Out of curiosity, what voice control features where they demonstrating at PAX? I had only heard they were bringing a selection of games, were they also allowing players to navigate menus, or whatnot? I just asked because you use your example of seeing both as an explanation as to how the Xbox's voice controls are more accurate than PlayStation's. So I'm assuming you got the opportunity to use voice controls for both? Where they game specific, or general navigation?HydroFire said:
Whats so bad about xbox one?
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http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/pax-aus-vs-comic-con-or-how-microsoft-showed-it-only-cares-about-the-us-market-1167784HydroFire said:
Not according to Techradar:
Microsoft themselves have a release saying that a customer available Xbox One is not coming to Oz until October [http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/aussies-will-get-hands-on-with-xbox-one-at-ebgames-expo-1167321]
It was asked if you had ever used them. Which you clearly haven't, considering that the first time they are playable is at the EB Games Expo 2013, which is considerably after PAX Australia.HydroFire said:
Oh gods that looked depressing, now I'm questioning whether or not to go to the Armageddon Expo if that was MS's best effort for the likes of PAX.yesbag said:Not to argue language semantics, but your statement was unclear.HydroFire said:yesbag said:HydroFire said:
I have no idea how this is relevant - explain using non-cryptic language please.
Actually, nevermind - this is a good reminder of me why I don't argue with children.
He said "and you've oviously played both of them already" and I said "yes, ever heard of pax?" Read better next time -_-
Beyond that, I doubt you are actually telling the truth:
http://www.techradar.com/news/gaming/consoles/pax-aus-vs-comic-con-or-how-microsoft-showed-it-only-cares-about-the-us-market-1167784
http://dustycartridge.com/features/pax-australia-2013-the-pointless-presence-of-microsoft/
Quote from the articles:
"There were no screens running trailers, no pictures of the console on the wall and not even a rogue Xbox 360 to entertain our thumbs at the Microsoft stand. A Microsoft rep even confirmed that the reason the stand was empty was because Microsoft only had the single console available, and needed to use that device to power the company's Xbox One keynotes at the event. {...} To rub salt in the wound, Microsoft did announce when Australians would be able to try the console for the first time: at the EB Games Expo in October there will be an abundance of Xbox One consoles for gamers to play. "
and
"For those with poor eyesight, or for those stuck in poor seats at the back of the main theatre, Microsoft had chosen select hours during the expo to display their console, not available for public play. Just one of them, safely ensconced inside a protective shell and behind a velvet rope. Like it were the damn Pope, or something. "
And I reitirate with more emphasis:
The only person outright lying, due to excessive brand loyalty around here, is you.
And to the OP, I know you need to convince yourself that you are correct (being a child and all) but all you are doing at this point is making a fool out of yourself.
Now that the xBox One's DRM is fixed, it's mainly the pointless $100 Kinect for no reason. But aside from that, nothing really. Although <a href=http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/127785-Developers-Say-Memory-Is-Faster-on-PS4-Than-Xbox-One>apparantly the PS4 is more powerful according to devs, make of that what you will.
Short version: Cuz it sucks.HydroFire said:
Long version: On its own, the Xbox One isn't a bad system, now that they've removed the most glaring of its issues. Matter of fact, if they'd remove the ridiculous Live Gold paywall between the user and 98% of the internet content, I would go so far as to call it pretty damn good on its own.
Unfortunately, it's not on its own. It has to compete. And it's primary competition is not only priced $100 less (supposedly because it doesn't force the user to also purchase a hardware addon that nobody asked for), but also performs better according to every report out there.
By every objective measure, it's an inferior console. The only way it could potentially be superior is in the game lineup, and that's very much a subjective thing. Personally, I'm a bit more interested in the Xbone's exclusive lineup, but it's not $100 extra interested.
You seem to confuse "None of these problem bother me" with "Everyone else should like it too".
Many of your responses to problems made it seem like you think I should make compromises for Microsoft so their product fits me.
That's not how it works. If someone selling something they have to give me reasons to want it. It's not a game of me having to think of negatives to avoid buying it.
Many of your responses to problems made it seem like you think I should make compromises for Microsoft so their product fits me.
That's not how it works. If someone selling something they have to give me reasons to want it. It's not a game of me having to think of negatives to avoid buying it.
I like to think that I coined the term Xboner about three microseconds after seeing the xbone's announcement. I know everyone else coined it just as fast, but I feel like I did it first.
Neither the ps4 or xbone will have kerbal space program so its all really a scrabble for second place, in my book.
Neither the ps4 or xbone will have kerbal space program so its all really a scrabble for second place, in my book.
Question for you, after going through this thread, were you being honest here, and just looking for an answer as to why everyone hates it, or is your actual intent to turn around and tell the people who answer your question why their wrong?HydroFire said:
It's not worse now, but it's 100 more expensive, comes with a camera no body wants, worse hardware as far as I'm aware and doesn't cater to gamers, mostly going for the all in one experience as they keep putting it. Also I think the PS4 gives more features without buying the PS+.
