whats people's problem

[OmniscientOstrich]

With furries I think it's a similar thing to bronies (as it happens I'm both) in that there is a certain subsection within each fandom that feel the need to bring up their interests completely out of turn. And to a degree I sympathise with people who are sick of threads being spammed with gifs and the like, I mean if IRL someone never shut up about a particular TV show they were into and brought it up at every turn I'd be pretty exasperated with them as well. But my point would be that people have a distate for certain bronies or furries not because of their interest but because they're obnoxious and in some cases harbouring some kind of persecution complex. The fact that the term 'fursecution' exists is fucking ridiculous and anyone inferring that being derided for indulging in a certain form of escapism is tantamount to bigotry is a fucking idiot and you're really not helping us look any better. Another problem is that furry is kind of an umbrella term; referring to anything from people who simply have a fascination with anthropomorphic characters in media, people who like to make/view artwork, people who like to make/view erotic art work, people who like to roleplay, those who like a sense of community and of course the fursuiters. This both means a lot of people automatically think that anyone identifying under the label is into the more raunchy aspects and that a fair amount of people feel the need to try and clearly distance themselves from those that are so as not to freak people out. This to me really seems like a cop out and only creatives division among some of the few people with whom you might have some solidarity with on this issue, if you're going to be a fan of something than you have to be willing to acknowledge the less desirable aspects of that fanbase and let people simply judge you by the content of your character rather than whatever internet culture you're a part of and if people like you for who you are anyway then it really shouldn't matter. That said of course there some people who just find it super icky, though it's usually stemming from some false equivalency with beastiality (I'd get into why that's retarded but I'm rambling as it is) and will have solidified their convictions regardless of who they encounter that might refute their preconceived notions, though at the end of the day I have a hard time understanding why people get hung up about what others do in their private lives. Anyway, that's something approaching my two cents on the thing.

 

[MrHide-Patten]

When I hear the term 'furry', I think of Robin Williams.

 

[elvor0]

I think it's because a lot of people equate it to beastality, or loli to paedophilia which I suppose if you're not used to that sort of thing, would be the semi-logical route. Obviously it isn't but most people don't really... venture places that they would be exposed to the more "stranger" fetishes of the internet.

To be honest I don't care, whatever floats your boat, I'm sure most people would find some of my interests "very strange" because it's not "the norm", which to be fair, even I can see as strange.

And yeah... furry really isn't a horrible world, most people use it, saying "oh only call me Anthro, because furry is like ******" makes you look like a massive cock.

 

[Section Crow]

To be frank, if you tell people your sexual preferences on the internet your bound to get mocked, and i doubt most people 'hate' furries, probably just dipshits taking stabs for a laugh aka trolling out of boredom or maybe just looking for an argument.

On the topic of furries, i'm not sure if i have met one IRL but i know a guy who makes the... material shall we say.

 

[krazykidd]

Spoiler: I blame Sonic fans

Okay, not really. But much as with any fetish, there are members who give the rest a bad name. Unfortunately, furries (which is not a derogatory term for them) tend to attract more than a few people prone to excessive personality in regards to their fandom. I'll actually contradict TimeLord, and guess that it isn't people fearing what they don't understand, more that furries tend to eschew so many things that the rest of us take as normal that pretty much anyone not in the fandom will be put off by something.

My philosophy toward kinks has always been "whatever floats your boat". But the most common examples of the furry fandom that most non-fans are exposed to are the extreme ends of the weirdness spectrum, it tends to pollute opinion a bit. I'm glad I know a few less extreme examples of the fandom, even if that particular kink is in no way for me.

That is the funniest thing iv'e seen all day . It's funny because it's true ... Also that mental image of sonic and knuckles made me throw up a bit in my mouth .

OT: What ? People judging other people? Surely you jest!

 

[JerryTerry]

Despite not being into it myself, I'm completely fine with furries. But I can definitely understand some people's disgust towards the sexual side of it.
I mean, it's anthropomorphic animals. Animals. Most people see bestiality as disgusting. There's obviously a line that people draw somewhere between 'regular' sexuality and bestiality (Ranging from anywhere between a catgirl fetish to barely-human wolfmen), it's just that some people draw that line further than others. It's the same line-drawing process that takes place with pretty much every aspect of sexuality, be it gender, age, or species.

