What's wrong with PC gamers?
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I said that nearly a year ago, look at the post date next time.Housebroken Lunatic said:
But either way, yes, the Keyboard+Mouse option is usually if not always the best choice if you want accuracy in your FPSs. However, as I said in the original post, that does not make it the best overall choice.
Y'know, I'm gonna go with this too. Especially the XBox series, which is simply a cut-down specialized gaming PC with imbedded Windows OS. Of the three major consoles out today, I'd say only the Wii stays at least partly true to the classic console definition- a machine dedicated solely to the playing of games.T5seconds said:
Now, I will make a confession here: I am a PC gamer who owns Halo. (assorted gasps from the audience) I cut my gaming teeth on the Atari 2600 and Intellivision; I was a proud owner of both an NES and a Master System (oh, you thought this whole fanboy thing was new?), and stayed true to Nintendo through the SNES and N64. However, it was Half-Life that really put me on the road to PC gaming- it was a glimpse into something bigger, more complex, and even as I strugged to get 5 FPS in a 320x200 window on my terrible first computer (a Packard-Bell; remember those?) I knew the path I would take into this strange new world.
Why have I stayed, despite consoles themselves becoming more complex and capable of amazing graphics and stories? One word- Mods. I certainly wouldn't still be playing Oblivion today if it weren't for the staggering number of Mods [http://www.tesnexus.com/] available for the PC version of the game, whereas XBox and PS3 owners are stuck with the stock game and the handful of DLC additions available. Ditto the Half-Life series (along with Portal), the Doom series, and no small number of other games, including those that were never meant to be modded (STALKER, for one huge example).
PC gaming is not as expensive as people who aren't familiar with it make it out to believe. You do not have to buy a new $2000 computer every two years just to "keep up with the Joneses", unless you are both rich and extremely lazy. Yes, there is some technical expertise needed to upgrade a gaming PC, but the tradeoff is that I have spent far less keeping my current PC up-to-snuff for current-gen games than it would have cost me to get a PS3 at launch. And while I don't own a 72" HDTV, I DO own a much cheaper 20" LCD monitor, and as it is at the other end of my desk rather than the other end of my living room, the viewing effect is not all that different. (Besides, 1280x1024@75FPS looks pretty darn nice close-up if you ask me; I don't know what 1440x1080@24FPS [that's 1080i, kids] does to the eyes after extended viewing.)
I personally hold no ill feelings towards console gamers. Some folks just want to pop a disc in the machine and play; why not? Console gaming by itself does not harm a PC gamer like me in any way, shape or form. However, there is one tangental issue where problems may come into play: Concurrent development of a game for PC and console. I will point out Thief: Deadly Shadows as a primary culprit here. The first two games of the Thief series involved sprawling, varied cityscapes where the player had plenty of room to hide and skulk about, and could find several ways to enter particular areas based on one's own tastes. TDS, however, was developed primarily for the XBox, and that console's limited memory (64MB) necessitated chopping levels into much smaller chunks and linking them via glowing blue portals. Due to time and budget constraints, these levels (nor the console-centric interface) were not redone for the PC version, leaving PC gamers with what felt like an overly simplified and limited game that didn't do the franchise justice. While console gamers themselves aren't responsible for this sort of thing happening, there is some bleedoff from what I'd consider justifiable anger for this sort of thing happening.
I am one of many PC gamers who feels he's getting the short end of the stick these days, with console-based games getting terrible port jobs while PC-centric games are harder and harder to find. We're no less gamers than you are, and telling us to "just go buy a console" disrespects the time and money we have spent and expects us to accept more limited choice in how we play games. Imagine if 60% of your gaming library started looking like the PS3 port of Half-Life 2 and you might see where we start to get touchy.
and yet Halo changed gaming for the worse forever. if it hadnt been on the Xbox, it would never be noticed, and thus i wouldnt want to kill every game company excluding blizzard for thinking halo or any game that Microsoft comissions is good (except Gears of War, as that is really Unreal Tournament 3)Vlane said:
You know I think you're onto something there. Hardcore PC fans can spend a LOT more time and money customising their set up than, say, an Xbox. This is pretty much a breeding ground for over-obsessives.zen5887 said:
As a PC gamer, who no longer owns any consoles (but hopes to get a PS3 one day) I don't refer to console owners as 'console tards' I think it's ridiculous and VERY unprofessional for a PC magazine to state such a thing publically.
And THENcrimson5pheonix said:
He said he hated using a keyboard and used a console-ish setup instead.
yeah, I know how to use the bold function as well...
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I have friends that play exclusively console, and I have friends that play exclusively PC. I prefer console in most cases but PC for anything released by Bethesda or really anything with a brilliant modding community.
We all get along fine.
Halo changed the gaming world for the worse for you maybe but not for a lot of other people. A lot of people liked the game as it is or else it wouldn't be the franchise it is today.toapat said:
I think Half-Life 2 "changed gaming for the worse" but does everybody think like me? No and it's supposed to be that way.
I'm happy with my PC and the mouse/keyboard-controls. I'll openly say when asked that console FPS have bad controls and try to make up for it with aimbots, which is a total no-go for PC players (unless you're a CHEATER!). I don't go around preaching or anything, though.
And I don't buy magazines unless there's a full game as a bonus that I want to have, so I haven't witnessed the phenomenon the OP describes.
And I don't buy magazines unless there's a full game as a bonus that I want to have, so I haven't witnessed the phenomenon the OP describes.
You've seen the 360/PS3 console wars haven't you? The only reason it doesn't look too dangerous is because most of the console players do not possess the technical knowledge to really defend their console properly, whilst PC gamers have usually nursed their PC to adulthood and know most of the specs required to pass off a coherent argument.crimson5pheonix said:
I think the PC gamers feel like they're being quarantined from the gaming world so to speak, getting shitty ports, delayed release times and sometimes not even getting games at all, whilst the consoles are favoured above them.
When it comes to communites however, I shun the XBL one, which I try not to frequent too often because every bloody time I run into a racist, or a homophobe. At least there are certain circles in the PC communites (NOT Youtube) that have a majority of reasonable and likeable members.
Well put friend when they make it where I can put my disk inside and start to play (like I did with my all time favorite console my ps2 *ps3 hasn?t proven itself yet*) then console gaming will come back but right now its dead to me...The Rogue Wolf said:
And it pisses my off that I have to wait for a game that I?m excited about then wait LONGER for it to install.
Also I know this isn?t on top but can anyone tell me what I do if my ps3 runs out of memory for games?
i said its decent, but very generic, even when there were not enough FPS games to even say there was a generic FPS. everything in Halo excluding regenerating armor had been done before (note that it was the first FPS released with vehicles, others were in production)Vlane said: