What would happen if Iran and the US went to war?

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Thaluikhain

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The US would "win", forgone conclusion. In that they'd be able to remove the current government and military of Iran, whether they can take and hold the land and people is another matter.

Various other nations would find reasons to get involved, to avoid the US making an example of them for not doing so (in economic, rather than military terms...the US is still the world's biggest economy, and could choose to slow trade with a nation that annoyed it, with suitably large consequences).

Is sort of funny, back before Iraq, when Bush was giving his half-arsed ultimatums that everyone saw through, Johh Howard, Prime Minister of Australia, didn't bother with the pretence and was calling for war, leading to jokes about the US being invited to take part in the Australian invasion of Iraq.

Shitloads of civilians would get killed, people would be outraged at the US, but in the west, it'd be the sort of outrage which flares up on internet sites and doesn't do much else.
 

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You do realize that America has emergency time oil reserves, right? If it comes to that, they will crack it up and drill there to supply the demand. If you really think that America is THAT f*cked if it attacks Iran, I suppose they'd have to switch to a war economy like Post Pearl Harbor but I SERIOUSLY DOUBT IT.
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Why? Because Saudi Arabia is selling their merchandise. Kuwait is selling their merchandise (There are also numerous american military bases in Kuwait) and they won't allow Iran to take over their revenue. Just so you'd know, America had already completed a trade with Saudi Arabia where they sold them about 70 F-15 planes... They are getting ready for a fight.
 

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timb69 said:
I'd host a family guy "sexy" party whilst wearing a monocle. cos war is stupid.
It's the most efficient and conclusive peace-making process yet devised by mankind.

Want to know why Iran would lose? Come to think of it, why it's so pissed at the USA at all?



Each star is a US military base.
 

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Danny Ocean said:
timb69 said:
I'd host a family guy "sexy" party whilst wearing a monocle. cos war is stupid.
It's the most efficient and conclusive peace-making process yet devised by mankind.

Want to know why Iran would lose? Come to think of it, why it's so pissed at the USA at all?



Each star is a US military base.
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Don't forget that NATO is going to set up missle launchers in the Turkish eastern Border, within rage of Iran. It's the cold war all over again, but this time we aren't sure who the enemy is...
Will Russia and China provide support like the Americans did in Afghanistan?
 

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rhizhim said:
JesterRaiin said:
Saucycardog said:
What do you guys think? Would Iran put up a fight? Would any other countries get involved?
Well, if the great Soviet States of America will attack, win (of course), spread democracy, love, and flowers all over Imperialistic Iran in matter of month or so.

The spice must flow the blood of innocents too, but who cares. Life is cheap, resources aren't.
as long as its not american blood, you mean.
the people in iran know that their leader is a retarded hurp dur derp.
Oh yes. Wage wars far away from your land, command mercenaries or allied armies. Pay with other peoples money. That's the way to victory...

As for Iran :

Which one of these gentlemen is true power ?
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.379894!/img/httpImage/image.jpg
http://ghadry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/khameini_02.jpg

TheIronRuler said:
You do realize that America has emergency time oil reserves, right?
Sir, i wouldn't call it mere "emergency reserves". ;)
 

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JesterRaiin said:
rhizhim said:
JesterRaiin said:
Saucycardog said:
What do you guys think? Would Iran put up a fight? Would any other countries get involved?
Well, if the great Soviet States of America will attack, win (of course), spread democracy, love, and flowers all over Imperialistic Iran in matter of month or so.

The spice must flow the blood of innocents too, but who cares. Life is cheap, resources aren't.
as long as its not american blood, you mean.
the people in iran know that their leader is a retarded hurp dur derp.
Oh yes. Wage wars far away from your land, command mercenaries or allied armies. Pay with other peoples money. That's the way to wage wars...

As for Iran :

Which one of this gentelmen is true power ?
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.379894!/img/httpImage/image.jpg
http://ghadry.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/khameini_02.jpg

TheIronRuler said:
You do realize that America has emergency time oil reserves, right?
Sir, i wouldn't call it mere "emergency reserves". ;)
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Th religious leader holds the power, not the president. He can veto the president easily.
I was talking about the emergency oil reserves America has lying under the surface because the first few posts were talking about apocalyptic scenarios of 50$ per galleon.
 

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TheIronRuler said:
JesterRaiin said:
As for Iran :

Which one of this gentelmen is true power ?

TheIronRuler said:
You do realize that America has emergency time oil reserves, right?
Sir, i wouldn't call it mere "emergency reserves". ;)
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Th religious leader holds the power, not the president. He can veto the president easily.
I was talking about the emergency oil reserves America has lying under the surface because the first few posts were talking about apocalyptic scenarios of 50$ per galleon.
As for rulers - exactly. Mahmoud Ahmadinejad is the president, but that's only because he is useful and does nothing against the will of religious leaders. True power lies elsewhere, not in his pocket.

As for reserves : those we - the world knows about. Despite some really weird actions of USAs regime i don't believe they are stupid enough to uncover all their potential and by that i mean both firepower and resources. :)
 

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If a conventional war breaks out with Iran as the aggressor I believe that they will be destroyed and that the Americans will withdraw rapidly to avoid looking like an occupying force. A regime of moderates would probably be established and tensions in the region would cool. (Most folks don't realize that the majority of Iranians are young and that loyalty isn't solid amongst these, though hostility between the government and the populace isn't at boiling point either)

If the US invaded then the whole of Iran would be united behind the government, being proven right at 30 years of propaganda that the US was just waiting for a chance to destroy their country, a guerilla war would develop within a week of US troops moving into the place and it would remain firmly in place until the US fled, whereupon a very hardline regime would come into power and tensions in the region would be at boiling point for the next 20 years at least.

Former would include NATO intervention, latter would include another coalition of the willing with far slimmer pickings than what was available for Iraq.

WMDs would probably be employed in both scenarios by the Iranians but it would be on a tactical level and they would be the ones to hurt the most.
 

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When the USA and Iran goto war it won't really solve anything. But the profits to defense contractors reeling from budget cuts right now, would skyrocket. Its not really a question of IF they goto war but when.
 

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Saucycardog said:
With all this talk about rising tensions between the US and Iran, it got me thinking about if war broke out.

What do you guys think? Would Iran put up a fight? Would any other countries get involved?
a big frocking nuclear winter


Probably


Because the U.S are afraid to nuclear bomb Iran, Iran is afraid of jackshit so when they go to war, Iran will nuke anything americany in reach and the U.S will feel provoked and bomb the shit out of everything that moves


Hence nuclear winter
 

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Well, it depends on what the objectives of said war was. If the US just wants to keep the Straight of Hormuz open, then yeah, they could easily do that since the rest of the Gulf Nations want to keep it open and dislike Iran immensely (seriously - Saudi Arabia? Oman? UAE? All of them HATE, HATE, HATE Iran with a passion and would co-operate with the US just to spite Iran). Plus, Iran's Navy is junk. It has no blue-water capability and it's mostly armed with surplus, ageing, obsolete Soviet-era weapons that the Russians sold to them as a joke. Iran has absolutely no capability to defend its ships against either the US Navy or the US Airforce, or, for that matter, the airforce and navy of its gulf-state enemies. The US might not even have to directly attack - it'll just give a couple of bombs to Saudi Arabia and let them do the work (which they would be very eager and happy to do. No joke: Saudi Arabia hates Iran and would be all too glad to blow up some Iranian ships. You have no idea how much they hate each other).

If you're talking about a full-scale invasion to depose the leader, then it'll go like Iraq. They could easily topple the Iranian Government since Iran's military isn't very strong and the people have no real love for Ahmadinejad. But the US certainly couldn't stay and Iran would descend into chaos with supporters of the Supreme Leader (different guy than Ahmadinejad) and supporters of the "green" opposition. But make no mistake: neither group would let the US stay or be happy with them. Sure, Iranians dislike their own government immensely - but it's a mistake to believe that they'd welcome the US with open arms. They are just as mistrustful (and rightly so!) of the US as they are of their own leaders. You have to be a cynic to stay sane in the Middle East, and most Iranians would view the US invasion with the uttermost cynicism. They'd be very mistrustful, or hostile, to the US.

While the US could certainly rain down bombs on Iran, it can't make Iran in its own image or install a puppet government. If Iran did try to close the Straight of Hormuz (which they've threatened to do before and they've never done except briefly during the Iran/Iraq War), then the world community would descend on Iran with the fury of a thousand suns. As much as the Chinese and the Russians love to stick their finger in Uncle Sam's Eye, they won't tolerate a halt in the flow of gulf oil. No nation will tolerate that, and they'd allow the US to do whatever it wanted to get the oil flowing.

