When is the all male focused issue of the escapist?

[The Dr0w Ranger]

Okay, I may reiterate a few points from above, but i want to state them my way, so here we go.

1. Why do we treat MCWM as a default state? If a marketing strategy doesn't aim towards Blacks, Gays, Women, or another "Minority", its for MCWMs and thus proves injustice.... Perhaps the majority of games are aimed at action fans, people who want to blow up shit, MCWMs just happen to be a large contributor to the demographic.

2. I don't claim to have experienced the injustices of being in a minority, I don't even claim to have no advantages due to my whiteness. But I DO claim that there are backlashes to being white, i.e. lack of lobbyists. There are people who are out to ensure black interest, gay interests and female interests, as well as many others, but because white is viewed as default, no lobbyist could even exist, he'd get nailed for discrimination by every other group.

3.There is also the aforementioned stereotype, the one that is ENFORCED, anyone who tries to vary from this will LITERALLY be pushed back into it. If I dress in bright colors, I am either removed from the straight guy category(Gay, effeminate), or attacked until I conform, I cannot be a straight male in bright clothing. If I refrain from sex until I have married, I am repeatedly bashed from all directions, its not acceptable to defy the stereotype. Oh, and if you defy the stereotype, good luck finding clothing/games/music.
No one markets to guys who DON'T want sex as their defining goal in life.

4. One disadvantage to shoot back real quick, has been handed to me by the opposition to my viewpoint. Because white males are so diverse(so many cultures contribute) we have no specific attached culture, thus we are considered simple. I like to read literature, listen to music and play games from many sources, I don't even have a WHITE music or White literature section, because there IS no group for it. Oh wait, supposedly everything is for me, then why is it all SHIT?

5. I have to be told that I am enforcing an injustice, even if I do nothing. I buy games based on my interest in them, I don't buy them with any particular goal in mind apart from playing them. I don't fight the rights of others except where they impede mine. I don't force my will or agenda on anyone.
Yet if I marry, and my wife leaves, kids go with her.
If I get in a fight and my opponent is black, I am gone.
If I apply for a job, I am quite easily going to get passed over because I don't fill the AA quota.

6. Last one, someone asked whats good about being MCWM? What is good about being anything else that cannot be reversed? Or what is good about being something else that doesn't amount to "I'm not MCWM"?

 

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[benbenthegamerman]

Here is what i have to say:

My grandfather survived the holocaust. Shortly after he fled from Germany, he came to america to be with the family that he still had. 60 years have passed, and he has come face to face with the son of a nazi, and forgave him for all the terrible things that his army did. You know why he forgave him? Because he learned from the holocaust that stereotypes are serious, and that if people continued to keep old hatreds, nothing good could come of it. For some reason, alot of people in the United States can't seem to grasp that concept, whether it be caucasins, blacks, asians, or hispanics. Why not? Who knows why not. If we all knew, then subjects like this wouldnt have to come into play.

 

[RUINER ACTUAL]

I just wanna know whats with all the homoerotisism. "Blow me" and the more explicit versions ARE NOT COMEBACKS. I stopped playing MW2 recently because I can't go into a lobby without someone saying something about their dick. It wasn't funny when people said it 5 years ago in Halo 2 and time hasn't sweetened it.

Wow.


No reason to stop playing the game. Just Mute everyone.

I do. Sometimes its just not fast enough though. Oh, and thats not the only reason I stopped playing it either. Didn't want to elaborate too much.

 

[Video Gone]

What this is I don't even.

This is equality.

THIS. IS. SPARTA!
Have fun down in the pit.
INSTAEDIT: Of Sparta, that is.

 

[hotacidbath]

You want it? Then write it! The reason their are specifically female focused issues is because the writers wanted to write them. Convince them to write a male centered article. Oh, and please don't burn a jock strap. I have a feeling that would smell pretty horrendous.

 

[Void(null)]

You want it? Then write it! The reason their are specifically female focused issues is because the writers wanted to write them. Convince them to write a male centered article. Oh, and please don't burn a jock strap. I have a feeling that would smell pretty horrendous.

Good point. Both on the article and the smell.

The worst that happens is that it doesn't get printed.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

I am reminded of every child who ever moaned to his/her parents ''If there is a mother's day and a father's day, why isn't there a childrens day?''
The correct response to this is (and always has been) ''Every day is childrens day, child!''
Now, would you like some cheese with that 'whine'?

