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fullbleed

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NightShadeNes said:
The M60 has terrible recoil,is hard to aim,it's to heavy and it has a short bullet range
And the barrel would over heat but was too hard too remove and many people burned their hands doing so, and then everytime it was changed you would have to re-calibrate the rear sight again which was like looking through a pin hole.
They used asbestos gloves sometimes to help change the barrel without burning your hands. Asbestos was more safe than using this gun.
 

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fullbleed said:
NightShadeNes said:
The M60 has terrible recoil,is hard to aim,it's to heavy and it has a short bullet range
And the barrel would over heat but was too hard too remove and many people burned their hands doing so, and then everytime it was changed you would have to re-calibrate the rear sight again which was like looking through a pin hole.
They used asbestos gloves sometimes to help change the barrel without burning your hands. Asbestos was more safe than using this gun.
In conclusion:eek:nly Rambo can use it well
 

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fullbleed said:
smearyllama said:
I only know from games, but wasn't the Browning HiPower kind of crappy?
The gun used by both sides in world war 2 and that the SAS would continue to use for 60 years or so? No.

M60 and M16 were both very useless in Vietnam , certainly contributing to America's eventual loss.

Also a lot of people hold the M1 Garand in to high a regard, fairly average in terms of accurracy and clip size with the added advantage of semi-automatic fire. However every time a clip was emptied it would spring from the gun and make a huge audible *TING* noise letting everyone know you're out of ammo, and that's the kind of thing that would get soldiers killed.
right up till those with expierience pulled the fuckers out halfway and shoved em back in to make the ping, so the enemy would stick his head out. big mistake XD
 

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bodare said:
Not really a rifle, but isn't the PIAT considered to be among the most user-unfriendly weapons of all time?
its an at weapon that doesnt go through the armour unless lucky..
jeah, i think the piat bloody qualifies XD
 

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fullbleed said:
smearyllama said:
I only know from games, but wasn't the Browning HiPower kind of crappy?
The gun used by both sides in world war 2 and that the SAS would continue to use for 60 years or so? No.

M60 and M16 were both very useless in Vietnam , certainly contributing to America's eventual loss.
On the M16 M60 note: (I apologize in advance, I am a Military history major with my focus being US wars in the later 20th early 21st century)
It wasn't because of the rifles, those played a VERY small part in the overall war (believe it or not the things used to shoot bullets in the war were barley registering on the true long line of fuckups) It was because we decided to fight a conventional style war against guerrillas and refused to attack the source of the problem. (Why Nixon is still popular among many Vietnam era troops was because he mined Haiphong harbor so the Chinese couldn't send in large war materiel via the ocean, meaning the north had their supply of highly advanced surface to air missiles cut meaning we could bomb the living shit out of them with B-52's). You just cant run a "box, sweep, and clear" mission in godawful terrain.

The M16 was modified to have a forward assist fairly soon after the army reported it was shit and went back to (my personal favorite rifle of all time) the M14. The climate and the powder that was used in the ammunition was long grain, meaning it got fucked faster in wet climates. When they tested it the rounds had small grains so that lead to a lot of confusion because some pencil neck "Chairborne Ranger" decided to switch the powder types on the order logs. Also the M16 wasn't released with a cleaning kit because they figured since it was all closed in, dirt couldn't get in.

The M60's problem was that it double fed rounds(do to a lack of a proper feed tray that would cause the links to kink up and the casing would get jammed causing the NEXT round to get shoved into the first casing) this wasn't officially fixed but usually a guy would take a C-rat can and use the curved metal side piece as a feeding tray thus fixing 95% of the issues you would run into.
 

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I am Omega said:
The potato cannon. Sure, it stings, but a bullet from a real gun is so much more effective.

In all seriousness, the Desert Eagle.
There's a difference?
 

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NightShadeNes said:
The M60 has terrible recoil,is hard to aim,it's to heavy,it has a short bullet range and it gets jamed pretty easy but it's awesome
Im going to have to disagree with you.
It shoots a .308 so I have no idea where you got the short range from, but the recoil of any other rifle of that caliber would also have intense recoil being that its a machine gun. Its heavy compared to today's standards but it was one of the lightest at the time, hell it was designed in 1957.
 

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The AK-47 is one of the worst. Yeah, it's a quick fire rate, and it almost never jams, but that doesn't fix the terrible accuracy, the strength needed to wield it(it's not heavy, but start firing it and you have a real problem with it not jerking up and blowing YOUR face off) the enormous recoil, and when it DOES finally overheat and jam, you can NEVER use it again.

Also, and I know I'm gonna catch a TON of flak for this, but fragmentation grenades and shotguns. They're both VERY situational,. and with the frag grenade you have as much chance of injuring/killing yourself as others if you don't use it properly.
And shotguns are pretty much pathetic if someone's more than 10 feet away from you.
 

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No specific era was specified, so really I'd have said the old flintlock pistols? One shot wonder!

Really, though, where do you guys find out all this stuff? (aside from any that may have done something military related, obviously)
 

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Atmos Duality said:
The Liberator


Barring WW2, the Apache



I'll just let the idiocy of this weapon speak for itself. But this was a real, marketed personal defense weapon.
I forgot about the liberator but at least that fired when you pulled the trigger.
The Nambu however http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nambu_pistol shot when you pulled it out of your holster or if you held it too tight.
 

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fullbleed said:
JWAN said:
Chauchat
WWI
your in the trenches
and you get a blessing from France! A super light machine that fires fast and has a large magazine, too bad the internals are made out of stamped tin and the clip is open on the side to let anything in the trench, get into your machine. Notorious for killing more allies than axis.
Truly the shittiest gun in history.


was about to say that.
This. Honest to god this.

