Whats the deal with all the MW2 hate threads?

[edgeofblade]

I love all the things people get "offended" at. They get offended at how much press a game gets, or that a company would ask for money, of all things, in exchange for their product.

I blame society for forcing everyone to be a "revolutionary" and "different". Everyone wants to be the hero who jumps on the barricade and rallies the troops, even if they are doing more harm than good.

 

[edgeofblade]

How exactly are you helping with this awfully great and useful addition to the other fine selection of MW2 threads we've got?

Although I'd say MW2 sucks balls, just because. Things aren't multiplayer unless there are more then 15 players involved.

15 players? That's an arbitrary number. Seems to me if MW2 had 16 players, you would criticize it for not having 20...

 

[Cherry Cola]

I will know link a page to you that will show you proof of something you haven't cared about during the time of our conversation

OK, so this shows how customer service at Activision deals with this situation, but I can still not see the quote where a developer openly admits to having thought of his game as a failure.

Now, since there isn't any shown defense against the last e-mail, making a claim that what IW intended is fact can't really be done. Everything with a grain of salt, remember?

You know, more and more you are showing that you can't possibly allow any blame to fall upon yourself.

 

[Danpascooch]

I think there are some legitimate points against it, and that it was probably a disappointment when compared to the hype.

But come on! People have been saying things like "THIS IS THE WORST GAME EVER!!!11!"

Go try ET, then come back here and we'll talk.

 

[Retardinator]

@ OP: What's the deal with all the MW2 threads?

 

[slipknot4]

It's unbalanced as fuck and IW screwed us over with the dedicated servers.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

I will know link a page to you that will show you proof of something you haven't cared about during the time of our conversation

OK, so this shows how customer service at Activision deals with this situation, but I can still not see the quote where a developer openly admits to having thought of his game as a failure.

Now, since there isn't any shown defense against the last e-mail, making a claim that what IW intended is fact can't really be done. Everything with a grain of salt, remember?

You know, more and more you are showing that you can't possibly allow any blame to fall upon yourself.

Do I need to talk slowly? The e-m-p-l-o-y-e-e/ w-a-s/ t-a-l-k-i-n-g about IW-NET.

"Do we have a world?s exclusive here ?
Can we conclude from this transcript from Activision?s customer support, submitted via email to us by Pelle C a.k.a. Keyboarder, THAT THEY KNEW ON BEFOREHAND THAT IWNET WAS GOING TO BE TROUBBLE?

Have a look at these sentences:
?Please remember that this game is peer to peer and that the way in which the game works was told to the public prior to release.?

?As far as the last [above] statement of my last communication, take it as just what I said. IN SUCH AN ENVIROMENT, THERE ARE BOUND TO BE ISSUES LIKE THE ONES YOU'RE EXPERIENCING. ?

 

[Cherry Cola]

I will know link a page to you that will show you proof of something you haven't cared about during the time of our conversation

OK, so this shows how customer service at Activision deals with this situation, but I can still not see the quote where a developer openly admits to having thought of his game as a failure.

Now, since there isn't any shown defense against the last e-mail, making a claim that what IW intended is fact can't really be done. Everything with a grain of salt, remember?

You know, more and more you are showing that you can't possibly allow any blame to fall upon yourself.

Do I need to talk slowly? The e-m-p-l-o-y-e-e/ w-a-s/ t-a-l-k-i-n-g about IW-NET.

"Do we have a world?s exclusive here ?
Can we conclude from this transcript from Activision?s customer support, submitted via email to us by Pelle C a.k.a. Keyboarder, THAT THEY KNEW ON BEFOREHAND THAT IWNET WAS GOING TO BE TROUBBLE?

Have a look at these sentences:
?Please remember that this game is peer to peer and that the way in which the game works was told to the public prior to release.?

