What's with the extreme Nintendo Hate?

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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I hate to repeat myself but the fact that they have the same characters does not mean they are the same game. Are you seriously arguing that all mario and zelda games are exactly the same? If you are I can only assume you haven't played them.

I have been gaming since 1984 and I've played on all platforms except maybe a couple of obscure hand helds. I can say that Nintendo are a decent company that puts effort into their games, cares about their customers and has designers with imagination. In a world where we are complaining about the fortieth brown grey shooter being put on the market they are making games like Luigi's Mansion 2 and Animal Crossing New Leaf and supporting games like Fire Emblem and Bravely Default Flying Fairy. :S

Why you insist every company has to make 'Fighters, Shooters, and Racers' is beyond me. You may like those games but wanting every game to be that genre is kind of selfish.

Oh and the 3DS has an analogue stick albeit a kind of flat one...did you not know that.

 

[masticina]

Is there allot of Nintendo Hate? Mmm I guess that their schtick to be the odd one out can be a rash on some people. And more important DEVELOPERS. Very important groep of people to please those game developers.

As someone who likes games I haven't yet seen a WiiU title that screams out to me "BUY BUY BUY NOW" no. I don't own a WiiU yet because of said reason. I don't HATE the WiiU I am merely waiting till it has something to offer me that I would love.

Maybe that Lego Game. But then again that is just 1 game. And no I don't count Mario and other first party titles. I mean the Wii and the Gamecube both did get quite some Mario, Zelda and other first party titles but a big but. Where they really "revolutionairy" better then the older titles.

Mario for the WiiU, what is the added functionality, a person on the gamepad can make things appear in the level.
Oooookay..

I don't know but right now Nintendo isn't drawing me in. And it doesn't seems to do much for developers either..

I get it other console makers also at times are a bit to lazy but. There are big differences between the xbox and xbox 360. Same with the PS2 and the PS3. When Sony and Microsoft bring out a console yes it is a big expensive gamble. BUT they tend to be very much improved. A Must Have list on a microsoft or sony console tends to draw some really good third party titles. A Must have list on a nintendo console will have Mario and Zelda on top... do you see the problem.

I am not sure if Nintendo can play that game..I am not sure if they can get the ball rolling and get 3rd party goes of such a great quality that you know it is worth owning a WiiU.

I am not saying WiiU games suck.. no.. I am saying that I don't yet see that amount and quality of games that will draw me in.

And before you ask, I don't do shooters so in my "must own" list there are none to almost no shooters. So no.. I don't judge the situation based upon Cod of Duty .. seriously those fish are in the a barrel.. that is weak sauce.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

some people have theorized that if the wiiu crashes and burns nintendo will drop out of the console market and just develop games. I don't know if that would be the case no matter how bad the wiiu fails, but as someone who loves mario and zelda but thinks the wii is to this day some the worst money ive ever spent, I'd love to see that happen.

At very least I'd like nintendo to get a rude wakeup call that their casual market was a one time freak accident that wont stick around to support sales so they'll stop trying to pander to them and focus on making not-shit.

 

[deadish]

What's with all the hate?

Mostly annoyance with Nintendo fanboys really. Criticize Nintendo in anyway and the Nintendo Defense Force jumps into action regardless how justified the criticism is.

Nintendo dead? Not a chance, they have a big enough stockpile of raw cash to just keep going for a good 50 years or oss and break even.

Nintendo irrelevant? That remains to be seen, we had this with the 3DS, the Wii U needs games, those games are coming, it's just unfortunate that it wws launched before many of them were out and even some of the launch games themselves could be considered too early (ZombiU as an example).

Nintendo are going nowhere, we're far more likely to see Microsoft or Sony drop out than Nintendo for financial reasons, Microsoft is losing relevancy ina lot of areas and Sony's stuff in other areas just isn't doing that well.

But can't use this "stockpile of raw cash" to R&D up a console with hardware that isn't a generation behind ...

 

[ItsNotRudy]

or Skyward Sword? Because none of those games were anything even close to a rehash.

Skyward Sword was basically Wind Waker in the sky, sans the actual interesting things in the vast span of the gap you're crossing.

 

[The White Hunter]

What's with all the hate?

