What's with the extreme Nintendo Hate?

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Doom972

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Nintendo lost the respect of a lot of gamers (myself included) since the Wii, but I don't see that many people who actually hate it (I personally don't). However, I do see many sensitive Nintendo fans who get angry every time someone hints at criticizing Nintendo. I was already called a Nintendo hater om this forum because I said that making Deus Ex: Human Revolution Director's Cut a WiiU exclusive is a dick move, and I didn't even accuse Nintendo of anything.
 

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I really like nintendo,
I have heard people claiming that ITS THE END OF NINTENDO PRAISE SONY AND MICROSOFT
on other websites but not on this one
as for the problems I have with them...
First I got a Wii U when it first came out and still don't have a 3DS
I am considering getting a 3DS but I don't understand why there are so few games out for the wii U>???

Not only first party games are short (nintendo land and new super mario bros u are the only 2 out so far) but they aren't seeming to bother trying to help 3rd party companies make more games for them, the current games out are just ports and not even that good ports.

Why can't they port games on the 3DS over to the Wii U?
Heck I've even gone onto their new Wii Shop channel,
what is their? Lots of downloadable games that are the same ones as available on disc
and lots of 3DS titles that are "only available on 3DS"
as for retro Nes and Snes and N64 and gamecube game downloads we were promised?
I checked a week ago and there are a grand total of 2 Nes games available right now...
3DS is doing well but the Wii U is not...

mainly because their are almost 0 games made for it

Oh yeah also SOME NEW IP'S WOULD BE NICE!!!
Im getting tired of buying all these stupid remakes of older games Nintendo...
 

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PoolCleaningRobot said:
xaszatm said:
strumbore said:
Nintendo has sold its soul to the Gimmick Gods. That's all there is too it. It needs to get out of the console market forever.

*spit*
I'm sorry, this is extremely stupid. Sold itself to the gimmick gods? Even if that were true, why would it deserve to leave? So you don't like the Wii. At least we have something different into the market.
I don't think anyone has ever used dog shit as pizza topping. That doesn't make it a good thing
I'm sorry, that's has no relations with one another. This is assuming that your personal opinion on the last two consoles are fact. It's not. I personally own a WiiU and Nintendo Land alone has made my purchase worthwhile. New Super Mario Bros Wii U and ZombiU also make it worth it during this incredibly dry period. It's because of those games I played with my friends that 5 of them bought their own consoles and they love it. And that includes the controller. To them, the controller was a wonderful idea. So don't just go "it's crap" like its fact.

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
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I hated Nintendo before Yahtzee made it cool.
I always thought their games were juvenile, repetitive, boring, and overall annoying. And their "innovative" gimmicks were the worst offenders. They keep trying to make kid/family games, which are the most boring games to me, so maybe that's part of it. But in general, Nintendo are just shit - or at best, medicore. The fact that they keep releasing rehashes of the same games doesn't help either.
I take it you don't like Pixar films either then, given that they're also entirely kid/family films? And yet Pixar is possibly the most acclaimed film studio in the world. It's as if entertainment made for families can appeal to both children and adults. And maybe adults, real 'adults', do't have a problem admitting they enjoy stuff that's more family orientated. I mean, that would also explain why Studio Ghibli is one of the other most acclaimed studios in the world...
I take it you also don't like movies like Django which unflinchingly thrusts your face into the kind of abuse and violence that happened against the slaves in pre-civil war America? I'd like to see Pixar's family-friendly take on that

My point, I loved the Incredibles and Up but there's a reason I don't watch Disney Channel
So you're saying that only one gets to exist? That if Django Unchanged is what you like, then The Incredibles must be taken out of the picture? Guess what? There are different demographics in movies, just like in video games. You can enjoy both, but some might prefer others.

I still don't understand the hatred of Nintendo on the forums. The desire for it to fall like it's a dictator that murdered your family is just outragous. I have seem some great complaints about Nintendo and I personally find Nintendo to blame for its financial situation but the hatred is just overwhelming on these forums...
 

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As much as I LOVE my GameCube, why does this site have such a nerd-crush on it? It sold horribly, especially when compared to the gold mine that the Wii has been, and by the end of the year, I fully expect the Wii-U to have nearly double it's first year sales with 7-8 million is my guess, once the games roll out.
 