?As far as the last [above] statement of my last communication, take it as just what I said. IN SUCH AN ENVIROMENT, THERE ARE BOUND TO BE ISSUES LIKE THE ONES YOU'RE EXPERIENCING. ?

Wow, they expected issues, how dare they.

 

[Cado_Deus]

I did not hype this game. I tought it would be decent. Read my previous posts.
Can you not read my previous posts? They promised that IWnet would be an awesome experience: "No Lag, No hackers" and this is from their own forums. IWnet turned out to be shit, and it seems that IW knew all along. They asked 60 dollars for a game who's multiplayer barely works and with a SP of 4 hours. They purposely lied about the PC version of the game.

Expectations? The game itself would be better than MW1 if they would introduce Dedicated servers and balanced the kill streaks and weapons. 3 things and you'd have an amazing game. 3 things that are extremely easy to do. IW has no excuse not implementing them. This is not about expectations, this is about being a lazy asshole and deciding to port MW2 to the PC instead.

Oh, of course they are just excuse. Lag, hackers, glitchers, not being able to connect to a game, a game lasting 5 minutes at most, overpowered weapons are simply excuses.

Of all your points, the hackers one is the one I have the most trouble with. They are called hackers for a reason...you can never truly get rid of them until you stop playing the mp. Other than that, good job standing your ground on your opinion.

OT: There will always be hate threads. Never, in the history of forever, has everyone agreed on something.

 

[MortisLegio]

Because of the hype that people placed on the game
Story - Ok but a little confusing at the end
Multiplayer - good about as good as COD4 but has a few bugs (Javelin glitch anyone)
Spec ops - annoying... Why no matchmaking IW why?

 

[TIMESWORDSMAN]

It's very simple, Popular things will be hated on.

 

[Baby Tea]

B. http://www.modernwarfail2.com/2009/11/29/activision-knew-on-forehand-iwnet-was-going-to-fail/

I read that, but can't seem to find anywhere in the article where the guy from Activision said 'We knew there was problems'. The guy sending the emails (The guy complaining) said it a few times in his lengthy emails, but the guy responding said nothing that seemed to indicated that IWNet was known before launch to fail.

The 'article' points out the two 'smoking gun' lines right at the beginning, but that is a laughable argument, at the least. Peer to Peer's lag is really subject to the internet speed of the host, as well as distance from the server. That's what the guy at Activision was saying, and it certainly wasn't a smoking gun. What a sensationalist article.

 

[TheSeventhLoneWolf]

It's like marmite. Love it or hate it. And it gives you something to blame if you become ill.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

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Issues that would be non existent by simply implementing Dedicated Servers. They knew beforehand that the system was unstable, yet they went ahead with it. Why?

Of all your points, the hackers one is the one I have the most trouble with. They are called hackers for a reason...you can never truly get rid of them until you stop playing the mp.

Dedicated servers with an admin would have helped a lot in combating hackers. Vote Kick would also help in the current situation, has long has it prevents the hacker from entering another game for 10 minutes.

"In such an environment there are bound to be issues such as those you are experiencing."

He didn't refer only to lag, now did he? ly to lag, now di

 

[Elijin]

Lag!

Lack of region prefrence when searching for a game!

Lag!

Oh and my favourite, an example! The other day me and about 6 other aussies were playing in a party on the xbox. There were 2 random Americans grouped with us, and they lagged all game and hated it (this made us chuckle, since we deal with it 98% of the time) The next game, another American joined the lobby. This makes THREE Americans and SEVEN Aussies. After a minute or two in game of the aussies playing lag free, but the Americans lagging like a kicked bucket, what does the game do? It gives the host to the Americans. Well done IW and xbox live, kindly diaf. America is not the only place with customers, and especially dont do this kind of shit when the ratio was in favour of the prior settings.

 

[Cado_Deus]

Dedicated servers with an admin would have helped a lot in combating hackers. Vote Kick would also help in the current situation, has long has it prevents the hacker from entering another game for 10 minutes.