Mostly annoyance with Nintendo fanboys really. Criticize Nintendo in anyway and the Nintendo Defense Force jumps into action regardless how justified the criticism is.

Nintendo dead? Not a chance, they have a big enough stockpile of raw cash to just keep going for a good 50 years or oss and break even.

Nintendo irrelevant? That remains to be seen, we had this with the 3DS, the Wii U needs games, those games are coming, it's just unfortunate that it wws launched before many of them were out and even some of the launch games themselves could be considered too early (ZombiU as an example).

Nintendo are going nowhere, we're far more likely to see Microsoft or Sony drop out than Nintendo for financial reasons, Microsoft is losing relevancy ina lot of areas and Sony's stuff in other areas just isn't doing that well.

But can't use this "stockpile of raw cash" to R&D up a console with hardware that isn't a generation behind ...

Hey I never claimed they were smart with their cash. They've probably tried to low-end lightning in a bottle appraoch of the Wii again. And it failed, but to be fair the last time they competed on power (the gamecube) it flopped horribly for them, even though the N64 could also be considered a flop, with it's huge gulf in third party content relative to the PS1.

The 3DS is great, just wish I could say the same of my Wii U, thing needs games and it needs them 3 months ago.

 

[Casual Shinji]

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I hate to repeat myself but the fact that they have the same characters does not mean they are the same game. Are you seriously arguing that all mario and zelda games are exactly the same? If you are I can only assume you haven't played them.

Having different characters helps though. When people say "Nintendo just keeps making the same game", what I think they mean is that they keep using the same characteristics. The same Mario, the same Link, going through the same overarching ordeal as they have been for years.

Creating a new character in a new world with a new visual style can add some freshness. And depended on this new character and world, it can open up newer gameplay possibilities.

 

[deadish]

Hey I never claimed they were smart with their cash. They've probably tried to low-end lightning in a bottle appraoch of the Wii again. And it failed, but to be fair the last time they competed on power (the gamecube) it flopped horribly for them, even though the N64 could also be considered a flop, with it's huge gulf in third party content relative to the PS1.

The 3DS is great, just wish I could say the same of my Wii U, thing needs games and it needs them 3 months ago.

The Gamecube failed because they were late, very late. Developers also hated the min-DVD format due to reduce storage space. But it's failure was mainly due to being late to market - the PS2 more or less had already eaten up the entire market.

N64 ... I have it on good authority that the hardware was "head of it's time", the technology of the time just wasn't ready, and not a very good design. Sticking to carts hurt it pretty bad too. It too was late to market - brand name then helped it from tanking completely. With the PS1 being a pretty darn decently designed machine with a CD-ROM drive ... N64 didn't stand much of a chance.

I figured with all the money from the Wii, they would pull up their socks and make a decent machine this time round. What did we get? Dated hardware again and more gimmicks.

 

[Arcadian Legend]

I'll start by saying I friggin' love Nintendo. Always have done since I played my first ever game in Super Mario Bros 3 for the NES when I was 3-4. Now, while I still do think the big N is a great publisher and console dev, the problem is the Wii U, I have no qualms with the Game Pad, but there are so few exclusives to pull me in I don't really want to bother with the thing until its exclusives library expands enough with both 1st, 2nd AND 3rd party exclusives to draw me in. When that happens Nintendo can have my wallet. Honestly I can't help but feel the Wii U would have done a lot better had Ninty delayed the thing until later this year. Mind you it would have then gone up against the Nextbox and the PS4, but... Well, with every bit of news and rumours about them they're sounding less and less enticing by the week. Especially the Nextbox. If the talks surrounding that turn out to be true I'm not touching it with a 20ft pole. It's a shame because I really like Sony's gaming hardware and exclusives, not so much the Xbox, as I kinda left my 360 to gather dust the moment I bought a PS3. Also some great local multiplayers are a must. Nintendo have always been on top when it comes to games with local MP and I doubt that will ever change to be honest.

Unlike the seemingly gradual decline for Nintendo consoles though, their handhelds have done nothing but soar lately, save for a dip when the 3DS launched but they recovered from that. (Though to be fair not many consoles do have great launch lineups) The 3DS is just so good, there are so many games that I still want to get for the system it makes both my head and wallet spin. Then again I don't think Nintendo has ever failed in the handheld market, unless you count the Virtual Boy. As far as home consoles are concerned, I can understand why people are disappointed with Nintendo. Not extreme hate though, that's just a gross over-exaggeration. For most at least.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

Extreme? Well there are extreme haters everywhere.