Reminds me of that as well. I recently heard about parents at a high school complaining about the lack of "white history month", as there is a black history month and latino history month (someone had been giving a presentation on black history month, I believe). Well, the history most high schoolers ever learn is white history.

i could honestly care less, but in world history (which i took A.P. by the way), we concentrated 100x more on the middle east/asia history more than any "white" history, we went over it briefly but did not do anywhere near as much for any other kind of history, and we spent a good month on central/south america/spain alone, and the year before that i took U.S. history and we hardly ever did anything on "white" history, it was easily 75% on black and slave trade and the Indian tribes rather than any actual white references

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

Okay, I may reiterate a few points from above, but i want to state them my way, so here we go.

1. Why do we treat MCWM as a default state? If a marketing strategy doesn't aim towards Blacks, Gays, Women, or another "Minority", its for MCWMs and thus proves injustice.... Perhaps the majority of games are aimed at action fans, people who want to blow up shit, MCWMs just happen to be a large contributor to the demographic.

2. I don't claim to have experienced the injustices of being in a minority, I don't even claim to have no advantages due to my whiteness. But I DO claim that there are backlashes to being white, i.e. lack of lobbyists. There are people who are out to ensure black interest, gay interests and female interests, as well as many others, but because white is viewed as default, no lobbyist could even exist, he'd get nailed for discrimination by every other group.

3.There is also the aforementioned stereotype, the one that is ENFORCED, anyone who tries to vary from this will LITERALLY be pushed back into it. If I dress in bright colors, I am either removed from the straight guy category(Gay, effeminate), or attacked until I conform, I cannot be a straight male in bright clothing. If I refrain from sex until I have married, I am repeatedly bashed from all directions, its not acceptable to defy the stereotype. Oh, and if you defy the stereotype, good luck finding clothing/games/music.
No one markets to guys who DON'T want sex as their defining goal in life.

4. One disadvantage to shoot back real quick, has been handed to me by the opposition to my viewpoint. Because white males are so diverse(so many cultures contribute) we have no specific attached culture, thus we are considered simple. I like to read literature, listen to music and play games from many sources, I don't even have a WHITE music or White literature section, because there IS no group for it. Oh wait, supposedly everything is for me, then why is it all SHIT?

5. I have to be told that I am enforcing an injustice, even if I do nothing. I buy games based on my interest in them, I don't buy them with any particular goal in mind apart from playing them. I don't fight the rights of others except where they impede mine. I don't force my will or agenda on anyone.
Yet if I marry, and my wife leaves, kids go with her.
If I get in a fight and my opponent is black, I am gone.
If I apply for a job, I am quite easily going to get passed over because I don't fill the AA quota.

6. Last one, someone asked whats good about being MCWM? What is good about being anything else that cannot be reversed? Or what is good about being something else that doesn't amount to "I'm not MCWM"?

completely agree

points 2,4,5 have been heavily lived in my life

 

[The Dr0w Ranger]

@ Hopechest.
Let me explain some of my points further then.
1. You state my point for me, that marketing strategy, the FACT that white guys make up the largest single group contributing to game purchases, is treated as the norm. But if something is composed primarily of another group, its targeted. So if its not targeted at another group, it is by default considered "for MCWMs"

2.Whats a black interest, what does that represent??(I use race because that is generally associated with a culture, with a separate history) You still don't explain how there can be interests for one diverse group, but not for another.

3.Its one of the disadvantages of being MCWM, from all other groups, there is generally pressure to adhere to the type. I can see where other groups have similar pressure, so its not wholly unique, but it is there. And since the pressure exists, the stereotype stands, and those of us who refuse to conform, are nonetheless treated as if we did.

4. We are MCWM, but that doesn't mean there is a unified culture.

5.I agree, the whole system is fucked. But I know, and know of, numerous fathers, responsible men, who lost their children to truly horrible wives. The system is slanted.

6. Really? It is? Let me use black culture again to explain.
I don't see much difference, looking at black and white social groups. Generally unified interests, generally homogeneous distribution of religious leanings. Culture is sort of different, please show me where there is a universal trait among one group that isn't in another? To say that all black people are gangsters is both stupid and considered a stereotype, but now, when I wonder why I am not given similar concessions to black citizens of my age and gender, they are all one group....

 

[Jaranja]

You raise a good point. You see, in modern times of "HARDKORE GAMERZ", everyone who likes something less violent than Gears of War is considered "GAY" by said "HARDKORE" audience. They could do an article on peer pressure if nothing else.

Men are not obliged to drip with testosterone 24/7, you know.

But we do anyway!!!

I SHAVE WITH A GUN

Anyway, now that I've stopped lying... I don't know what to say.

[sub]This thread is kinda boring[/sub]

 

[Wayte]

Agreed, I"m tired of everybody but the majority getting a special bit for them, but when the majority wants something, it's sexist or racist or some of form of -ist.
I also agree that the constant stream of games centered on the false idea of men as these muscle bound death factories. Very few games have, say, a guy who's little strength and all brains. But it's ok for a guy to be dumb as long as he can benchpress Texas.

 

[Thrydwulf]

Because when black males ask for attention, they ask for attention to something that has to do with being a black male. When white men ask for attention, they only ask because they don't like black men getting all the attention.

It's like if a kid asks for a toy because they want it, and if a kid asks for a toy just because their sibling got a toy.

Alright, first, I'm going to generalize back to males (versus subsets thereof) to sort of get back to the topic of the original thread. Now, if we have special considerations to men (like male-only scholarships) they would use those considerations for themselves. Not just for attention, but because they will still have a need.

Secondly, if you have two children and give one child a toy, but not the other, then the other child will feel shortchanged. No one wants to have less.

Third, when you give people special considerations then you basically create two classes: a privileged class and a non-privileged class. Then you have to be socialist, but at least where I'm from, we are democratic and try to give people equal opportunity (not necessarily equal outcome).

Well, it is often like a person without a disability asking that stairs be added to a building with ramps just because a person with a disability can ask for ramps to be added to buildings with just stairs.

Okay, your argument assumes that all non-males do not require assistance of some kind. You may have found one example in which my argument is not logical, but there is more than one way to require assistance.

It's more about the way people complain than the complaints themselves.

I agree with you. I have found some males complain about things which are their fault and responsibility in a similar manner that I have met females who do the same thing. This begs the question: Does the manner of complaint invalidate the complaint? Males on average earn more money than women, but does that men a man who earns less money than the average has no right to complain because he is a man and on average men do well?

I think it's more about it *encompassing* you than it is about including you. In other words, they're not saying "I feel like this has nothing to say to me" as much as "This doesn't address all my needs."

Relax your argument to from "all my needs" to "some of my needs" and I'd say we would be in agreement.

You can use the search bar to figure that one out--it's been discussed a LOT on these forums.

Sorry, I'm new

Same reason an old person slapping a young person is considered humorous, but a young person slapping an old person is considered elder abuse?

Is this okay? That it's okay to promote violence towards men as humorous?

 

[Thrydwulf]

The worst that happens is that it doesn't get printed.

That would make me sad

 

[Thrydwulf]

Yet if I marry, and my wife leaves, kids go with her.

Additional information on this issue:
-9 out of 10 divorce cases that go to family court end result in the wife getting custody of children/alimony.

-In the cases where the wife wins, there have been reports (with what frequency, I do not know) being given possession of the majority of the family's assets. (Anecdote: a family friend went through a divorce. The ex-husband received a sum of money from a family member who died. The ex-wife received the entirety of the sum.)

-Divorced fathers have increased rates of suicide, poverty, and depression.

-Alimony/child support payments have been reported to be more than 50% of the divorced father's income.

-Divorced fathers who do/can not make payments can be imprisoned. This is the only instance where a debtor is legally entitled to imprison the debtee. Also, fathers of this nature are referred to as "Deadbeat Dads".

-There is plenty of government oversight to make sure that the father's make child support payments; however, there is no oversight on how the money is spent or ensuring that the father has uninterrupted visitations.

-Parent Alienation Syndrome (sometimes referred to as "Malicious Mother Syndrome", which is a bad name since this is not done exclusively by mothers) refers to when the primary caretaker parent lies, uses deception and makes their children despise and hate their "custodial parent" (another horrible term).

-In divorce cases, a woman claim that they are afraid of their husband, and the husband can be given a restraining order without even being interviewed or having any evidence to support their claim.

This is a big chunk of info. It's quite frightening.