Very true, very true. That's why when I play on my pc I play on admin servers only, but there is no real way to make a game hacker proof. Especially if they get their hands on a random IP generator, it then becomes impossible to permaban...and they then ruin the game.

 

[Cherry Cola]

A lot of people would argue with me right now if I would have been hostile in my arguments, but luckily I was civil from the first post and nobody has a bone to pick with me, hence why nobody is arguing with me right now

It pays to be civil, doesn't it?

From what I have gathered, they truly believed in their system from day one, and perhaps that was their mistake. But, I never said that they where innocent, and I never said that their game was flawless. I said that they where not evil, and they did not try to exploit you. They are morons, they thought things where great. They did not think "Oh, this sucks, but we will exploit everyone by selling it anyways!". They thought "Oh, this will work great, since console-gamers have it good then this could be good too and settle differences". They are overambitious, but not evil.

All of your hate is not needed. You can just say "Well, they where indeed incompetent; I shall now return the game with the help of my receipt". But instead you have said, all this time "They are such assholes! They don't care about us at all because something wasn't right! They wanted me to be angry because it makes them hot!" Your hate should be directed towards:

1. Reviews not telling you of all the faults
2. Yourself, for not searching for enough information.

If IW indeed told you that they just wanted to piss you off, then your hate would be justified. As it stands now, you saw their ambition as a guarantee for awesomeness, and was let down. And yet you are flaming them on a huge level.

 

[AndyFromMonday]

Dedicated servers with an admin would have helped a lot in combating hackers. Vote Kick would also help in the current situation, has long has it prevents the hacker from entering another game for 10 minutes.

Very true, very true. That's why when I play on my pc I play on admin servers only, but there is no real way to make a game hacker proof. Especially if they get their hands on a random IP generator, it then becomes impossible to permaban...and they then ruin the game.

True, but at least an admin could kick him and keep kicking him until VAC finally does it's job, or until he gets bored.

 

[GrinningManiac]

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Really? Crying? Read the freaking reasons listed on the website has to why the game is shit or don't comment, mmkay?

Owes them nothing?

The fact that they lied about IWnet doesn't count has back stabbing, right?

The fact that the game is unplayable most of the times due to the lag even tho IW assured there will be no problems doesn't count has back stabbing, eh?

The fact that at it's 60 dollars the game doesn't even deliver half of what it promised is not backstabbing, right?!

Maybe you should consider using a bit more bandwidth and read the reasons behind these so called "crybabies crying".

'Just shrug it off and enjoy the game."

MW2 is like buying a brand new porsche with fake tires. You can't, in no way, detect if the tires are fake. So, you buy the porsche only to realize that all your tires have fallen off. You go back to the dealer to give you your money back, but he says "No refunds'.

Shrugging it off when you've got something that doesn't work isn't really the way to go.

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Oh, man. You are SO right. I mean, when Infinity Ward announced an online system which would be free of hackers and would be easy to connect to we were just overhyping it. When the balance of the game turned out to be shit, it's just because we expected to much.

Yeah, you just made me realize how good this game is, how extremely un-frustrating it is to connect to IWnet and how there's absolutely no lag or cheaters in the game.

Shut Up
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That is all

Such popular games, whether this, Halo or godknowswhatelse, always have large numbers of people who play them at any time, meaning that there's a broader range of opinions rather that someone who plays...say...Okami. Thus, there are loads more people who love it or hate it, and nearly all of these people have an internet connection and membership to a forum.

They will spout love or rage, and bitterly take each other's arguments apart in that agonisingly anal "Holier-than-thou" Quote-opposing-argument-one-sentence-per-quotebox-and-answer-each-little-statement-with-acid-and-smarmyness

We had it with Halo, we had it with WaW, we have it with WoW, and we have it with MW2

Get over it. People have opinions other that yours, oh great benefactor and dispenser of the ultimate wisdoms of the web