Of course, if you defend furries with justifications such as "as long as they're not hurting anyone, it's fine", or "People just don't understand", you are a complete hypocrite if you condemn any other fetish or sexual attraction (barring dangerous/harmful ones such as active paedophilia, obviously). People who're sexually attracted to actual dogs, or enjoy lolicon, or even scat. Yeah, I find all of that pretty disgusting, but I guess I 'just don't understand'.
(You may have interpreted that as me saying "don't defend furries, or you're defending lolicon and bestiality". That's not what I meant - I meant, if you defend one perfectly-safe-yet-deviant fetish, you have to defend them all. If this had been a "what's wrong with lolicon/bestiality/toaster-humping" thread, I'm sure the responses would have been much less positive)

Also, while we're on the subject, what's the deal with the general alienation of sexual attraction to MLP characters? Again, totally not into that stuff (in before "methinks you doth protest too much"), but the consensus seems to be that 'clopping' is generally frowned upon, and the brony community is often quick to compartmentalise them as the 'black sheep of the fandom'. It's essentially just stylized anthropomorphic animals, so why are furries so much more accepted?

 

[The Thinker]

What a minute, if we're going to call "furries" "anthros", then what will we call people who are turned on by anthropomorphized concepts (such as Death, Math, Hope, etc.)? You've got to think of these things before just renaming stuff, man! [/facetiousness]

OT: Assuming we're talking about yiffers, for the same reason some people hate gays?

"They want to do what with a what?!"

It's the same thing with the LGBT community. Now it's like the QLAYVUGGTAYTBT community. No offense to anyone that is, but I'm not going to remember any of that besides Gay/Lesbian/Transexual because I really don't care what you are unless I'm trying to sleep with you.

While that is a fine and noble attitude, may I suggest the acronym "QUILTBAG"? It stands for Queer/Questioning Unidentified Intersex Lesbian Transsexual/Transvetite Bisexual Asexual Gay. I think.

 

[Muspelheim]

Well, most people don't hate furries. Most probably assume that equals fursuitin' it up and going all CSI on each other, sure, but I doubt there's really alot of people that actively hate furries, considering all the other weird groups there is on the internet.

And of those who claim to hate furries, there's usually three groups:

-Good ol' trolls that have found a neverending source of jollities to the minimum amount of effort.

-All-round moral guardians or people who can't deal with things they don't get.

-People who want to justify their teenage rape hentai to themselves.

And let's be perfectly honest here... The furry community has a fair share of absolute drama queens... The trolls latched sight on this particular group for a reason. Most possible raegflam for least possible effort.

And honestly, equating it to issues such as racism and violent homophobia isn't helping... Fursecution shouldn't be a word. And remember; if someone says "yiff in hell i will find u n kill u furfag!!1" to you on the internet, keep in mind that it's as good as impossible for him to actually carry out that threat, even if he really means it. He's likely not even of age to drive, and probably on another continent.

Am I a furry? Well, I like anthro characters, and do draw them myself, but I'd never be caught dead in a fursuit. It's a bit too deep down the pit for me. I guess I'm a borderline case, eh? What does the jury here on ol' Escapist say?

But just in case the rest of my post is just noise and letters to you, let me just make one thing clear:

Fursecution is not real. Comparing it to real persecution and social issues is why furries in general aren't very liked. And for heaven's sake, don't be trollfood.

 

[Overusedname]

I suppose it's because everyone assumes they're all sexual about it. Which I know many are not.

If they are sexual about it, then you should keep that to sites where that's appropriate.

The fetish isn't 'wrong'. No one can control what they're aroused by, but there seems to be a stupid minority that loves rubbing the sexual stuff in people's faces and use some...questionable avatars.

That's when it's a little uncomfortable.

If your avatar is of a fox wearing a tee-shirt, that shouldn't offend anyone.