Also I don't know if it still has the problems of only being released in fewer countries and always online. Can't remember if they got rid of them.
And something you haven't seemed to grasp OP, you ask why people don't like it, they give you good reasons, shitty camera, worse specs etc etc. It doesn't matter if that's what you want, it's what other people don't what and that's what you're asking about. Your opinion really doesn't matter nor make theirs wrong. None of your science or arguing is really going to change that.
Also I don't know if it still has the problems of only being released in fewer countries and always online. Can't remember if they got rid of them.
And something you haven't seemed to grasp OP, you ask why people don't like it, they give you good reasons, shitty camera, worse specs etc etc. It doesn't matter if that's what you want, it's what other people don't what and that's what you're asking about. Your opinion really doesn't matter nor make theirs wrong. None of your science or arguing is really going to change that.
What's so bad about the PS4 that I should buy an Xbone?
Personally I see no reason to switch, costs more, not as powerful and doesn't have the games I want. It also uses an Xbox Controller, BLURRRRGH!
If however all your mates are buying Xbones and you like the exclusive franchises it's got, then more power to you. Doesn't mean I'm going to be throwing my money at Microsoft any time soon.
Personally I see no reason to switch, costs more, not as powerful and doesn't have the games I want. It also uses an Xbox Controller, BLURRRRGH!
If however all your mates are buying Xbones and you like the exclusive franchises it's got, then more power to you. Doesn't mean I'm going to be throwing my money at Microsoft any time soon.
You know what also has skype? My phone. My tablet. My computer. My laptop. My TV. My iPod. I'm saying I have a half dozen devices that run skype, I don't need my game console to do it. I got the game console to play games, MAYBE to get netflix on it for the TV. I don't need anything else.HydroFire said:
And as another commenter said, those voice commands don't work for those of us with accents. I'm Irish, I have to force myself to speak with a thick American accent to get most things to do a voice command and even then it doesn't work because I sound like someone doing an over the top Phil Hartman impersonation.
Here's the thing about it. The kinect would be fine if it were optional, but being tacked on and forced to be used is not what many people want. If they made it optional they could easily cut the price of the xbone to beat the PS4, but they won't. They've outright admitted the kinect costs as much as the entire console to make, so it's a pointless and expensive forced addition.
A. Steam is shit, as is any online DRM.
B. I don't see it as terrible, but it's inferior to the PS4 and WiiU. I judge consoles on the games. If the libraries are going to be similar to this gens, the PS4 is going to have the best games and the WiiU will have some fun games. Then there will be one title on the xbone I'll want, which does not make an entire console worth it.
B. I don't see it as terrible, but it's inferior to the PS4 and WiiU. I judge consoles on the games. If the libraries are going to be similar to this gens, the PS4 is going to have the best games and the WiiU will have some fun games. Then there will be one title on the xbone I'll want, which does not make an entire console worth it.
OP asks a question. Person answers question. OP ignores response and addresses claims that the person never made while handwaving legitimate responses.
Also, Xbone One will launch in 13 countries. PS4 will launch in 30. After looking over statistics for the last gen, I'd say this will not favor it for overall sales. PS3 had more sales in Europe than 360 did in every region not including North America combined. Figuring Brand loyalty, price, and the PR nightmare that Microsoft has to deal with, and I'd be willing to bet on a winner.
As for the Always Online, that has been fixed, but you still need to connect on Day One. Gotta get that patch to make it playable.
And yes, the only thing you need PS+ for is online play. Everything else is free. Hulu, Netflix, gameplay recording, and even several games are Free to Play online. These are all behind a paywall on Xbox One.
About the only game I think Xbox One might have on PS4 is Titan Fall. And I guarantee that will be on PS4 in a year.
Objectively speaking, I would argue that fits all the criteria for being worse. It's just not as horrible as it was before. Xbox One is now more "buying the more expensive car and losing the race" and less "being convicted of a crime you didn't commit".Best of the 3 said:
Also, Xbone One will launch in 13 countries. PS4 will launch in 30. After looking over statistics for the last gen, I'd say this will not favor it for overall sales. PS3 had more sales in Europe than 360 did in every region not including North America combined. Figuring Brand loyalty, price, and the PR nightmare that Microsoft has to deal with, and I'd be willing to bet on a winner.
As for the Always Online, that has been fixed, but you still need to connect on Day One. Gotta get that patch to make it playable.
And yes, the only thing you need PS+ for is online play. Everything else is free. Hulu, Netflix, gameplay recording, and even several games are Free to Play online. These are all behind a paywall on Xbox One.
About the only game I think Xbox One might have on PS4 is Titan Fall. And I guarantee that will be on PS4 in a year.