However this is what one looks like when done right

 

SturmDolch

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What about this gun, from From Dusk Till Dawn?


I mean, I can't imagine the recoil being all too comfortable. And reloading looks tough. Besides, how do you aim?
 

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The Desert Eagle. I can't think of any functional use for it. Sure it is awesome and has an intimidation factor, but as a weapon it defies all reasons for using a handgun in the first place.
yah, You might as well go grab an M1 if you really need something with that much firepower.
 

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JWAN said:
NightShadeNes said:
The M60 has terrible recoil,is hard to aim,it's to heavy,it has a short bullet range and it gets jamed pretty easy but it's awesome
Im going to have to disagree with you.
It shoots a .308 so I have no idea where you got the short range from, but the recoil of any other rifle of that caliber would also have intense recoil being that its a machine gun. Its heavy compared to today's standards but it was one of the lightest at the time, hell it was designed in 1957.
That depends on the model the oldest ones have some problems the recoil was bad in the first designs unless you where holding the ammo clip also the bullets sometimes get jammed and the bullet range i was wrong i found that the bullets go 1,200 yd (1,100 m)
 

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JWAN said:
fullbleed said:
smearyllama said:
I only know from games, but wasn't the Browning HiPower kind of crappy?
The gun used by both sides in world war 2 and that the SAS would continue to use for 60 years or so? No.

M60 and M16 were both very useless in Vietnam , certainly contributing to America's eventual loss.
On the M16 M60 note: (I apologize in advance, I am a Military history major with my focus being US wars in the later 20th early 21st century)
It wasn't because of the rifles, those played a VERY small part in the overall war (believe it or not the things used to shoot bullets in the war were barley registering on the true long line of fuckups) It was because we decided to fight a conventional style war against guerrillas and refused to attack the source of the problem. (Why Nixon is still popular among many Vietnam era troops was because he mined Haiphong harbor so the Chinese couldn't send in large war materiel via the ocean, meaning the north had their supply of highly advanced surface to air missiles cut meaning we could bomb the living shit out of them with B-52's). You just cant run a "box, sweep, and clear" mission in godawful terrain.

The M16 was modified to have a forward assist fairly soon after the army reported it was shit and went back to (my personal favorite rifle of all time) the M14. The climate and the powder that was used in the ammunition was long grain, meaning it got fucked faster in wet climates. When they tested it the rounds had small grains so that lead to a lot of confusion because some pencil neck "Chairborne Ranger" decided to switch the powder types on the order logs. Also the M16 wasn't released with a cleaning kit because they figured since it was all closed in, dirt couldn't get in.

The M60's problem was that it double fed rounds(do to a lack of a proper feed tray that would cause the links to kink up and the casing would get jammed causing the NEXT round to get shoved into the first casing) this wasn't officially fixed but usually a guy would take a C-rat can and use the curved metal side piece as a feeding tray thus fixing 95% of the issues you would run into.
I know I'm not saying that poor weapons were the sole cause of the US lossing the Nam, that would be ridiculous, there's obviously a whole load of politcal and other such reasons that lead to that. Interesting stuff though, that explains why I've seen pictures of M60s with cans welded to them.
 

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Varrdy said:
brodie21 said:
the M-16. considered the worst assault rifle in the world. any sort of melee with it would shatter the spring-loaded stock and the overly complex firing mechanism was a ***** to clean and jammed alot. the only reason it became the standard american infantry rifle was politics, "buy my gun and you get my vote". it was originally designed for MPs at stateside military bases
There is a saying in the armed forces of many countries. "Always remember that your gun was made by the lowest bidder!"

I can speak from personal experience and say that the SA-80 the average British Army soldier gets (as well as other-ground based units of the Navy and RAF) is a pile of wank. I've fired one a few times and can see why it was called the "Airfix Rifle". When I was at a weekend camp at Proteus in Ollerton (it's now closed and until recently was a fucking sweet airsoft skirmish site) with the ATC I recall seeing a sign by the discharge pit. It spoke of the SLR and the SA-80 (as both were in use at the time) and while the instructions were clear and to the point for the SLR, the SA-80's had an additional caveat that had the soldier check to make sure the mag wasn't about to fall out.

No wonder the SAS don't use it, instead preferring the M-16A2 (with M203 grenade launchers in many cases) or the Canadian equivalent, the C5.

The Beretta M92 had it's issues in the beginning but they got it sorted and it remains my favourite handgun of all.

Wardy
As well as the G36c and MP5 and TBH the SAS and SBS change there weapons to fit there specific needs not being given as strict codes for what weapons there allowed they are generally allowed what they need to get the job done.
Also as a user of the L98 A2 I think your summary is quite wrong the weapon is good when mantained propally and when you zero the sites in propally and learn to use and as for the magazine issue as long as placed in propally it should fine however most people either are to timid in inserting it are to aggressive slamming it in you need to be firm but not stab otherwise your just damaging the rifle.
 

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II2 said:
I'm no firearms guru, but I know there is quite a knowledge base in the community here. Does the Tec 9 deserve the assessment it gets as a piece of crap? The M16a1 certainly had it's share of issues. The Automag high caliber handgun was a dismal, malfunctioning failure in competition with the IMI Desert Eagle.
You take that back!(Automag fan! Don't actually know but I like the way it looks.)

I can't say I know much about guns but the Desert Eagle is very impractical. Massive recoil, Low clip size, expensive ammo. But hot damn that is a pretty gun.

But I know the original version version of the M-16 was a piece of trash.