But there's not going to be a war. The Iranian government isn't insane. Believe me, if they thought their army could go toe-to-toe with the US, they'd have invaded Iraq and attacked Saudi Arabia by now. They desperately want to. But they know their army has almost no offensive capability. They can defend themselves against their neighbours, but they know that if they tried to attack, they'd be decimated by NATO, The Saudis or even the Iraqis themselves. I'll tell you this straight up: Iran's most "advanced" jet fighter is a fleet of ageing F-14's that they can't even use anymore since they can't get spare parts. That's right: Iran's most advanced air fighter is from 1970 and they can't even get them operational. Iran has produced it's own domestic air-craft, but every military analyst has stated that it's just a clone of the old F-4 Phantom, a plane so ludicrously out-of-date that it'd be barely a threat. Iran doesn't have the logistics, technical infrastructure or industry to maintain and operate a decent air-force. Their planes are ageing or obsolete, and they have virtually no capability to replace them once they are destroyed. Their pilots have decent training but would be smart enough to abandon base in the event of a real war, as any attempt they'd make at fighting the US air force would be suicide.

The Iranians know that they could offer up stern guerilla and urban war-fare resistance. No, they know they can't "beat" the US conventionally, but they are content to know that if the US ever invaded, they'd make the US bleed. While Iran is no threat to its neighbours or the world community (until they get a bomb, and then that's a different story), don't make the mistake of assuming that any invasion would be "easy". Any invasion of Iran would be even more difficult and chaotic than the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

But as I've said: There's going to be no more. This is saber-rattling on Iran's part. They are making a big show and making provocative statements, because that's what they do. It's part of the game. They also said, about 2 months ago, that they'd send their fleet to blockade the US coast, which was a claim so laughable that no one paid attention to it. The US absolutely does not want to Invade Iran (they still remember how Iraq went down) and the Iranians are not stupid enough to think that they'd win in a conventional war waged outside its own borders (they'd be absolutely MASSACRED if they tried).
 

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Azhrarn-101 said:
Colour-Scientist said:
I think asking if Iran would put up a fight is an extremely slly question. They're not just going to lay down and let America fuck them.

I don't think America would be able to go to war against them. It doesn't seem as though they could financially sustain it and the public support wouldn't be as plentiful as ten years ago. I'm not American but most people seem war-weary and they should be. America just got out of one, prolonged war, they have hopefully learned not to jump straight into another one which will likely be just as messy.
And lack of funds stopped US politicians since when? :p
They'll just print some more, like they always have.
If a Republican wins the next election (which is unlikely, what with their candidates being either stupid or insane), then chances are pretty high that you'll be at war with Iran before the first year of that president is over.
Heck, all the military contractors will be lining up to "convince" politicians that there's a threat in Iran. War is how they keep their ridiculous revenue going after all.
Idk, tho the republican canditates are either stupid or insane, a lot of people are feeling kind of jilted by Obama's leadership. The signing of the NDAA bill was kinda a turning point for me, I would probably be voting for Ron Paul now if it weren't for the fact that he's a bit of a nutjob. I just feel like we are politically screwed from all sides..
 

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Asclepion said:
Saucycardog said:
With all this talk about rising tensions between the US and Iran, it got me thinking about if war broke out.

What do you guys think? Would Iran put up a fight? Would any other countries get involved?

Working under the assumption that there is a war, my opinion.

Nuclear:
Mutually assured destruction.


Non-nuclear:

1: The US could absolutely devastate Iran in short order. We could bring overwhelming firepower and quickly reduce it to "small skirmishes".

2: Those small skirmishes would be wide spread all over the Persian Gulf and it would have a devastating effect on the US economy.

3: The citizenry would be living in a police state for a period of time and be dealing in the rural areas with survival of the fittest (something the Iranians have a lot of experience at).

4: From the southern half of Hamadan across to Mashad and all areas south it would be close to total anarchy.
I doubt they would be able to produce enough nukes to make a significant impact, and do they even have any long-range missiles to launch at the US? I think if they did develop nuclear weapons, we would probably go into an all out attack to crush them before they could produce significant arms (this all coming right out my ass with no major research)
 

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Saucycardog said:
With all this talk about rising tensions between the US and Iran, it got me thinking about if war broke out.

What do you guys think? Would Iran put up a fight? Would any other countries get involved?
Do you mean a major war i.e. another world war or just another pissing contest under the guise of war?
 

tthor

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Korolev said:
Well, it depends on what the objectives of said war was. If the US just wants to keep the Straight of Hormuz open, then yeah, they could easily do that since the rest of the Gulf Nations want to keep it open and dislike Iran immensely (seriously - Saudi Arabia? Oman? UAE? All of them HATE, HATE, HATE Iran with a passion and would co-operate with the US just to spite Iran). Plus, Iran's Navy is junk. It has no blue-water capability and it's mostly armed with surplus, ageing, obsolete Soviet-era weapons that the Russians sold to them as a joke. Iran has absolutely no capability to defend its ships against either the US Navy or the US Airforce, or, for that matter, the airforce and navy of its gulf-state enemies. The US might not even have to directly attack - it'll just give a couple of bombs to Saudi Arabia and let them do the work (which they would be very eager and happy to do. No joke: Saudi Arabia hates Iran and would be all too glad to blow up some Iranian ships. You have no idea how much they hate each other).

