fullbleed said:
smearyllama said:
I only know from games, but wasn't the Browning HiPower kind of crappy?
The gun used by both sides in world war 2 and that the SAS would continue to use for 60 years or so? No.
M60 and M16 were both very useless in Vietnam , certainly contributing to America's eventual loss.
On the M16 M60 note: (I apologize in advance, I am a Military history major with my focus being US wars in the later 20th early 21st century)
It wasn't because of the rifles, those played a VERY small part in the overall war (believe it or not the things used to shoot bullets in the war were barley registering on the true long line of fuckups) It was because we decided to fight a conventional style war against guerrillas and refused to attack the source of the problem. (Why Nixon is still popular among many Vietnam era troops was because he mined Haiphong harbor so the Chinese couldn't send in large war materiel via the ocean, meaning the north had their supply of highly advanced surface to air missiles cut meaning we could bomb the living shit out of them with B-52's). You just cant run a "box, sweep, and clear" mission in godawful terrain.
The M16 was modified to have a forward assist fairly soon after the army reported it was shit and went back to (my personal favorite rifle of all time) the M14. The climate and the powder that was used in the ammunition was long grain, meaning it got fucked faster in wet climates. When they tested it the rounds had small grains so that lead to a lot of confusion because some pencil neck "Chairborne Ranger" decided to switch the powder types on the order logs. Also the M16 wasn't released with a cleaning kit because they figured since it was all closed in, dirt couldn't get in.
The M60's problem was that it double fed rounds(do to a lack of a proper feed tray that would cause the links to kink up and the casing would get jammed causing the NEXT round to get shoved into the first casing) this wasn't officially fixed but usually a guy would take a C-rat can and use the curved metal side piece as a feeding tray thus fixing 95% of the issues you would run into.