What's wrong with PC gamers?

[crimson5pheonix]

I recently read a PC gaming magazine and a console gaming magazine. After reading them I realized the PC gaming referenced "console tards" several times and upholding the keyboard/mouse as the better control scheme. The console gaming magazine talked about console games. That got me thinking that PC gamers defend their PC's against consoles far more than console owners defend against other consoles. Why do PC gamers feel like their PC's need defending? It seems to me that console gamers want to game while PC gamers want to defend their investment and act superior to other gamers, like their afraid they paid for a console that really isn't all that fun. Why can't PC gamers be happy they have a great system to play games on in addition to utilitarian tasks? Only PC gamers vehemently defend their controller. Most console gamers will only defend their controller for a little while after provoked before getting back to gaming. So why the hate PC gamers, why?

 

[Mykin]

I don't have this problem. Mostly due to the fact that I have 2 consoles and this computer. But I think it has something to do with piracy and how some moronic people that make games for the PC are thinking about screwing the PC gaming industry for the console for that ludicrous reason. Its something I don't get since piracy has been around for a while and hasn't been really bad until EA came out with it's player punishing device called a DEM. Then again I have to plee ignorant because I really don't know why the pirates see fit to screw the rest of us over or why PC gamers are paranoid but that's my take on the subject anyway.

 

[zen5887]

My god if anyone quote yahtzee I will be pissed..

To answer the question im not sure.. Maybe because PC gamers are more full on, with having custom made mouses, insane cooling systems and whatnot or maybe its the fact that a lot of consol gamers fall into the "Woooo bro! Halo!!' demographic

 

[werepossum]

I don't understand it myself. I only game on a PC, but it's personal preference, not any inherent superiority. The mouse is more accurate for aiming in shooters than any console controller, but personally I use a trackball and joystick combination because I find it more immersive - I hate using the keyboard.

To be fair, though, the PC is just a platform. Some of the biggest flame wars are over XBOX versus Playstation.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

My god if anyone quote yahtzee I will be pissed..

To answer the question im not sure.. Maybe because PC gamers are more full on, with having custom made mouses, insane cooling systems and whatnot or maybe its the fact that a lot of consol gamers fall into the "Woooo bro! Halo!!' demographic

No, I'm talking the whole console gaming demographic. I have never actually seen a console gamer, period, defend the gamepad unless someone told them a keyboard/mouse was better than laugh in their face. This includes console gamers who hate Halo. It's just a bit of a subconscious thing as proved by

I don't understand it myself. I only game on a PC, but it's personal preference, not any inherent superiority. The mouse is more accurate for aiming in shooters than any console controller, but personally I use a trackball and joystick combination because I find it more immersive - I hate using the keyboard.

To be fair, though, the PC is just a platform. Some of the biggest flame wars are over XBOX versus Playstation.

You defended the mouse as better than a gamepad in shooters after saying you don't understand why PC gamers do it.

 

[Anti-Social FatMan]

Groups of people always make fun of their inferiors, or their perceived inferiors.

England - the rest of the UK
America - Canada
Australia - New Zealand
PC gamers - console gamers
Hardcore gamers - casual gamers
Everyone who doesn't own a Wii - everyone who owns a Wii
Techies - users

This list could get very, very long. It's just how people are, and it's certainly not a characteristic particular to PC gamers.

 

[Corven]

Groups of people always make fun of their inferiors, or their perceived inferiors.

England - the rest of the UK
America - Canada
Australia - New Zealand
PC gamers - console gamers
Hardcore gamers - casual gamers
Everyone who doesn't own a Wii - everyone who owns a Wii
Techies - users

This list could get very, very long. It's just how people are, and it's certainly not a characteristic particular to PC gamers.

now that's not true at all, we don't make fun of canada....we make fun of mexico(j/k)

but seriously like Anti-Social Fatman said people just like making fun of others.

 

[RufusMcLaser]

There is a definite perception in many PC circles that the PC (which once reigned supreme as a gaming platform) is increasingly losing out to consoles. That is to say, the big-budget publishers are more interested in selling games to the big console platforms, than to PC. This is unquestionably true. It's also unfortunate, as it means they'll be less willing to put money into the genres I love, which are very underrepresented on the console.

