When did you can only carry two guns at any time become popular????
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Most games are too easy to beat as is. You really want to screw that up by letting you carry every gun?
I'm moderately annoyed at Killzone 2, and it's not because of the weapon limit thing, or even my discomfort with the ps3 controller. Having dumped a few hours into the multiplayer I found the biggest problem seems to be an oddly tuned system for balance. Snipers that are for all intents and purposes in the fast pace of the game invisible, yet carrying a weapon that kills in one shot anywhere (and can be fired accurately on the run it seems). The shotgun of unending doom. The SMG's erratic swapping between death cannon and pea shooter. The placement of objectives on maps making some mission profiles dramatically favor one team over the other. It doesn't stop me from playing the game or anything, it's solid and I feel certain many of the quirks will be resolved in time.ChromeAlchemist said:
That said, it seems kinda cruel that it's the definitive shooter for the PS3. It doesn't really do anything new or exciting in multiplayer. The cover system from single player simply becomes a duck button, and though the class based system is somewhat neat it really just serves to give you more lethal options (who plays as solider after they unlock assault for example - assault is just hands down superior). Still, map design (from an immersiveness standpoint) and presentation is outstanding. In fact, the first time I was taking cover and found that some pieces of cover cease to exist when people spray enough bullets/grenades at them was a combination of nasty surprise and awesome.
With regards to the original topic however, I seem to recall seeing the trend first in some shareware shooter in the mid '90's whose name has long since escaped me. System Shock and Deus Ex both featured limited inventory size that essentially forcd the player to limit their arsenel. Counter Strike (when it was in beta, which I believe included much of the year 2000) limited the player to three weapons - knife, sidearm and some form of main weapon. Rainbow Six likewise featured a similar system, though since you could switch freely between team members you could theoritically have access to the entire arsenel at once. Like many of the things Halo is credited with, the two weapon limit was hardly new, but it was well executed enough in a popular enough game to help make the concept mainstream.
So you didn't. You weren't even anywhere in the chain I cut down. At any rate, it's fixed now.Knight Templar said:
I like limited weaponry, in the right game. Games like Far Cry 2 are made more fun because you can't carry the game's 20-odd weapons all at once. Part of the challenge in FC2 is finding a set of weapons that suits you, and part of the fun is experimenting with different weapons and tactics. Plus, it's easier to change to your desired weapon on the fly.
Half-Life 2, on the other hand, worked great with 11 weapons at once, and I played it on the 360. The weapons were varied enough that it was great fun to switch from one weapon to the next. HL2 was a far more arcadey shooter in terms of the actual gameplay than FC2 was, but it didn't suffer because of it.
To answer the initial question: I think Counter-Strike started the limited-arsenal trend. You could choose a primary weapon and a pistol, and perhaps change weapons during a game, but that was it.
Half-Life 2, on the other hand, worked great with 11 weapons at once, and I played it on the 360. The weapons were varied enough that it was great fun to switch from one weapon to the next. HL2 was a far more arcadey shooter in terms of the actual gameplay than FC2 was, but it didn't suffer because of it.
To answer the initial question: I think Counter-Strike started the limited-arsenal trend. You could choose a primary weapon and a pistol, and perhaps change weapons during a game, but that was it.
your hate for halo is a bit arrogant, Bungie did it becuase it went well with the game they were making. If you want someone to blame, blame mainstream appeal.kewlrabbit said:
GRAW series (if two games counts as a series) gives you the optinon of carrying Main (Rifle of some description), Secondary (SMG), Sidearm (Pistol), Backpack (Rocket launcher and/or grenades). Which is quite a lot of kit to hulk about when you think about it, but a lot less than some other games allow you. Plus it is limited by weight, so if you plan on taking a SCAR H with suppresor and combat sight you will probably have to choose between an SMG and a pistol, carrying grenades or a Zeus.
WTF? Really? Is that guy serious? He specifically said "I think it worked pretty well in that game." How was that even close to hatred?BLOONINJA 503 said:
The action quake mod for quake 2 had knife/pistol/primary weapon. Pistol was the only one you couldnt get rid of. Was this out before CS?KneeLord said:
For me the biggest plus to the limited arsenal system is the manic grin I get when I stumble upon the BFG/Spartan laser/RPG/M 60/etc. It might only have 4 shots and have to ditch a weapon to use it but Ill make every glorious shot count. Its nice to have the big guns on the walking armoury system but the shine seems to leave them a few levels in.
There are only 2 real reaons for this switch. The first is "realism" (its still a game) mainly for titles like Rainbow6/GRAW/CoD, but more likely developers know its a much better system to map to a control pad. Thats why it tends to happen on cross platform titles.
Basically "Team America: The Game."ChromeAlchemist said:
...Although I am currently stuck on the train level. Man, when you feel outclassed while wielding double uzis, there's a problem.
I like it to be reduced, though two weapons is a little... short, particularly when one has to be the pistol. Albeit, I wouldn't mind if the pistol was the Resistance 2 Magnum with an explosive alt fire, seriously, best fuckin pistol since sliced bread, or the Halo pistol, but it blows things up, which makes it better.
I'm a pack rat, and honestly, I like to have every gun I find on me just in case, but often I'm too busy sorting to actually get the gun out effectively and get shot a few times in the process, but usually that's not a problem, unless it's Stalker, but you can only have 2-3 guns out in that game anyway, which is a sort of nice way of doing it, you have a backpack and you can store as many guns as you can physically carry, as well as their ammo, but you only have to swap through 2 at any given time, otherwise you go to the inventory screen, drag a drop and there you go. I imagine that'd be a pain in the ass on a console though. Mouse and keyboard forever.
Halo was the big blockbuster x-box title to bring FPS to the console world, it was teh shit for them. There was golden eye and rainbow six, but nothing as publicized and big as Halo.
I'm a pack rat, and honestly, I like to have every gun I find on me just in case, but often I'm too busy sorting to actually get the gun out effectively and get shot a few times in the process, but usually that's not a problem, unless it's Stalker, but you can only have 2-3 guns out in that game anyway, which is a sort of nice way of doing it, you have a backpack and you can store as many guns as you can physically carry, as well as their ammo, but you only have to swap through 2 at any given time, otherwise you go to the inventory screen, drag a drop and there you go. I imagine that'd be a pain in the ass on a console though. Mouse and keyboard forever.
Halo was the big blockbuster x-box title to bring FPS to the console world, it was teh shit for them. There was golden eye and rainbow six, but nothing as publicized and big as Halo.
Oh snap, I just realised you meant riot response didn't you? Hah, I meant the original title, I loved that one more.Samurai Goomba said:
But yes, that game is also awesome. And babysitting your team mates is a pain the ass, yes?
EDIT: Also original Urban Chaos was basically End of Days with Whoopie Goldberg as the protagonist.
Half-life,Bioshock,Mass Effect, and Team fortress two all allow you to have more then one weapon (given that Mass effect and team fortress have predetirmend weapons for you)
Also i belive that Call of duty started first and Halo:Combat evolved helped make it popular.
Also i belive that Call of duty started first and Halo:Combat evolved helped make it popular.