I agree, in the same way there's just as much water in a litre as there is in an ocean.Casual Shinji said:There's just as much truth in the Bible as there is in the theory of evolution.
How anyone chooses to interprate this is up to them.
Woodsey said:Well no, not the same way you justify a driving license. If you can drive, you can drive. Trying to gauge if someone should vote by how they justify what they're choosing is near-impossible. Who is anyone to say that voting for Labour because they aren't the Tories is any less a justifiable reason than voting for Labour because they like their manifesto?JoshGod said:The same way you justify a driving license, you wouldn't let someone drive who hasn't passed as it would put people lives at risk, so why should you allow people to vote on who runs the country without showing they are not gunna vote stupidly. I realise this makes me sound like I want everyone to vote like me, I don't, I want people to vote with intelligence.Woodsey said:But how would you justify it? If someone's voting for the BNP because they hate anyone whose got a different skin pigment or who wears a turban, that doesn't make their vote any more thought out, nor is it a particularly good justification from someone else's point of view.JoshGod said:I mean basic understanding of politics, being able to justify their views. And let me extend on that while answering your second point about those who don't know, in the last election for the AV system my mum worked in a polling station, most people turned up asking 'what is av' and she was not allowed to tell them, yet they voted anyway.Woodsey said:That sounds suspiciously like "if your opinion matches my opinion, you can vote". And even if that's not the intention, that's how I could see it ending up as.JoshGod said:I believe that voting is not a right, but a privilege that you should have to show your worth to gain (by worth i mean political awareness and understanding).
The people who don't know anything about politics are less likely to vote anyway. Those who still do vote without knowing anything I doubt make enough of a splash.
And fair enough, but you could argue that's down to a wider issue with referendums themselves, as opposed to people. I don't truly believe that would be the case at a general election, but maybe so.
I appreciate that, however you can easily gauge someone general politcal awareness.
I can see where you're coming from. It's worth remembering that there is a scientific argument as well though, i.e. that GM crops out-compete local variants, and spread uncontrollably when used on a large scale through wind etc and enforce genetic homogeneity by replacing local crops, which in turn makes areas at risk to disease if there is a genetic weakness.Tree man said:Morals and ethics have no place in science and that progress for progress sake should be encouraged rather than discouraged, moral questions only hold us back.
An example of this would be Golden Rice, a rice that is rich in vitamin A genetically engineered and therefore baned form consumption and production.
thousands of people dying of vitamin A deficiency to appease busybodies who claim genetic engineering is evil.
Ultra-Chronic Monstah said:I wouldn't agree that human life is valueless, but it's certainly not as valuable as some people try and make it out to be. And of course, it's value fluctuates wildly based on geography and skin colour. Pro-lifers in the USA will picket medical centres (and kill the occasional doctor) that dares to perform a few hundred or a few thousand abortions per year, yet they seem perfectly happy to let tens of millions die of AIDS or starvation in Africa. If they were really so concerned with saving lives surely that's a more worthwhile use of their time.Cheesus333 said:OT: Human life is valueless. Sorry guys, but that's just how I see it in the long run. If I died, it wouldn't have any affect on the future because the future doesn't exist yet. I would just 'die'. Same goes for everyone.
Also, the afterlife. Death is not a 'next step'; it's simply an absence of life. There is no heaven or hell or anything. When we die, we just... cease to live.
Those are the two I get flack for most.
Also, isn't a particular resource valued by it scarcity? There are 7 billion of us, and that number's going up all the time. As far as a renewable resource goes, we're right up there with solar power and farmed pine trees.
I don't follow how posting my opinion instead of not posting makes me unintelligent, and perhaps i care, but am increadibly lazy and have given up on the political system, also I realise my opinion is controversial and hence would not become a reality and any campainging would be a waste. Also people may be affected by something, but that doesn't mean they understand both sides, and then they make an uninformed decicision.harmypants said:Regardless, people are voting on things that affect them. Whether it be a new system, or representative, or regulation, if it affects the person they should be able to vote.JoshGod said:The same way you justify a driving license, you wouldn't let someone drive who hasn't passed as it would put people lives at risk, so why should you allow people to vote on who runs the country without showing they are not gunna vote stupidly. I realise this makes me sound like I want everyone to vote like me, I don't, I want people to vote with intelligence.Woodsey said:But how would you justify it? If someone's voting for the BNP because they hate anyone whose got a different skin pigment or who wears a turban, that doesn't make their vote any more thought out, nor is it a particularly good justification from someone else's point of view.JoshGod said:I mean basic understanding of politics, being able to justify their views. And let me extend on that while answering your second point about those who don't know, in the last election for the AV system my mum worked in a polling station, most people turned up asking 'what is av' and she was not allowed to tell them, yet they voted anyway.Woodsey said:That sounds suspiciously like "if your opinion matches my opinion, you can vote". And even if that's not the intention, that's how I could see it ending up as.JoshGod said:I believe that voting is not a right, but a privilege that you should have to show your worth to gain (by worth i mean political awareness and understanding).
The people who don't know anything about politics are less likely to vote anyway. Those who still do vote without knowing anything I doubt make enough of a splash.
And fair enough, but you could argue that's down to a wider issue with referendums themselves, as opposed to people. I don't truly believe that would be the case at a general election, but maybe so.
In today's society, intelligence isn't an issue. It's how those higher up can play those down below. If you were truly intelligent you would either..
1) Be in the position that you would be trying to obtain votes, or
2) Not have posted this here, because you don't care enough about the situation.
Evidently, you are not a part of either option.
I agree completely. It's not their fault.LawlessSquirrel said:Spoiler'd to avoid unintentionally offending anyone. Topic is paedophilia.
I feel paedophiles get viewed worse than they should. You rape a child, then by all means you're bringing down the rightful hatred of those around you, but paedophiles aren't destined to do harmful things. That they're judged as a whole for the worst possible manifestation of their condition seems wrong to me.
I agree, though it only applies to the fat people who complain and nag about their rights.. And "people like them".Griffstar said:I find fat people disgusting, lazy and not worth living.
People who just eat unhealthy, don't take care of themselves and above all are incredibly lazy. Not people with health conditions or that of the sort.
Thats... like saying you can't understand what it means to get set on fire just because you haven't been, sex is but a greedy pleasure and a biological imperative, it, just like pain, they entirely predictable and understandable, however both can cause insanity and physiological addiction, personality and intellect dictate ones choice in handling both, so the basic standing is the foolish sleep around and risk enslaving their own future by unplanned pregnancy / diseases, while the person that understands we don't need to plant seeds like Davy Crockett chooses to find someone that'll be there through the thick and thin intently, rather then by enslavement by poor choice making(not saying abortion isn't an option, or that one cant take contraceptives, but either has a good chance of leaving the woman relatively scarred or ill both mentally and physically)flamingjimmy said:The problem with that outlook is that you can't possibly understand sex, having not engaged in it yet.Sniper Team 4 said:I believe sex is a special, meaningful act that you should share only with the person you are married to. I get some really weird looks from people when they first ask if I'm a virgin and I say yes, then they ask why and I give them that answer.