It was fun while it lasted, though.

But anyway, when people feel they are losing something because of someone else, it's only natural to react with hostility. (Right? Not necessarily. But definitely normal.) I'm not saying this is the sole driving force behind the "console tard" meme, but it's definitely a factor.

 

[zen5887]

Groups of people always make fun of their inferiors, or their perceived inferiors.

England - the rest of the UK
America - Canada
Australia - New Zealand
PC gamers - console gamers
Hardcore gamers - casual gamers
Everyone who doesn't own a Wii - everyone who owns a Wii
Techies - users

This list could get very, very long. It's just how people are, and it's certainly not a characteristic particular to PC gamers.

That is an awesome list

 

[Anti-Social FatMan]

now that's not true at all, we don't make fun of canada....we make fun of mexico(j/k)

but seriously like Anti-Social Fatman said people just like making fun of others.

I guess it depends where you go, but I often see Canadians portrayed as quaint, passive and simpleminded people by Americans. Not all Americans think like that, and certainly not of all Canadians, but certainly enough for there to be something of a stereotype.

 

[sunje05]

I've been playing PC games since Wolfenstein and yes, im must say that i feel that the PC itself is superior to the conosle.

I do play conosle games on occasion, and some of them are quite good, especailly certain multiplayer games (such as Fifa or beat'em up games) which works better on a console.
With that said, i feel that the arrival of the console have led to a lack of quality in games overall.
The PC have been capable of some quite complex games in the past (such as Jagged Alliance, The fallout series, System Shock, etc..)but with the arrival of the console comes the drive to publish games to multiple platforms. That invariably leads to a certain amount of "dumbing down" of the content, either because of appeal to casual gamers (quest compass) or simple technical limitations (for instance, lack of ram means the game cant keep track of too many different factors).
I have seen a number of good game series turn to garbage on account of this (Deus Ex 2, and coming up: Fallout 3), and since the root cause seems to be the consolification, the "PC superior to conosles" verdict rings true.

I dont think a console neccesarily is a bad system, but i do feel that it has lowered the quality of mainstream games.

 

[Blind0bserver]

My question is how much of these "console tard" comments were said by people writing in to the magazine as opposed to the actual editorial staff?

 

[crimson5pheonix]

My question is how much of these "console tard" comments were said by people writing in to the magazine as opposed to the actual editorial staff?

I counted, 1 mention of console tard by a fan, 5 mentions by professional journalist.

That's beside the point anyway, editor or fan, why hate console gamers?

 

[OuroborosChoked]

Groups of people always make fun of their inferiors, or their perceived inferiors.

England - the rest of the UK
America - Canada
Australia - New Zealand
PC gamers - console gamers
Hardcore gamers - casual gamers
Everyone who doesn't own a Wii - everyone who owns a Wii
Techies - users

This list could get very, very long. It's just how people are, and it's certainly not a characteristic particular to PC gamers.

now that's not true at all, we don't make fun of canada....we make fun of mexico(j/k)

but seriously like Anti-Social Fatman said people just like making fun of others.

Despite the "j/k" tag there, I'd have to agree... Americans often think themselves superior to Mexico. I don't see many Americans saying Canada is inferior to the US... just not as awesome. But Mexico... the US is very culturist toward Mexico.

 

[Blind0bserver]

Huh. I'm a reader of PCGamer and I usually don't see them say these types of things. Hell, I've even heard a member of the staff, Dan Stapleton, say that with some games he preferred a controller.

That aside, I've never really defended the PC as a gaming console because I don't think it's necessary to do so. It's been a viable gaming platform for far longer than even the current console generation's predecessors and has several things going for it (mod support, potential for better graphics, etc) that the consoles do not. The PC doesn't need defending, it can look out for itself...

 

[Jumplion]

You defended the mouse as better than a gamepad in shooters after saying you don't understand why PC gamers do it.

But it is, that undeniable fact. However, that doesn't mean it's the best choice, only that it's the best choice if you want accuracy.

Most of the time it's because us console gamers constantly say "PC gaming is dieing!" or "PCs [insert common PC myth here]!!" and they just get sick of it so they have to defend their investment.

