Mazty said:
ChromeAlchemist said:
Calling the Wii a gimmick is not a fact, it is an opinion, just like much of what you have said is opinion, not fact.
You say that dual layer DVDs are too small for games at the moment, but Rage is one of few games that would be too costly to put onto multiple dual layer DVDs.
The majority of the 360 games that are on dual layer DVDs are on a single Dual layer DVD, so what stops the Wii's successor from having the processing power of the 360? Would the games that are being developed for it not have enough space on a disc? I think the majority of them would. Very few things could stop them from using dual layered DVD format.
Also couple the motion sensing technology within the remote with the motion plus peripheral and the tech is advanced further. Granted I am not saying that it is years ahead of anything else, but it is still advanced.
As for the children, I believe as they own the console, they will grow into the first party efforts, and the better quality titles of the Wii. Then out of brand loyalty, they would be more likely to buy the Wii's successor. After all, that is how people behaved with the NES,SNES, N64, and so on. Also I am talking about those children growing up. Granted the PS3 may still be around, but the 360 and Wii will have a successor.
The wii already uses it's own version of DVDs, so you're saying that next generation it will use the exact same size. Unless they implement installations and clever compression techniques, they will still run into size problems. The 360 has compression techniques and still is having problems with size.
Ask anyone who knows something about electronics. They will tell you the same thing; the wii remotes are in no way advanced. IR is ancient and crap. The PS3 pads are more advanced and do a better job without the pathetically short range of the wii remotes.
The NES, SNES and N64 provided quality games. Games, not party games. You didn't mention how those people then didn't buy the GC. Why was that? The gamecube was aimed at little kids and that utterly failed. The Wii has the advantage of being the must buy item for bored housewives and familys. Again, neither of those parties care about graphics or gameplay so will not be bothered to get the next console. Then it is down to the kid, who will no doubt be looking for better games, so will turn to the actual game consoles.
The 360 may not have a successor. Look at how things are headed for it. It has to reduce costs significanlty to sell, which isn't too profitable, and all it's exclusives end up on PC, as well as XBL. Microsoft are clearly focusing more on the PC then on the 360. Plus having to make a new format for a console seems far to expensive an investment just for a console. Sony had the advantage that bluray is now the HD format. Anything MS come up with will just be a game console format. Same with the wii. Both are using DVD tech at the moment, and the 360 is struggling with it. In a year there will be more issues, let alone in 3.
The Gamecube was not aimed at children, it was aimed at the core (or hardcore, if you must) and Nintendo used to be fucking piss poor at advertising, and couple that with some other factors, like the gamecube's low storage medium, and that's why it didn't do as well as it should have.
I will stop fighting that the Wii remote's technology is advanced, however I will ask how the PS3's controller is more advanced than a wii remote coupled with motion plus. And the Wii Remote's range is 10 metres. Now I have no clue how big your room is, or how much range the PS3 controller has, but 10 metres should be ample range for the majority of the people that use it.
The proprietary disc format that Nintendo had created was to avoid the licensing fees from the DVD forum. What stops them from creating another disc format with Panasonic, like they have for the last two generations? They have many years to work around the problems that the 360 is having with their format, and if they do come up with something then they could use a similar disc format. Remember that DVDs still take up 87% of video sales, so there is no immediate reason to jump ship at all, and if Nintendo won't pay the licensing fees of the DVD forum, there is no way in hell they would adopt the Blu-Ray format, over creating their own with Panasonic.
As it stands, Sony is much further into the red than Microsoft is. Now I know you are going to tell me that in the long run that Sony will turn over a huge profit when the components in the PS3 become cheaper and they have a larger install base, that is as obvious as Nintendo's blue ocean strategy. But if that's the case then why haven't they dropped the price yet? We know they stand to lose more money but do they not stand to gain more in the long run? And why are they resorting to certain measures to save money, like their charges on PSN which is causing companies to turn to Microsoft's XBL? If Blu-Ray only has a life expectancy of five years, that could have a negative effect on the 10 year plan of Sony.
Not only is the Wii an actual console with actual games, but when the franchises continue along with new IP on the Wii's successor, the children may well buy the next console based on the joy he/she has had from this console. And before they do that, as they grow, they will thrive on high quality titles, something that the Wii's library has and can provide, and they are more likely to buy the games on the console they own, than go out and buy another.
And take into account what you are saying, casual gamers who play the Wii don't care about anything other than the basic components and party games that are on the console, so why would they buy the Wii's successor? Nintendo surely know this, and chances are the Wii's successor will not be aimed at 'everyone' like this one has, but more at the core audience (with consideration to the non core), which the children (you know, the driving force behind all families) from the last generation will grow into. Then this console will become more and more like the PS2 as time passes.
P.S. That link a few posts back was wrong. This is the correct one http://gameoverthinker.blogspot.com/2008/08/episode-eleven-can-it-happen-to-us.html
EDIT: Also show me proof that Microsoft is paying more attention to the PC market please.