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There was a time when Nintendo pushed gaming forward. They were always on the cutting edge of new technology and ideas. They had a simple system: take tried and true gaming franchises and use the characters in new/interesting ways.

For example, transferring traditional 2D side-scrollers to 3D gave us the wondrous "Super Mario 64", "Metroid Prime", and "Ocarina of Time". They're the company that allows their major characters to go karting or to engage in continuity breaking brawls for no reason other than "its fun". They weren't afraid to throw their characters into strange, new situations ("Hey, let's take that character who started as a 2P pallet swap and lets base an entire game around how he became a ghost buster!" "Hey! Let's turn our major side-scrolling franchise into an RPG that looks like a pop-up story book!")

Even when retreading old ground, they never let their franchises turn stale. When an "Ocarina of Time" knock off was made for the Game Cube, they took a risk with a uniquely lighthearted art design that bordered on a western animation/anime crossover and packed the game with humor and personality hitherto unseen in the Zelda franchise. And of course, they added some water and sailing. The result was the absolutely amazing "The Wind Waker" (which is still one of my favorite games, 10 years after it was released. And no, this isn't nostalgia, I did a full play through for the first time just last summer.)

And lets not forget that they've been THE major player in the mobile market for the longest time. The Game Boy is a staple of many childhoods and the DS, while it seems dumb on paper, works surprisingly well for a system built around a couple of gimmicks (largely because the gimmicks add something that wasn't there before and they are entirely optional). Run into any public space and shout "I wanna be the very best!" and see what happens.

However, somewhere along the line they tripped. Their recent foray into technological innovation resulted in a system built entirely around horrible motion controls and rather obnoxious controllers (not to mention being severely behind the competition in system power). Now they have a system with the most obtusely conceived controller that only takes away from the gaming experience.

In fact, much of their recent work seems to be subtraction. They keep removing stuff from their franchises and systems, hoping to "return to basics" and find that sweet feeling that made Mario so wonderful in the first place. But they are forgetting that Nintendo has always been equal parts familiarity and freshness. Right now, they are spinning their wheels in familiar territory while their franchises rot and stagnate around them.

"Metroid: Other M" turned the cornerstone of strong female protagonists into a mewling baby. "LoZ: Skyward Sword" forgot to add anything unique to its game and the result was forgettable characters and an underwhelming adventure (which seems like the wrong word for "a hero completes needlessly complicated tasks to swat a guy back into his hole multiple times"). Mario's recent forays ("SM Galaxy 2" and whatever "New Super Mario Brothers" is on ) have fared better, but they both amounted to expansion packs more than actual games. That eclectic attitude that brought us "Wario Ware", "Luigi's Mansion", and "Paper Mario" seems to have reigned itself in.

Nintendo hasn't produced anything of substance in a long while. Now, I don't hate them and I don't want them to fail, but I do want them to get a little scared. They've been phoning it in for an entire console generation and it needs to stop.
 

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While I don't share in any malice toward Nintendo, I certainly do understand why people have it. For many people, Nintendo was what got them into gaming, and they feel like they've been left out in the cold as the big N has embraced a wider audience. EA gets a ton of flack (not undeserved) for the homoginezation of its games, but with the Wii, to many it seems like that was done with the whole console. The Wii helped produce more shovelware than I've seen since the market was flooded back in the 80s.

Another problem are the core Nintendo titles. One of the things that made Nintendo so big was its ability to take great ideas and make them even better with subsequent iterations. Super Mario Bros. was great, SMB 2 took paltforming to a really interesting place with some neat mechanics, SMB 3 is a classic for the ages and SMB World took the formula amazing heights. If you look at SMB Wii, it seemed like it was copying ideas from SMB 3 wholesale despite the fact that SMB 3 had already been outdone. At some point, Nintendo quit improving those beloved titles and started simply cannabalizing its old ideas, creating games that weren't even as good as ones they created decades ago.