If you're talking about a full-scale invasion to depose the leader, then it'll go like Iraq. They could easily topple the Iranian Government since Iran's military isn't very strong and the people have no real love for Ahmadinejad. But the US certainly couldn't stay and Iran would descend into chaos with supporters of the Supreme Leader (different guy than Ahmadinejad) and supporters of the "green" opposition. But make no mistake: neither group would let the US stay or be happy with them. Sure, Iranians dislike their own government immensely - but it's a mistake to believe that they'd welcome the US with open arms. They are just as mistrustful (and rightly so!) of the US as they are of their own leaders. You have to be a cynic to stay sane in the Middle East, and most Iranians would view the US invasion with the uttermost cynicism. They'd be very mistrustful, or hostile, to the US.

While the US could certainly rain down bombs on Iran, it can't make Iran in its own image or install a puppet government. If Iran did try to close the Straight of Hormuz (which they've threatened to do before and they've never done except briefly during the Iran/Iraq War), then the world community would descend on Iran with the fury of a thousand suns. As much as the Chinese and the Russians love to stick their finger in Uncle Sam's Eye, they won't tolerate a halt in the flow of gulf oil. No nation will tolerate that, and they'd allow the US to do whatever it wanted to get the oil flowing.

But there's not going to be a war. The Iranian government isn't insane. Believe me, if they thought their army could go toe-to-toe with the US, they'd have invaded Iraq and attacked Saudi Arabia by now. They desperately want to. But they know their army has almost no offensive capability. They can defend themselves against their neighbours, but they know that if they tried to attack, they'd be decimated by NATO, The Saudis or even the Iraqis themselves. I'll tell you this straight up: Iran's most "advanced" jet fighter is a fleet of ageing F-14's that they can't even use anymore since they can't get spare parts. That's right: Iran's most advanced air fighter is from 1970 and they can't even get them operational. Iran has produced it's own domestic air-craft, but every military analyst has stated that it's just a clone of the old F-4 Phantom, a plane so ludicrously out-of-date that it'd be barely a threat. Iran doesn't have the logistics, technical infrastructure or industry to maintain and operate a decent air-force. Their planes are ageing or obsolete, and they have virtually no capability to replace them once they are destroyed. Their pilots have decent training but would be smart enough to abandon base in the event of a real war, as any attempt they'd make at fighting the US air force would be suicide.

The Iranians know that they could offer up stern guerilla and urban war-fare resistance. No, they know they can't "beat" the US conventionally, but they are content to know that if the US ever invaded, they'd make the US bleed. While Iran is no threat to its neighbours or the world community (until they get a bomb, and then that's a different story), don't make the mistake of assuming that any invasion would be "easy". Any invasion of Iran would be even more difficult and chaotic than the 2003 invasion of Iraq.

But as I've said: There's going to be no more. This is saber-rattling on Iran's part. They are making a big show and making provocative statements, because that's what they do. It's part of the game. They also said, about 2 months ago, that they'd send their fleet to blockade the US coast, which was a claim so laughable that no one paid attention to it. The US absolutely does not want to Invade Iran (they still remember how Iraq went down) and the Iranians are not stupid enough to think that they'd win in a conventional war waged outside its own borders (they'd be absolutely MASSACRED if they tried).
Tho Iran probably wouldn't be able to close the Straight of Hormuz, they could probably slow it and make it a real hassle for anyone passing through it. Iran may not have powerful battleships, but what they do have is fleets of small, armed boats, which going up against a US battleship would be like an armed man trying to fight off a swarm of bees; the bees certainly won't kill the man, but they will be able to sting him quite a few times, and annoy the man to no end, and who knows, with the armed man in such a panic to swat away the bees, it wouldn't be surprising for him to accidentally smack someone in the face in the process (ie: accidentally kill noncombatants mistaken for enemy ships), and that would cause a whole lot of trouble.

And I think the fact that Iran has so many enemies and is so defenseless is WHY they are so determined to get the bomb, despite the threat of growing sanctions from other countries; Other countries are threatening Iran so that Iran doesn't make the bomb, and Iran is making the bomb so that other countries can't threaten them. Kindof a vicious cycle.
 

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Zeren said:
The economic collapse of the US and Iran will happen.
and if the US economy collapsed, odds are China would follow, since they have so much invested in the US. and if China's economy collapsed, along with the US, odds are the whole world economy would start to crumble/collapse. Tho of course this is all if an Iran war would collapse the US economy, and tho it would hurt it, I don't think it'd destroy it.