Get stoned with him and read the bible. sounds like fun to me. maybe go to a gig or two. then see if god powers help pull women or not.
What would you do if Jesus turned out to be real and came back?
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No one would be able to kill Jesus and if for some odd reason they could outside of a plan he devised, they would be destroyed by the massive army of angels with his coming or of course, His Father who is Him.Caramel Frappe said:This Thread is ridiculous, with people wanting to kill Jesus (...seriously? You wouldn't kill a regular person but to kill Jesus to justify your morals?) Plus with the 'Jesus isn't real spite that more then half of the historians agree he existed'... there's only one thing to do now-
And yet you wouldn't be able to touch him as He is after all God and His Father is God and the Holy Spirit is Him.renegade7 said:
So you would have 0 chance and be caught in the flaming swords of his Seraphim.
Sounds like a great ending for you, if He came back in that way.
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Atheism and all that aside it should be noted that if for sake of argument we are "hating" Jesus for His and His Father's actions then we should obviously be looking at the facts of it for a proper case and the fact is that His sacrifice saved us all from eternal damnation from His father with the simple caveat that we accept that He did that for us and thus is the son of God.
You don't have to worship him to the highest degree nor change your entire being, merely accept in your heart that He sacrificed himself to save you as you were worth it and that by that act he did so as the son of God therefore giving it power.
So... technically you hate him for giving you all a chance at redemption EVEN THOSE who were already dead.
I'm going to break this up, since there's a lot.
On the other hand, most people are content to retain their childhood faith without question, no matter how absurd it is, hence the Jesuit motto Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man. It is due to this phenomenon of human nature that Bertrand Russel invoked his Teapot thought experiment [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russel%27s_teapot]. This, however, demonstrates the failing of faith, which is: it's personal. Your faith in the supernatural is as meaningless to me as my trust in the natural, so we have to find evidence in the real world to create common ground.
That said, as a reasonable rationalist, I don't expect solid proof of Jesus, though some archeological evidence of the existence of Jeshua bin Josef would certainly help validate Christianity, as would historical evidence other than the bible. Comparitively, the slaying of Medusa by Perseus [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseus] is far better documented, and I doubt you argue with the skepticism we hold today regarding the more colorful interpretations of that story (e.g. that Medusa was a gorgon so hideous her direct visage turned onlookers to stone, oh and that Perseus was the son of Neptune, or Oceanus).
If Jesus is accepted as the son of a god with so little evidence, why not Perseus? If Perseus is rejected (by some from existing, by others as being only a mortal man), how does Jesus get a free pass?
I don't, of course, expect you to have an answer. But it is certainly food for thought.
More later.
238U.
In the age of the internet, being merely nineteen doesn't necessarily excuse you (or anyone) for ignorance regarding the controversies that surround your own faith.[footnote]Indeed, the reverse isn't true; young earth creationists are always busy searching for embarrassments of evolution, geology and cosmology all of which contradict biblical scientific proclamations. Sadly, they focus more on misrepresentations (e.g. Photoshopping together chimera to ridicule transitional species [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitional_species]) rather than actual unanswered questions.[/footnote] I don't expect you to have answers for me (as a perpetual student I've studied the opinions of many a scholar, myself), but I would expect you to know that the controversies exist, and cannot be merely explained away by the obvious.Caramel Frappe said:
On the other hand, most people are content to retain their childhood faith without question, no matter how absurd it is, hence the Jesuit motto Give me a child until he is seven and I will give you the man. It is due to this phenomenon of human nature that Bertrand Russel invoked his Teapot thought experiment [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russel%27s_teapot]. This, however, demonstrates the failing of faith, which is: it's personal. Your faith in the supernatural is as meaningless to me as my trust in the natural, so we have to find evidence in the real world to create common ground.
That said, as a reasonable rationalist, I don't expect solid proof of Jesus, though some archeological evidence of the existence of Jeshua bin Josef would certainly help validate Christianity, as would historical evidence other than the bible. Comparitively, the slaying of Medusa by Perseus [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perseus] is far better documented, and I doubt you argue with the skepticism we hold today regarding the more colorful interpretations of that story (e.g. that Medusa was a gorgon so hideous her direct visage turned onlookers to stone, oh and that Perseus was the son of Neptune, or Oceanus).
If Jesus is accepted as the son of a god with so little evidence, why not Perseus? If Perseus is rejected (by some from existing, by others as being only a mortal man), how does Jesus get a free pass?
I don't, of course, expect you to have an answer. But it is certainly food for thought.
More later.
238U.
