What's the point in watching TV series anymore?

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BloatedGuppy

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pilouuuu said:
Great list! Thanks. I'm really curious about The Wire.
Worthwhile reading (careful for spoilers, especially on the Wiki page):

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/5095500/The-Wire-arguably-the-greatest-television-programme-ever-made.html

No other series in history has attracted such critical praise, not least from the kind of high-minded cultural arbiters who would usually only watch a US crime drama with a peg on their nose. According to these critics, The Wire isn't merely the best thing on TV; it merits comparison with the works of Dickens and Dostoevsky. As the entertainment industry magazine Variety observed, "When television history is written, little else will rival The Wire, a series of such ambition that it is, perhaps inevitably, savoured only by the appreciative few."
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/the_big_idea/2006/09/the_wire_on_fire.html

The Wire, which has just begun its fourth season on HBO, is surely the best TV show ever broadcast in America. This claim isn't based on my having seen all the possible rivals for the title, but on the premise that no other program has ever done anything remotely like what this one does, namely to portray the social, political, and economic life of an American city with the scope, observational precision, and moral vision of great literature.

During its first year, it was possible to mistake The Wire for merely an unusually shrewd and vivid police drama. But the program has gotten richer and more ambitious with each season and now fits only into a category it defines by itself: the urban procedural. Its protagonist is the broken American city of Baltimore, depicted with obsessive verisimilitude and affectionate rage. Its fundamental concern is the isolation and degradation of the black underclass, a subject that has, with the exception of a blip after Hurricane Katrina, disappeared from the political radar screen. If the national conscience is ready for another sleepless night about the waste of lives in the ghetto, I expect that The Wire will be what keeps us awake.
http://www.avclub.com/articles/the-best-tv-series-of-the-00s,35256/

Taking full advantage of the generous breadth of the television format?and HBO?s commitment to ambitious, form-expanding programming?The Wire unfolded like a great American novel, trusting viewers to pick up on the intricate connections between seasons, characters, and myriad details. Starting as an impressively scrupulous, evenhanded depiction of the Baltimore drug trade, the show opened up into an ever-expanding portrait of a city, one weakened institution at a time, from the unions to the schools to the newspaper business. At every turn, Simon and his crack team of writers (including crime novelists George Pelacanos, Richard Price, and Dennis Lehane) revealed how the corrupt and often grossly incompetent acts of the powerful consistently preyed on the city?s most defenseless residents. Rooted in Greek tragedy, this grim series was mitigated by moments of profound redemption, a penchant for gallows humor, and an abiding respect for the quietly heroic men and women who try to make a difference.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Wire

Several reviewers have called it the best show on television, including TIME,[75] Entertainment Weekly,[67] the Chicago Tribune,[76] Slate,[56] the San Francisco Chronicle,[77] the Philadelphia Daily News[78] and the British newspaper The Guardian,[38] which ran a week-by-week blog following every episode,[79] also collected in a book, The Wire Re-up.[80] Charlie Brooker, a columnist for The Guardian, has been particularly enthusiastic in his praise of the show, both in his "Screen Burn" column and in his BBC Four television series Screenwipe, calling it possibly the greatest show of the last 20 years.[81][82] In 2009, TIME listed it as the best television series of the 2000s (decade).[83]

'The Wire Files', an online collection of articles published in darkmatter Journal critically analyzes The Wire's racialized politics and aesthetics of representation.[84] Entertainment Weekly put it on its end-of-the-decade, "best-of" list, saying, "The deft writing?which used the cop-genre format to give shape to creator David Simon's scathing social critiques?was matched by one of the deepest benches of acting talent in TV history."[85]

President of the United States Barack Obama has said that The Wire is his favorite television series.[86] 2010 Nobel Prize in Literature Laureate, Mario Vargas Llosa, wrote a very positive critical review of the series in the Spanish journal El País.[87] Internationally, the mayor of Reykjavík, Jón Gnarr, has gone so far as to say that he would not enter a coalition government with anyone who has not watched the series.[88]
 

GrandmaFunk

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We're in a golden age of television...the last 7-8 years are the best that the television medium has ever had.

also, trying to calculate some weird ratio of good tv to bad tv is pointless...it doesn't matter that 99% of it is crap, that 1% of quality is all you need.

and it's not like the ratios are better in any other medium.
 

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GrandmaFunk said:
We're in a golden age of television...the last 7-8 years are the best that the television medium has ever had.

also, trying to calculate some weird ratio of good tv to bad tv is pointless...it doesn't matter that 99% of it is crap, that 1% of quality is all you need.

and it's not like the ratios are better in any other medium.
Well, also consider this. How many people still watch it on an actual TV as opposed to Hulu or Netflicks, or . . . other means.