I have complaints on each of the main.

Nintendo: overusing gimmicks, game elements, and re-releases.
Microsoft: gauging people for an online service, failing to respect developers.
Sony: not responding to what gamers actually want.

All of them: pushing the "better graphics = better games" mentality

And I also like each of them for certain reasons.

Nintendo: trying to make games for everyone.
Microsoft: still supporting PC gaming.
Sony: taking the initiative for putting media support into their consoles.

 

[MetalDooley]

You're joking about the Xenoblade Chronicles right? Don't get me wrong, it's certainly a fantastic game but you do know it's from the Xeno series, right?

To be fair Xenoblade could be counted as a new IP seeing as it wasn't actually part of the Xeno series at all.It started off as a completely seperate title called Monado:Beginning of the World and the name was only changed late in development.Not sure why as from what I've heard it has little to do with the rest of the Xeno games but I guess maybe they thought it would sell better if it had a recognisable name

No, just observant and more cultured. As someone who's played thousands of games, my educated opinion holds a bit more weight than the people I know who will only play games by Nintendo and EA. Similarly, people who will listen to any music generally have better taste than people who will only listen to songs they heard about on Disney channel and go out of their way to avoid any contact with anything outside their little bubble.

"I don't have a superiority complex.I'm just more observant,more cultured,better educated and have better taste than most people"

Comedy gold right there my friend

So why Nintendo continues to make Mario game after Zelda game after Mario game is beyond me

You know what the most common complaint I heard after Nintendos E3 conference last year was?Where was Zelda and Metroid?

The reason Nintendo keeps making games in their biggest franchises is because that's what people want.New Super Mario Bros Wii,Super Mario Galaxy and Mario Kart Wii have sold around 70 million copies combined.Of course they're going to keep releasing Mario games looking at those figures

I get it other console makers also at times are a bit to lazy but.There are big differences between the xbox and xbox 360.

I don't know if I'd call more power big differences to be honest and that's coming from someone who owns both consoles.

 

[Moonlight Butterfly]

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I hate to repeat myself but the fact that they have the same characters does not mean they are the same game. Are you seriously arguing that all mario and zelda games are exactly the same? If you are I can only assume you haven't played them.

Having different characters helps though. When people say "Nintendo just keeps making the same game", what I think they mean is that they keep using the same characteristics. The same Mario, the same Link, going through the same overarching ordeal as they have been for years.

Creating a new character in a new world with a new visual style can add some freshness. And depended on this new character and world, it can open up newer gameplay possibilities.

Most people don't play Nintendo games for the story though they play it for the gameplay. Sonic is a good example of what happens when you try to add depth to something like Mario...

 

[Lovely Mixture]

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I hate to repeat myself but the fact that they have the same characters does not mean they are the same game. Are you seriously arguing that all mario and zelda games are exactly the same? If you are I can only assume you haven't played them.

Having different characters helps though. When people say "Nintendo just keeps making the same game", what I think they mean is that they keep using the same characteristics. The same Mario, the same Link, going through the same overarching ordeal as they have been for years.

Creating a new character in a new world with a new visual style can add some freshness. And depended on this new character and world, it can open up newer gameplay possibilities.

Most people don't play Nintendo games for the story though they play it for the gameplay. Sonic is a good example of what happens when you try to add depth to something like Mario...

Except his post doesn't mention that.

New characters, new world, new ideas, etc.

He doesn't want "more story" he wants freshness.

I even agree that Nintendo doesn't focus on story, I mean I would like them (where it could be added at least, not Mario

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

Except his post doesn't mention that.

New characters, new world, new ideas, etc.

He doesn't want "more story" he wants freshness.

Here's the thing about Nintendo: making a new franchise MUST be a calculated effort. It must legitimately NOT be able to be categorized as anything but NEW. Nintendo have more respect for the medium than that; they're not just going to make a random platformer when in fact they can just use that for the next NSMB. They know that making something NEW requires more than just a name. They only make a new series when they're certain they can't categorize it as another Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Star Fox, Donkey Kong, etc.