Ok, so, you took a survey from people at your school, non-hardcore gamers, specifically because they're non-hardcore gamers and that would get you "better results."HydroFire said:
Question: So what?
No, really, so what? You've proven that 3 times as many people in your school want an Xbox One over a PS4. Other then being about Xbox One over PS4, what does this have to do with the current topic?
You already accept that your school's people and we escapists have vastly different opinions - that's the main reason you surveyed them instead of us (BTW, in this particular instance, everyone voting PS4 would not be "too many variables," it would be just the expected result.) So what, you want to extrapolate their reactions onto ours and tell us we're wrong or something? Because you can't. Like, logically, you just can't.
And also, how many people did you survey, anyway? If you only managed 4 people, then the 75% doesn't count for much. If we're getting closer to 40 or 50, then you might have a bit more validity in your results - not that that would really count for anything, but at least you could use those results for something else besides.
With all that HydroFire has had to say about the 'advantages' of an Xbox One over a PS4, I have to ask... does anyone else here smell the troll? I mean seriously. 99% of the people here are actual gamers, myself included (to a certain extent), and have an opinion on what the Xbox One is/was/will be. Calling them wrong on their opinions is insane, childish, and useless. Opinions are like dirty socks. Everyone has some.
Myself, I own an Xbox 360, and more recently (within the last year) a PS3. I can safely say that I enjoy them both, and not just for their exclusives. What I do not enjoy is being told that the next Xbox is going to be better when it is clearly not for gaming in the first place. It's trying to be the center of the living room. "Hook me up to your tv, and you can watch tv, make a phone call, watch a movie (provided you have a Gold account, and enough $ in your digital wallet) and maybe then... just maybe... you can play a game"
Meanwhile, in the PS4 court, it goes like this. "Hook me up to your tv, and play a game already." See, Sony has a product that is technologically better than its' competitor. Microsoft is only in it because they thought they could compete. Sony has been dealing with video game hardware for a very long time (not as long as Nintendo). If the OP was old enough, they'd remember the complete failure that was the original Xbox. And that was designed almost as badly (aestheically) as the Xbox One.
All of that aside, lets think about the games. Yes, the Xbox One has Titan Fall. So what? PS4 has Infamous: Second Son. So what? It all depends on the type of games people play (CoD aside) and what they're happy to play them on. If you enjoy the Xbox One, then so be it.
OP: You keep asking for answers as to what makes it so bad. You keep getting answers and won't listen. If you won't listen, don't ask, get one for yourself, because that's what makes you happy, and draw your own conclusions.
I knew I smelled a troll around here somewhere.
Myself, I own an Xbox 360, and more recently (within the last year) a PS3. I can safely say that I enjoy them both, and not just for their exclusives. What I do not enjoy is being told that the next Xbox is going to be better when it is clearly not for gaming in the first place. It's trying to be the center of the living room. "Hook me up to your tv, and you can watch tv, make a phone call, watch a movie (provided you have a Gold account, and enough $ in your digital wallet) and maybe then... just maybe... you can play a game"
Meanwhile, in the PS4 court, it goes like this. "Hook me up to your tv, and play a game already." See, Sony has a product that is technologically better than its' competitor. Microsoft is only in it because they thought they could compete. Sony has been dealing with video game hardware for a very long time (not as long as Nintendo). If the OP was old enough, they'd remember the complete failure that was the original Xbox. And that was designed almost as badly (aestheically) as the Xbox One.
All of that aside, lets think about the games. Yes, the Xbox One has Titan Fall. So what? PS4 has Infamous: Second Son. So what? It all depends on the type of games people play (CoD aside) and what they're happy to play them on. If you enjoy the Xbox One, then so be it.
OP: You keep asking for answers as to what makes it so bad. You keep getting answers and won't listen. If you won't listen, don't ask, get one for yourself, because that's what makes you happy, and draw your own conclusions.
I knew I smelled a troll around here somewhere.
Better edit the "T" word out. I have seen threads like this in the past deliberately created for the purpose of invoking angered responses followed by warnings and suspensions with the OP going about their merry way, clean as a whistle given their frustrating ability to maintain a strong benefit of doubt. Thankfully the mods in those instances have caught on but I still do not feel even remotely comfortable mentioning that word, even when warranted.Estranged180 said:
I know I will be called out by someone to provide examples but do you really expect me to remember the name and topic of every single last thread I ever visited, every last post I made, every little lurk through a thread I had no intention of doing anything other than reading?
OT: Despite my previous statement I will provide the benefit of doubt and merely say that I was apathetic to the XBone and everything that it did wrong has left a permanent bad taste in my mouth as I had no love for it to shield me from its blows. Lastly, Microsoft spent money developing its DRM, I have no guarantee that they will not up and decide to capitalise on that investment in the future. They now need to earn my trust and that is not a easy thing considering I already did not care for it.
Now back to Misery and GOG on my native platform.