Personally I'm an avid follower of current anime. It's on TV somewhere right... Though when I have access to cable (i.e. when I go back home) I watch:
How I Met Your Mother
Big Bang Theory
Adventure Time
Regular Show
Legend of Korra
Young Justice
Bits and pieces of Merlin and Being Human (the American version, if only because of Samwitwer)
 

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I have watched and finished over 100+ shows within the last few years and yes I would agree with you to a point.

Alcatraz for the most part was very unspectacular for the amount of Hype it got. People were expecting the Next Lost what they got was not Lost at all. Though the show was interesting it never made me want to come back for more and I can see why it got canceled.

If you want to watch some good shows that I see staying around for a while watch Walking Dead, Pick up Breaking Bad at the rental store and go through that series. Hell if you want a long Sci-fi get Fringe or Netflix Doctor Who, that ones not going away for a long time.

Sadly some great shows weren't being watched like Jericho and Firefly. However lets keep our fingers crossed for Netflix renewing those shows. =D
 

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Can anyone tell me if Farscape is any good?

Have any of you seen The Venture Brothers? It's one of the most funny animated series for me, alonside Archer. Do you happen to know if there'll be a 5th season?
 

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Matthew94 said:
I just call that 2 seasons with 1 story arc, I knew about the structure already. It still doesn't change my opinion, there is nowhere the show can go now but downwards.
How there nowhere to go but downwards? The show is building up to a clear, strong ending.
 

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Matthew94 said:
GiantRaven said:
Matthew94 said:
I just call that 2 seasons with 1 story arc, I knew about the structure already. It still doesn't change my opinion, there is nowhere the show can go now but downwards.
How there nowhere to go but downwards? The show is building up to a clear, strong ending.
To me the story had a clear strong ending.

He was free from Gus, no one knew what he did, his cancer was in remission, Jesse didn't know he poisoned the kid and the head of the Cartel was dead.

He was 100% free and healthy and had no opponents at all, I call that an ending. They are going to have to introduce yet another villain more powerful than Gus and the Cartel and have Walter take them down all over again.

It's not a good idea at all in my books.
Is that an actual plot development? I wouldn't know because I don't keep with events beyond just watching the show when it's out. I thought that...

the final season would be about Hank slowly tracking down and discovering Walt and the resulting conflict between the two characters.

That's where I felt it was headed at any rate. If that isn't the case then I'll definitely be a little disappointed.
 

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The problem with television is that there is no way to tell how long a series is going to last, which completely ruins the pacing and sense of direction. Either the show will take it's time a become a complete jumble of hanging plot threads, only to be cancelled after the first season. Or the show rushes through the original conflict only to find itself having to fill up three more seasons. I don't mind a change in the status quo, but I dislike when the writers keep throwing stuff out to see what sticks. It doesn't make the show compelling or interesting, yet it seems to be standard Modus operandi for a number of television shows post-Lost (and most probably pre-Lost, but the stand alone episode format helped to hide it a bit more).

Now, I should mention that I'm sure there are exceptions, but it's hard for me to tell if a show is good enough for me to invest my time into it because the vocabulary that used to be able to distinguish the tripe from the excellence has become a bunch of meaningless buzzwords and I can't figure out how to ask people I trust questions about a given show, greatly exacerbated by the fact that arc heavy productions make it impossible to describe a show without spoiling a whole bunch of stuff.

Id est, I dislike TV these days because there are way to many arc heavy shows. Ironically, that's because I love well done arc heavy shows. It's a problem because it's there are so many arc heavy shows (or shows that pretend to be arc heavy when they just happen to change the status quo once in a while) being produced that it's hard to find ones I enjoy anymore.

I don't mean this as a way of saying that TV is bad or has gotten worse in any sort of intrinsic way. In all honesty, it's probably that I'm just getting older and more discerning. If someone enjoys a show that I don't, that's fine, but it's just not something that I can be bothered to get into.
 

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Matthew94 said:
Actual plot development? You did see the season finale with the
huge explosion and Walt's phone call saying he won?

I do see your point with Hank but they couldn't drag that out for 2(1/2) seasons now could they?
Sorry, no I meant the other part.

about the new gang/threat/whatever
 

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pilouuuu said:
Can anyone tell me if Farscape is any good?
It kinda depends how much Sci-fi you've watched. I liked it at first but then after a few episodes, having seen the entire stargate franchise, all of BSG and quite a lot of star trek, the plots started to feel a bit too familiar and I got bored of it. Apparently the 'Peacekeaper wars' miniseries is awesome regardless of whether or not you like the main show though.
 

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Burn Notice
Suits
Pretty much anything on USA Network is bearable to decent, though I don't keep up with all of them.

Eureka (Which is ending T_T)

Game of Thrones (Pretty much *the* show to be watching right now)

A couple others.