If it's a horse with human breasts about to burst out of a bra, I can understand if people have a bad reaction.

It's a vocal minority problem.

 

[Vault101]

Some people just find them weird. I find people who watch obscure Japenese anime with questionable content weird, I wouldn't reach for my hazard suit if I met one IRL, let alone on the Internet though.

define questionable?

because unless its somthing truly niche/bizare then the usual sex/nudity/violence isn't anymore weird just becasue its in Anime form

 

[SciMal]

and you should do well to do the reverse. in the aforementioned message boards, you will see no-one, or obscenely dis-proportional numbers of people defending furries. when someone can receive so much ire for just who they are, and nobody bats an eye, that's a problem. that's a mentality of "they've always been picked on, who am i to challenge that".

The OP provided absolutely no examples for why they felt ostracized or hated. The OP's sole complaint was how 'Furry' felt like an insulting slang term to them, and that they preferred 'Anthros.' You have provided an example, and one where I agree there's a problem.

when a group of people become accepted punching bags, there is a real problem, and people like you...

Uh, I'm sorry? Was I making fun of anybody? Anywhere in what I said did I demean the OP for being a furry?

Fuck no, and fuck you for not asking for clarification on any of my statements or asking me to elaborate.

You ***** at me for being biased against people, but don't have a single problem instantly turning the tables.

...who go around making fun of people because they have a gall to stand up to their attackers, claiming "persecution complexes" are NOT helping.

I didn't make fun of the OP, I answered their questions. People have a bias against the unfamiliar. That isn't speculation; it's fact. It's a reaction, one billions of years old. Tolerance is a sign of the advancement of civilization for a reason. I told the OP as much, and that they shouldn't mistake hatred (the genuine desire to inflict pain or see another in pain) for apathy (I don't keep up with esoteric internet groups, so how could I have known you prefer 'Anthros' instead of 'Furries' when all I've heard was furries?).

before you can say that i need thicker skin, please know that i have it.

Congratulations on making it into a healthy adulthood. Everybody needs at least some skin, and I'll agree the line between slur and ignorance is occasionally ambiguous - but that's what the skin is for.

It doesn't help that lashing out isn't the right way to do things for either side, which the OP doesn't seem to realize.

i don't care what people call me, and until people start actually being violent, i can say that i don't give a fuck what you think in real life, to your face.

Apparently you do, otherwise you would not have written the next bit. I'm not saying it's bad you do - caring about the opinions of others is perfectly natural, but you're the one accusing me of actions I have not performed without confirming your suspicions before launching into a hypocritical reply.

however, i cannot stand idle as people are hated for who they are, because i do know that feeling, and it's not pleasant.

Almost everybody has to some extent. That's part of growing up; realizing people aren't all that different. You can wax dramatically about your experiences, but with few exceptions I can guarantee you I've experienced something similar (and in some cases, much worse).

perhaps all of you shouting "persecution complex" could stand a few years being universally hated for what you can't change.

Well, I'm going to say this matter-of-factly: Fetishes can change. Unlike skin color (and almost certainly sexual orientation), sexual fetishes are almost always constructs based on the cultural norms of the time period filtered through personal interpretation. I'm not saying they always change, but they most certainly can (and do) change. Do not make the mistake of equating a fetish (being a furry, here) to being born with dark skin or gay. They are not equal, and nobody will consider them equal unless science says otherwise.

That does not mean it's okay to belittle or persecute people with a harmless fetish solely for having that fetish. However, look back at the OP's post... The OP is talking specifically about a thing ("Anthro" instead of "Furry") that 99% of the world couldn't possibly know, and that even denizens of the internet who frequents fetish sites probably wouldn't know. The OP is equating the use of the word 'Furry' instead of 'Anthro' - already ambiguous to begin with - to ******. To ******, a word used to denote slaves who were hunted down and hung for centuries. The two aren't comparable, period.

Then the OP goes on about how Humans (as if the OP isn't human) hate things different from us, and how the OP hates people. The OP is a person. There's no logical argument, no appeal to any form of rationale or evidence for the OP's point. I'm not a Psychologist, I don't know enough about the Persecution Complex to diagnose anyone with it, but from a basic debate-oriented standpoint the OP fails and fails HARD.