In short, the first issue made it seem like NIntendo no longer cared about its audience and the second issue drove it home. It wasn't that Nintendo simply made some mistakes, but seemed to deliberately shun the people who helped make it a great company while simultaneously ripping that audience off by trying to resell them 20 year old ideas. I hope Nintendo is successful. I hope Nintendo realizes its mistakes and fixes them. And I hope Nintendo gets back to what it used to do so very well, but if Nintendo continues to act as if people who don't count gaming as a core hobby are more important to market to than those who do, they can expect for those that do to shun them in return.
All of this and more, it seems to me that BigN want to get as many consumers as possible for the cheapest buy in price, and while that may make BUSINESS sense, it make no sense whatsoever to non-business people, in fact it make no practical sense either. How many times are they going to Frankenstein their franchises before getting the ole shovel out and digging up some obscure corpse of a game from 30 years ago? Giving the freshly exhumed body a bit of make up and a few air fresheners to hide the decay and masquerade as a worthwhile product to siphon money out of new and old gamers alike.
Nostalgia is a wonderful thing, playing to nostalgia is likewise a wonderful thing but there comes a point where the same beat is hit so many times you've broken that particular bit that made it interesting, and since nobody remembers how to fix it they just wallpaper some bullshit over the damage and act like they haven't done a better job on a shoestring budget shit graphics and 8bit chiptunes
I can understand this position, some gamers may have nostalgia towards Nintendo and feel they they are being abandoned by Nintendo's direction. But looking at it from their perspective, you could also say that much of the 'core' gamer crowd has also abandoned Nintendo, what with the emergence of Sony and Microsoft into the console wars and a new generation of gamers being entirely devoted to either one. For much of this Nintendo is to blame, it started with the N64 where with their insistence on cartridges and I guess a greater degree of control they started losing 3rd party development to Sony (ex: Final Fantasy). By the time they came out with the Gamecube, there was full scale abandonment going on as most gamers were getting behind Sony or Microsoft. Which one can't forget are massive multi-purpose corporations able to sink a lot more money into the race to win it than Nintendo can.

That's the problem I have with your view on things. Had Nintendo gone the direction you would have wanted for the last gen they would have just continued to fade into obscurity. You can't get by on nostalgia alone, as we saw with Sega when they dropped out of the console race despite the Dreamcast being a damn good console. Nintendo had to do something different to remain relevant, and while the Wii-U remains to be seen with the Wii they were highly successful.

As for negativity on this site? Well I won't speak much about the forums as this is the internet and you'll find people to bash everything, and these are the people are always the most eager to speak up. But there is something to be said that every single new article posted about the Wii-U on the Escapists takes a shot at Nintendo in some manner, I don't think I've seen a single neutral-to-positive article in the last 6 months.
 

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xaszatm said:
PoolCleaningRobot said:
xaszatm said:
strumbore said:
Nintendo has sold its soul to the Gimmick Gods. That's all there is too it. It needs to get out of the console market forever.

*spit*
I'm sorry, this is extremely stupid. Sold itself to the gimmick gods? Even if that were true, why would it deserve to leave? So you don't like the Wii. At least we have something different into the market.
I don't think anyone has ever used dog shit as pizza topping. That doesn't make it a good thing
I'm sorry, that's has no relations with one another. This is assuming that your personal opinion on the last two consoles are fact. It's not. I personally own a WiiU and Nintendo Land alone has made my purchase worthwhile. New Super Mario Bros Wii U and ZombiU also make it worth it during this incredibly dry period. It's because of those games I played with my friends that 5 of them bought their own consoles and they love it. And that includes the controller. To them, the controller was a wonderful idea. So don't just go "it's crap" like its fact.
Sure its related. You said "at least we have something different in the market" as though that instantly makes anything different a good thing. It does not. I'm not sure what 2 consoles you're talking about, but my 'opinion' of the Wii is that it does not have games I want and the xbox, ps3, and pc do. And my 'opinion' of the WiiU is that I don't like touch screen based games that look as good the console I've owned for years. I won't lie. I own 2 DS's. My favorite game for it that I played with my sister was New Super Mario Bros because it only used the touch screen for items and a map. It also makes sense when the second screen is under the first so there isn't a lot of looking around. On the other hand, Star Fox Command used the touch screen for every single one of its controls rather than the buttons. Not even an option. I've seen Nintendo ruin too many good games with their focus on their damn peripherals. Thats why I bought a ps vita instead of 3DS. I'm still not sure of vita's success in the future, but I know I'll get to play (and I do play) games in a more traditional way while being enhanced by gimmicks, not ruined by them

I take it you also don't like movies like Django which unflinchingly thrusts your face into the kind of abuse and violence that happened against the slaves in pre-civil war America? I'd like to see Pixar's family-friendly take on that