I've seen some pretty bad cases of PC fanboyism, but Console Fanboyism is no different.

 

[werepossum]

SNIP
No, I'm talking the whole console gaming demographic. I have never actually seen a console gamer, period, defend the gamepad unless someone told them a keyboard/mouse was better than laugh in their face. This includes console gamers who hate Halo. It's just a bit of a subconscious thing as proved by

I don't understand it myself. I only game on a PC, but it's personal preference, not any inherent superiority. The mouse is more accurate for aiming in shooters than any console controller, but personally I use a trackball and joystick combination because I find it more immersive - I hate using the keyboard.

To be fair, though, the PC is just a platform. Some of the biggest flame wars are over XBOX versus Playstation.

You defended the mouse as better than a gamepad in shooters after saying you don't understand why PC gamers do it.

No, I acknowledged that the mouse is more accurate (precise) for shooters after saying I don't know why PC gamers call console gamers console-tards and such. Remember, I don't use the mouse myself for gaming; I acknowledge that the mouse is more precise for shooters, but I use joystick and trackball because I find it to be more fun and therefore, better for me. If I were playing shooters for a living, I'd use a mouse and keyboard; I'm not, so I use what to me is the most fun. If I were playing a fighting game for a living, I'd use a console controller. All game genres have controllers that are better suited and more efficient. Complicated flight simulators with sixty or more control combinations would be unusable on a game controller, but a game controller would beat a keyboard without a mouse (and to me would be more fun than a mouse and keyboard, although less fun than a joystick or yoke.) RTS are generally more efficiently played on a keyboard, assuming the optimization capability is there. On the other hand, a person playing a fighting game using mouse and keyboard would be crushed by another using a game controller. Playing a racing game, a gamer using a keyboard would be crushed by a gamer using a controller, who would be crushed by a person using a wheel set on either a PC or a console.

The larger issue though isn't about which controller or system is better overall, or even which controller is better fro a particular genre or game. It's which controller or system is the most fun for the games you enjoy playing. Some gamers prefer playing a shooter with a controller, with automatic targeting replacing the mouse's precise head shots. My point was that this is all for fun; arguing over which system is superior overall is silly. Unless of course you find the arguing fun.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

You defended the mouse as better than a gamepad in shooters after saying you don't understand why PC gamers do it.

But it is, that undeniable fact. However, that doesn't mean it's the best choice, only that it's the best choice if you want accuracy.

Most of the time it's because us console gamers constantly say "PC gaming is dieing!" or "PCs [insert common PC myth here]!!" and they just get sick of it so they have to defend their investment.

I've seen some pretty bad cases of PC fanboyism, but Console Fanboyism is no different.

I've never seen console fanboyism against PC's, but it's not unreasonable. But as far as mice go, I think it's a personal preference. I'm better at aiming with a controller than a mouse. Doesn't mean either one is better or worse though.

 

[ObnoxiousTwat]

Groups of people always make fun of their inferiors, or their perceived inferiors.

England - the rest of the UK
America - Canada
Australia - New Zealand
PC gamers - console gamers
Hardcore gamers - casual gamers
Everyone who doesn't own a Wii - everyone who owns a Wii
Techies - users

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now that's not true at all, we don't make fun of canada....we make fun of mexico(j/k)

My friend I believe that Peter Griffin from Family Guy says it best, "What? Canada sucks"

 

[PurpleRain]

My god if anyone quote yahtzee I will be pissed..

To answer the question im not sure.. Maybe because PC gamers are more full on, with having custom made mouses, insane cooling systems and whatnot or maybe its the fact that a lot of consol gamers fall into the "Woooo bro! Halo!!' demographic

When have I ever said, "Woooo bro! Halo!!'?

I think it's because the 'hardcore' PC users have a superiority complex and can't seem to get it past their heads that consoles are for games only. Not for modding, hacking, rigging, downloading, making speadsheets, but for playing games.

I've been hopless at playing mouse and keyboard combo, prefering to play with the joypad, but I don't argue that joypad is better or keyboard/mouse sucks. It's only a preferance that falls to personal taste. 'Hardcore' (notice the quotation marks everytime I say that) PC users fail to see this as well. It's called being a fanatic.