Where is Half Life 2 Episode 3!?
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...What the fuck are you talking about? Making a different game instead of making Episode 3 isn't a big deal. That's not alienating fans, they're just making different stuff, and putting more resources into making different stuff.IanBrazen said:
And the L4D3 comment wasn't clever in any way, it seems as if that's how you intended it. L4D2 was a completely different game from the first, set in the same basic universe and with the same basic premise. But the characters, maps, weapons, and the zombies themselves are much different from those in the first, and while the games have the same concept and name, they are totally different.
You, sir, have no idea how to use the gravity gun, or are distinctly lacking in imagination. 'objects obscure your view' so what? You don't need to be able to see much to crush them with a radiator or a barrel, and if you can't see them chances are they can't shoot you. Yes, you can use objects as shields! Have you never reflexively flung a burning barrel into a group of combine in the heat of battle ("and if you don't enter a battle with an object, it is easier to just shoot the guy with your shotgun" - lol, fail)? Caught an incoming energy orb and sent it back from whence it came? Charged down a corridor wilding a radiator ("Travelling indoors is impossible" my ass)?Souplex said:
Nope, you're wrong on those counts, plain and simple.
Filler? You meant substance? You know, that thing used to make good games?
Honestly, if everything went according to plan, there wouldn't even BE combine. The war would end with humans winning and you would just wander around with absolutely nothing to do.
Honestly, if everything went according to plan, there wouldn't even BE combine. The war would end with humans winning and you would just wander around with absolutely nothing to do.
Gotta agree with this. While I don't know why some people see the game as revolutionary or the second coming of christ, It was a solid, well put together game. You shoot stuff, it falls down, and the plot didn't make me throw up. Granted, I wish the game had just one mid range weapon (what kind of future doesn't have assault rifles), and yes, the gravity gun is pretty pointless for everything but puzzle solving (except at the end), but that doesn't make the game bad. I don't think it was phenomial, but it was above average at worst.SikOseph said:
I have the answer already. It's TF2 updates.Souplex said:
He was wrong, although not as in I completely agree with you. I thought it was better, but what I meant is that you can judge a game in 2 hours.
Disagreements here
That wasn't so annoying to me. Besides, it wasn't really like they just stuck that in there, it moved the plot forward. Combine were closer to finding Kleiner because of that.
Agree.
How else were you supposed to get to Nova Prospekt?
Last bit I don't remember enough.
I dont understand how theres even an arguement here, the Half:Life franchise has been one of the greatest successes in the gaming industry..ever..and nothing anyone could ***** about is going to change that, or change valve's proven formula for there game...it makes money ..the masses like it..so its not gonna change over one person whining about "filler"..whose definition of "filler" is clearly mistaken. I would continue but everything else I would say about story has been covered by several other people who feel the same...so w.e..its clear this guys outnumbered.
In my opinion, the only things in Half Life 2 that could be considered filler are any puzzles to do with box stacking and the painfully repetitive second last level (gameplay wise, not story wise).
Everything else seems to have a purpose for gameplay or story:
-The headcrab stuff led to Dr Breen being alerted to Gordon Freeman's presence, and thus lots of guns and shooting
-Ravenholm zombie town allowed you to test the Gravity Gun on opponents who don't shoot back
-The dune buggy was there because that was pretty much the quickest way to get to Nova Prospekt from Black Mesa East, or the area thereabouts.
Everything else seems to have a purpose for gameplay or story:
-The headcrab stuff led to Dr Breen being alerted to Gordon Freeman's presence, and thus lots of guns and shooting
-Ravenholm zombie town allowed you to test the Gravity Gun on opponents who don't shoot back
-The dune buggy was there because that was pretty much the quickest way to get to Nova Prospekt from Black Mesa East, or the area thereabouts.
The dune buggy was the only way to get to Nova Prospekt, but the driving section was soooooo overly long that I forgot where I was actually going and why on my first playthrough. I was like "Hey, Alyx, what the F is she doing here?" when you catch a glimpse of her and the train in the chapter "Entanglement". And it was actually quite obnoxious when I realised there are three entire chapters in the game in a row without any plot advancement: Highway 17, Sandtraps and Nova Prospekt.ChipSandwich said:
Guess what, they didn't even have to make Modern Warfare 2! Just shoot Shepard right before the first obstacle course, and BAM! Storyline over.
Or even more, don't play most of the Prince of Persia games, particularly the new one. The storyline just resets anyways.
The point is that the quickest way to get through the plot is not always the best story. Often times in story's, things happen which make the characters ultimate success more difficult. And they have to do things to overcome that inconvenient obstacle. That's kind of what makes it a...you know...story. I'm curious what storyline doesn't do what your accusing HL2 of doing.
Also, the point of the Zombine thing was that it was MEANT to be cheesy.
Sounds to me like you just don't like Half Life 2. Which is fine. Your opinion. But it seems like your really grasping at straws for an argument as to why you dislike it. I think you should stop trying so hard. Half Life 2 is a shooter. There is a story most assuredly, but it is still a story meant to hold together a series of gunfights. That's just the nature of the beast. Maybe you just don't like that.
Or even more, don't play most of the Prince of Persia games, particularly the new one. The storyline just resets anyways.
The point is that the quickest way to get through the plot is not always the best story. Often times in story's, things happen which make the characters ultimate success more difficult. And they have to do things to overcome that inconvenient obstacle. That's kind of what makes it a...you know...story. I'm curious what storyline doesn't do what your accusing HL2 of doing.
Also, the point of the Zombine thing was that it was MEANT to be cheesy.
Sounds to me like you just don't like Half Life 2. Which is fine. Your opinion. But it seems like your really grasping at straws for an argument as to why you dislike it. I think you should stop trying so hard. Half Life 2 is a shooter. There is a story most assuredly, but it is still a story meant to hold together a series of gunfights. That's just the nature of the beast. Maybe you just don't like that.
Valve has so much of the Digital Distribution market at the moment it is pretty much an oligopoly with them in charge; they have tons of cash and they seem to take their merry time to perfect games.
Look at TF2, no way they make money on that game with all the updates, but it draws people in to steam...
I agree it is taking too long though, and it might just be half life 3...
Look at TF2, no way they make money on that game with all the updates, but it draws people in to steam...
I agree it is taking too long though, and it might just be half life 3...