My point, I loved the Incredibles and Up but there's a reason I don't watch Disney Channel
So you're saying that only one gets to exist? That if Django Unchanged is what you like, then The Incredibles must be taken out of the picture? Guess what? There are different demographics in movies, just like in video games. You can enjoy both, but some might prefer others.
I'll let you in on a secret: that was my fucking point. Ps3, Xbox, and pc have plenty of (if we keep using this analogy) Pixar type vidyas. The difference between between them and Nintendo is that Nintendo doesn't seem to want the Quentin Tarantino Django style vidyas. That's why I don't like Nintendo right now. The gamecube had multiplatform games like the ps2 and the Xbox alongside their catalog of Nintendo games. I was too young to figure this out when I bought a Wii because I wasn't into adult games at the time. Nintendo made me choose between them and every other great 3rd party and adult Django-like games. I chose playstation and Metal Gear Solid 4 was easily better than any of the games I owned on the Wii despite the fact that I owned more Wii games than ps3 (and pc) games. The difference is my playstation games were funner and lasted me a lot longer so I bought less

ALL THAT SHIT SAID, I don't know whether or not the WiiU is, or will be, a failure or a bad console. I won't criticize you for liking the Wii or the WiiU. Its all about what games you like. I don't think the Wii U will be as far behind as the Wii was when it comes to Sony or Microsoft's next gen consoles so maybe these games I want will come out for the Wii U too. Maybe I'll someday be convinced to buy a Wii U. But as it stands right now, Nintendo wants tablet controllers and a console with games that look a lot like the one's I've been playing on ps3 for the last 4 years and I'm ready to move on
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
So Wii Sports, one of the most successful games of all time, wasn't a new IP? Dr Kawashima's Brain Training wasn't a new IP? Xenoblade wasn't a new IP? Nintendogs wasn't a new IP? Pushmo and Crashmo aren't new IPs? The Wonderful 101 isn't a new IP?

If you're going to ignore every time Nintendo does make a new game or series, can you blame them for deciding to keep making Mario games? Mario sells. Xenoblade, apparently, didn't. And yet they're still getting Monolith Soft to work on a sequel/successor.

Maybe if you started looking for more than Mario and Zelda, you might just find something...
To be fair, Xenoblade is pretty much a Xenosaga successor so it technically really isn't a new IP but I agree with the rest. Also, good to see you back! Xenoblade also is awesome but I personally prefered The Last Story...if only because I love mocking it.
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
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I take it you also don't like movies like Django which unflinchingly thrusts your face into the kind of abuse and violence that happened against the slaves in pre-civil war America? I'd like to see Pixar's family-friendly take on that

My point, I loved the Incredibles and Up but there's a reason I don't watch Disney Channel
You did read what I said, didn't you?

Nowhere did I say that there's anything wrong with adult media. As a fan of Quentin Tarantino, Lamb Of God and porn, I love entertainment that's not meant for kids.

I was countering the idea that because something is 'family friendly' or 'kiddy', that somehow makes it of lesser value, or even not worth bothering for 'real' gamers. It's an idea which is taking greater hold as time goes on, but it's total rubbish.
*takes deep breath* JEFFEEEEERRRRRRRRSSSSSSS!!!!!

Whenever someone mentions Nintendo must you always show up to fellate Nintendo's throbbing cock?

We've had this argument before (though you've probably had this same argument more). The adult games I want aren't on the Wii. I don't know if any new ones will come to the Wii U. And Sin and Punishment and Metroid Prime 3 are not seriously adult games in my eyes (they are not on the same level as Django in anyone's eyes). And, just because there are a lot of good family friendly movies doesn't mean every kid title that Nintendo releases is worth an adult's time. And saying "kiddy games are good" does not counter "there are not a lot adult games on the Wii"

Edit: forgot

I would assume the reason you don't watch the Disney Channel is because it's full of mindless crap like Hannah Montana and similar shite. If it regularly showed stuff akin to The Incredibles or Beauty And The Beast, are you saying you still wouldn't watch it? Honestly? Because I know I would.
You're description of Disney Channel sounds a lot like Nintendo's game catalog for the Wii.

Woops! did I just say that out loud?!
 

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It's possible to be "Adult" without being full of swears or gratuitous violence/skin.

You might not like them, but you can't objectively say that they aren't adult.
 

