know the 23 day limit comes up again at the end of the second movie when:

Spoiler

L uses the Death Note on himself to make himself immune to the effects of Light's Death Note for long enough to incriminate him. Twenty-three days is the longest amount of time he can give himself to live before dying by his own pen.

Did anyone else get the vibe that L had the hots for Light?

With that feet thing? Yes!

Yeah, that was...weird.

I didn't get the significance of that scene. It wasn't in the manga.

Ah, the foot scene. Manga-only fan that I am, the foot scene seems to have struck a chord with people, and thus I know of it.

It's a reference to the Bible, actually. Jesus washed the feet of his disciples shortly before his death, to show them that they should serve their fellow man even if they had to degrade themselves slightly to do it (as foot-washing was considered something a servant would do at the time). Of course, he washed Judas's feet while he was at it...

I personally think the similarities between L and Christ are few, and thus the metaphor seems forced to me, but that's what it's referring to. There's nothing homoerotic about it unless you're a proponent of the theory that Yeshua was gay/bisexual, or get hot and bothered by holy texts in general. Sorry.

 

[sky14kemea]

Did anyone else get the vibe that L had the hots for Light?

With that feet thing? Yes!

And that is the sound of yet more fangirls writing and drawing away


I didn't like Misa either actually :0, and besides, not everyone always goes for the 'model' over everyone else. Otherwise there would be hardly any couples

[sub]Don't take my second paragraph too seriously, I just woke up like 5 mins ago [/sub]

 

[BENZOOKA]

Did anyone else get the vibe that L had the hots for Light?

With that feet thing? Yes!

Yeah... It was a bit awkward.

OT: I love Misa. But frankly, that's not the first time characters don't act the way they are clearly expected to.

 

[Julianking93]

Ah, the foot scene. Manga-only fan that I am, the foot scene seems to have struck a chord with people, and thus I know of it.

It's a reference to the Bible, actually. Jesus washed the feet of his disciples shortly before his death, to show them that they should serve their fellow man even if they had to degrade themselves slightly to do it (as foot-washing was considered something a servant would do at the time). Of course, he washed Judas's feet while he was at it...

I personally think the similarities between L and Christ are few, and thus the metaphor seems forced to me, but that's what it's referring to. There's nothing homoerotic about it unless you're a proponent of the theory that Yeshua was gay/bisexual, or get hot and bothered by holy texts in general. Sorry.

I didn't know that.

Interesting info

Though, that [i/]does[/i] seem rather forced. L reminded me nothing of Christ (that's probably just because I'm an atheist and I don't pay attention to stuff like that ) but to so quickly have a biblical reference thrown in without making any previous reference before seemed a bit forced.

I really just looked at it as "Aw...what a cute little gay couple"

 

[Daystar Clarion]

NO! YOU SIR ARE WRONG!!

Light had the right idea

Spoiler

Dude, are you going to go to every thread, hoping that you get the chance to use that picture? WHICH IS FUCKING AWESOME!

 

[TheNamlessGuy]

DELETED

 

[Susano]

he wanted to make the world a better place, but did it in a fucked up way.

Look at Code Geass, Lelouch and Light are a lot alike, but Lelouch has a key difference about him, he has a fucking soul.

Spoiler

At least when Shirley died, he changed his whole plan to destroy Birtania.

Before she died, he was planing to take over the Geass group, but after she died and found out Geass was behind it, he opted to destory the whole damn thing.

for instance also, season 2, when him and shirley where talking, she was talking a bout a train cart, and you could see the pain in his eyes about what he had done.

Funnily enough, that was exactly what I found annoying about LeLouch. He had a master plan, then someone's death (He having killed what? hundreds? by this point) making him change it.

 

[WlknCntrdiction]

It's widely accepted that Light was asexual. I mean, he pretends to be intrested in a pin-up magazine to seem like normal guy and the only time he ever sleeps with anyone is to futher his goals.

This is where(if he were still around)MaxTheReaper would come in and put across his asexuality in one way or another lol.

But OT, I would tap that.

......................................

What? o.0