"Huh. So Jesus is real. Ah, well that's good, then."
Then I'd go back to doing what I was doing.
Then I'd go back to doing what I was doing.
Well I'd imagine that during the second coming my schedule would be distributed slightly so I don't know. Probably being judged and what-not. Of course I'd probably wind up going to hell if only for laughing at all the militant atheists as they realize that they really, really bet on the wrong horse.
These texts you refer to do not prove a historical Jesus existed. They simply mention a cult centred around a Christ, and vaguely describe their beliefs. It's also worth noting that this is from decades after he supposedly lived.rancher of monsters said:
You speak as though 'G-d did it' is the only possible answer, despite the fact that raises a plethora of questions itself. Not to mention the tremendous leap it takes to go from a first cause to something as specific as the Christian god.Caramel Frappe said:
Hell he wasn't happy with the way they temple of worship was being run 2000+ years ago.Mark Flanagan said:
He'd have an aneurysm if he saw the religious institution now.
Fervently hope that Jesus's father has gotten some anger management classes and doesn't decide to send billions of innocent people to a fate of eternal agony...
Jesus: Look, no, sorry, I'm not all peace love understanding anymore. Now I will not hide my holyness and righteousness, some of you fuckers are going to hell. Why? We'll I tried being nice and you nailed me to a fucking cross! First time, I was gay. Now I'm a hillbilly filled with hate. I got a shotgun, a dog, a ford pickup with a bigblock under the dash. I'M MAD AS HELL!
Well concerning the Big Bang Argument, I think Stephen Hawkings put it best. All of the universe being isolated into one tiny sub-atomic particle acted as its own catalyst due to the nature of protons and electrons to spontaneously appear and disappear from existence.Cakes said:
That would definitely fall under Schrodinger's Uncertainty Principle... I could be wrong. Please correct me if I am.
Hehehe Reminds me of a Funny Story my friend told me.SaneAmongInsane said:
Apparently Aliens had finally landed on earth and came in peace.
A preacher then walked up to the aliens to greet them and asked. "Have you heard of the Lord Jesus Christ my interstellar brethren?"
"Why yes we have" said the Aliens, he visited our planet before yours. We greeted him with gifts, flowers and candy. What did you get him?"
XD
I have no idea what the real Jesus was like. Everything that's written about him in the new testament was written decades after his death and compiled into today's bible in the 4th century. Every text about his life that was not fitting to the goal of making christianity as appealing as possible to the mithraists in central europe and the followers of sol invictus in the heartlands of the roman empire was purged because emperor Contantine did not need apocryph texts to weaken the mortar he needed to hold together his freshly reunited empire. Only little remains of what didn't make the cut back then.
So I'll just hope that my constant trying of being a decent human being will save me from endless hell despite me being an agnostic atheist.
So I'll just hope that my constant trying of being a decent human being will save me from endless hell despite me being an agnostic atheist.
I'm just looking for clarification on this.Delsana said:
God was going to damn all of our souls to eternal hell, but then He came 'down', as Jesus, and told us that if we just believe in Him, He won't damn all of us to eternal hell after all. So God basically went "see? I'll set up this glorious sacrifice, and it IS a set up, because I am in COMPLETE control of the situation at all times, so you can believe in me, and I don't have to punish all of you!"
Is that right?
But on topic, I'm not sure I'd enjoy talking to the Jesus from the Bible- aside from not speaking the same language, that is. He had a great deal of arrogance at times, and I'm rather tired of always feeling like I have to deferr to people who assume authority at all times on all things.
Maybe he'd like to paint with me?
If he was the supernatural entity slash son- of- God, he might enjoy the act of creation on a more humble, more intimate and personal scale.
Relaxing.
But not carpentry- that seems like work to me.
Oh! maybe he'd like to play Pathfinder with my group. I'd encourage him to try a half- orc barbarian, or an elven ranger. Because, well, it seems like he has the whole cleric thing locked down. And maybe not so lawfull- good... that might be fun.
I'd be flattered if He came to visit me, but probably not as much as a Christian would be. In fact, I'd be a little confused.
We could have veggie chili for dinner. I bet it is alot like some of the dishes that were eaten in the old days- like a hearty stew. or something.
At some point I'd ask him if the other Gods would be sending representatives, or is this just a monotheistic visitation, or does this fit into the Bible somehow... But I'd try to steer the conversation in other directions if he was hesitant. After all, I'm not a Christian.
You know that feeling you get when you'be been arguing your point and you suddenly realise your wrong? That.
Followed by some crazy repenting.
Followed by some crazy repenting.