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xaszatm said:
To be fair, Xenoblade is pretty much a Xenosaga successor so it technically really isn't a new IP but I agree with the rest. Also, good to see you back! Xenoblade also is awesome but I personally prefered The Last Story...if only because I love mocking it.
Mostly in name only though; there really aren't any themes or motifs that could connect it to Xenosaga (or the legendary Xenogears).

Sean951 said:
As much as I LOVE my GameCube, why does this site have such a nerd-crush on it? It sold horribly, especially when compared to the gold mine that the Wii has been, and by the end of the year, I fully expect the Wii-U to have nearly double it's first year sales with 7-8 million is my guess, once the games roll out.
I don't know, hipster logic? It's the same reason people gush about the Dreamcast despite it only having a handful of gems. I would most people trying to retroactively praise probably didn't buy one new.
 

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j-e-f-f-e-r-s said:
Oh Jesus not this again...
Yes, my bitterness has already been shown to be misplaced in the case of Bayonetta, but I cannot find anywhere the specifics of why Monster Hunter became exclusive. Maybe it's SEGA and Sony I should be angry at. But at the end of the day, the games are on the Wii U and that's what I don't like. I just find it hard to believe that reasonably late in the development Sony said "Look, I know you're making a game but if you don't put trophies in you can take it somewhere else".

Mobile gaming is in a decline. Too much cheap shovelware, microtransactions and generally crappy games is bloating the market, and making it far less profitable than it once was. The 3DS, by contrast, is going from strength to strength. Nintendo handhelds look to be around a while yet, at least...
Now that I can believe. At least the development costs keep the games worthwhile, to an extent.
 

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Because overzealous people take apathy as hate. A lot of people are way to binary. "If you're not with me you're against me" kind of thing. I'm sure there is some Nintendo hate, but it's not "extreme." Most of us just don't care, and don't like being told that we should out of "respect" or some other horse shit.
 

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Give me a Skies of Arcadia 2 and then i might consider a Wii U for that (till an emulator comes about), other than that I don't like motion controls, the screen on the controller and the fact that when the other 2 next gen consoles come out the third party support will likely drop to the level that the original Wii has.

Either way i'll stick to my pc, I only have a cheap old 360 for Forza.
 

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PoolCleaningRobot said:
Lol. Those games are also shit.
Wow, amazing debate skills on display right here.
I certainly think so.

"I don't like the Wii because I don't want the games that come out for it"
"But these games came out for it"
"Those are the games I'm talking about that I don't want"

That stuff you said about Django
I brought it up in the first place because someone made the comparison of family friendly video games to Pixar movies that are good, family friendly, and thought provoking. So, I brought up Django because it was good, NOT family friendly, and thought provoking. You can't tackle issues about the abuse of slaves in the South without showing depictions of said abuse just because it isn't something children should see, quite the opposite. Its important to remember our history and to turn away from it is wrong

what kind of violence?
locking slaves naked inside metal boxes on hot summer days to teach them a lesson about trying to escape, forcing slaves in fights to the death, etc.

Can games be about adult content without being violent? Of course. I can't help but notice your avatar. I love Persona 3 and 4 and they do a great job of tackling mature issues. Then again, those games were rated M (I don't think I would stop my kids from playing them though).

a response to your part about games on the Wii and Wii U
The sarcastic response about Call of Duty and Just Dance was in response to Jeffers linking me some page that claims the best game ever made was Mario Galaxy 2. My point, was that I don't care about numbers and scores and reviews when I don't want to play a game in the first place. I don't think Mario Galaxy was a bad game, but I'd rather spend the next month playing Persona 4 instead of a new Nintendo game and if that means owning a vita instead of a Wii U then so be it

Nintendo vs Xbox vs PS3 part
I agree that Nintendo was better than xbox last gen. I don't think very highly of a company that charges a monthly subscription and fills your console with advertisements. Like you said, Nintendo didn't have all the titles but it had titles worth playing. Except I don't have the time nor the money to play all the good vidyas and I decided I'd rather play the gamz that came out on ps3 and the pc.

Look, all I want in this whole argument is to get my point across that Nintendo hasn't been a perfect company and their cons FOR ME out weight the cons of other consoles. I like my playstation but Sony isn't above criticism either. And I don't like it when people like Jeffers basically tell me my taste in games is shit and I need to switch to playing only Nintendo games