Without an inherent argument to the post, all the OP is doing is whining. Whining at anonymous people on the internet about how much their life sucks and how they dislike the people that make their life shitty.

Welcome. To. Life. It's what you make of it. Now, if the OP comes back with a story about their persecution, some sort of evidence to verify that their quibbles over the use of "Furry" instead of "Anthro" had some validity - that's different. That's being a logical, rational person.

 

[Aris Khandr]

when a group of people become accepted punching bags, there is a real problem, and people like you who go around making fun of people because they have a gall to stand up to their attackers, claiming "persecution complexes" are NOT helping.

before you can say that i need thicker skin, please know that i have it. i don't care what people call me, and until people start actually being violent, i can say that i don't give a fuck what you think in real life, to your face. however, i cannot stand idle as people are hated for who they are, because i do know that feeling, and it's not pleasant. perhaps all of you shouting "persecution complex" could stand a few years being universally hated for what you can't change.

Been there, done that. Learned discretion. 90% of the time, when I hear people complaining about "fursecution", it means "people think my fetish is weird, but I'm not bright enough to shut up about it." In general, nobody cares if your avatar is a foxgirl in a t-shirt. Heck, for a while last year my avatar was Cheetara because I was really into the new ThunderCats. No one cares. It's when people don't learn to keep things to themselves that they tend to run into problems. I don't talk about my fetishes on inappropriate sites. That's pretty much expected. If you start violating that expectation, you should expect to be judged for it.

 

[SciMal]

forgive me, as i wasn't addressing the OP specifically. what i was, however, addressing was that there was beginning to be a disturbing number of people claiming that furries have a persecution complex, and should stop whining. my post was not directed solely at you, but the one statement of your's i quoted summed up the mentality i take exception to the best, which is why i discarded the rest of your post.

Hrm. Just make your posts clearer in the future.

i've never known of people willing themselves into having or not having fetishes. yes, fetishes change in the same way the tides change, they are not static, but i would have a hard time saying that people can change the tides and i would hope you would agree.

I didn't say it was easy, but the way you wrote your post (or perhaps just the way I interpreted it) you were comparing having a fetish to being gay or having dark skin. The latter trait is biologically inherited, the second to last is probably a mix of odd sexuality distinctions of the modern era and biology combined, and the former is not biological in any way.

You can't equate to the two. There are very few traits that people find sexually attractive across cultures, and most of the world doesn't even know what a 'furry' is.

excuse me? while not generic, to my knowledge, fetish defines a person just as much as skin color or orientation. not to the outside world, obviously, but what that person enjoys and who they feel they are for enjoying that is not some light switch like mechanism. claiming anything to the contrary would reveal a great lack of understanding of how deeply sexuality plays into the human experience.

You are born with a skin color. You are not born with a fetish. You will be judged for both by other people. One can change. The other will not. Sure, both can play into how you define your personality and your internal conception of who you are - but they're not on the same level.

One is part of your biology that will end up affecting your psychology. The other is purely psychological. It's the difference between being persecuted for what you are and what you believe.

reply if you must, just know i won't reply, or even read it

First you insult me, disregard a significant portion of my argument, and then run away from the issue without so much as a civil discussion.

Not a good example, I'll say.

 

[Tsun Tzu]

I was under the impression that "furry" simply meant someone who enjoyed or created anthropomorphic artwork.

It's not necessarily sexual, nor is it limited to wanking in a fursuit (that's a small subset of a much larger community that's, honestly, quite weird in any context) or producing erotica related to cat women.

The monicker itself is generally accepted as being self-imposed, regardless. I don't consider myself a "furry", but enjoy the concept of anthropomorphized characters. I also find some of them attractive. I don't have a thing for animals either.

Personally, I blame Disney.

 

[OmniscientOstrich]

snip

Are you incensed, dear sir?

(Pro tip: Don't announce your intention to troll literally 2 posts above your attempt to do so.)