 

[Casual Shinji]

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I hate to repeat myself but the fact that they have the same characters does not mean they are the same game. Are you seriously arguing that all mario and zelda games are exactly the same? If you are I can only assume you haven't played them.

Having different characters helps though. When people say "Nintendo just keeps making the same game", what I think they mean is that they keep using the same characteristics. The same Mario, the same Link, going through the same overarching ordeal as they have been for years.

Creating a new character in a new world with a new visual style can add some freshness. And depended on this new character and world, it can open up newer gameplay possibilities.

Most people don't play Nintendo games for the story though they play it for the gameplay. Sonic is a good example of what happens when you try to add depth to something like Mario...

I'm not talking story, I'm talking set-up. Instead of Mario saving Peach in the same Mushroom Kingdom setting, have the main character be like an Indian princess in a magical Hindoe world or something. It can have the same amount of gameplay focus as Mario or Zelda, but the shift in set-up can turn it into a vastly different experience. Just look at Okami.

 

[Ironbat92]

Can say that I've seen people celebrating, Openly declaring Nintendo dead, or Screaming to the high heavens that Nintendo needs to die. I think we're just disappointed with Nintendo, not hating them. Nintendo has made a lot of bad issues with the Wii U as of late. Releasing it when only a handful of games, that are cheaper and better on other consoles, barely releasing any games for it, and with there recent E3 announcement, we're just disappointed with them. Same thing happened with Sony at the start of this now dying generation; They seemed more like they were waving there Dick and boosting how awesome it was going to be. What happened, They learned the hard way that having the ability to play blu-raying and being backward compatible didn't matter because the lack of games and a $600 price tag hurt the system. Now, the PS3 did come back strong, but the launch had them sitting in 3rd place this generation. That seems to be the fate of Nintendo, Thinking "Hey we did well last generation, that means we don't need to try as hard as we did to win this one" which seems to be an attitude that happens at the start of every new generation. That's my 2 cents on the this.

 

[Lovely Mixture]

Except his post doesn't mention that.

New characters, new world, new ideas, etc.

He doesn't want "more story" he wants freshness.

Here's the thing about Nintendo: making a new franchise MUST be a calculated effort. It must legitimately NOT be able to be categorized as anything but NEW. Nintendo have more respect for the medium than that; they're not just going to make a random platformer when in fact they can just use that for the next NSMB. They know that making something NEW requires more than just a name. They only make a new series when they're certain they can't categorize it as another Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Star Fox, Donkey Kong, etc.

Oh definitely, and that's why I understand why they haven't released a new IP or are spending a long time on their next one.

I feel Nintendo's strength is also it's greatest weakness. They know what they do well, but they're nervous about going outside that.

Heh, not unlike the anime industry.

 

[Casual Shinji]

Except his post doesn't mention that.

New characters, new world, new ideas, etc.

He doesn't want "more story" he wants freshness.

Here's the thing about Nintendo: making a new franchise MUST be a calculated effort. It must legitimately NOT be able to be categorized as anything but NEW. Nintendo have more respect for the medium than that; they're not just going to make a random platformer when in fact they can just use that for the next NSMB. They know that making something NEW requires more than just a name. They only make a new series when they're certain they can't categorize it as another Mario, Zelda, Metroid, Fire Emblem, Advance Wars, Star Fox, Donkey Kong, etc.

If that's true, isn't that kind of an assembly line way of making games?

"Is it a platformer? Make it Mario.
Is it an action adventure? Make it Zelda."

And most if not all of these characters are stuck in their gameplay ways. Mario will always jump on enemies or shoot fireballs at them, and Link will always be fighting with sword and shield, and his collection of boomerang/hookshot gizmos. You'll never see Mario sport an anti-gravity ray as a main attack, or Link fighting enemies with a transforming robot arm.

 

[Aiddon_v1legacy]

Oh definitely, and that's why I understand why they haven't released a new IP or are spending a long time on their next one.

I feel Nintendo's strength is also it's greatest weakness. They know what they do well, but they're nervous about going outside that.

Heh, not unlike the anime industry.

No, it really isn't their greatest weakness. They have more respect for the medium than to pretend something with a different coat of paint is a new series. Better to just keep their war horses going (and NONE of them are in danger of losing steam anytime soon) than to just fart stuff out randomly and pretend it's new.