Which FPS Actually Takes Skill?

[dalek sec]

Borderlands I found quite easy but not a competitive game more a CO-OP. This Thread more about Online Team death match or single player Death match.

Sorry, the thread said FPS's and I thought it just meant them in general, not about death matches and the like, my mistake sir. D:

 

[Traun]

Counter-Strike and Quake Live( or 3 Arena if you like).

Seriously, Quake is one tough *** to master.

 

[SteelWolf89]

S.T.A.L.K.E.R.

any game in the series takes hardcore skill.

if you miss, you're dead.

if you hesitate, you're dead.

if you stay in one place, you're dead.

if you walk out into the open, you're dead.


basically, its a game about how easy it really is to die from a bullet to the face.

 

[murphy7801]

Borderlands I found quite easy but not a competitive game more a CO-OP. This Thread more about Online Team death match or single player Death match.

Sorry, the thread said FPS's and I thought it just meant them in general, not about death matches and the like, my mistake sir. D:

No No technically your right just people see to be more talking about Multilayer than single player. Then again is man greatest opponent man, James Cameron likes to think differently.

 

[Composer]

TF2 definitely is the one that takes teamwork and know-how. (Except for the f***ing pyros)

BC2 maybe.

haha ya ill agree with that

 

[Assassin Xaero]

Counterstrike 1.6

Weapon Spam doesn't work like it does in Call of SPRAAAAAAY

Wait, isn't that the game that has that sniper rifle, the AWP or something, that does one hit kills no matter where you hit someone? Yeah, then that game REALLY takes skill.

OT: Red Orchestra.

yes it has that gun, but just play on "no awp" servers... than its hard

Then that doesn't work for having to have skill... any game could take a ton more skill if you restrict certain weapons and stuff... CoD4 would probably take a lot more skill if you could only use the G3 or M14 with no perks vs playing it with whatever.

 

[murphy7801]

Guhhh

'ALL NEW GAMES IZ FAIL! Only old games with hardcore followings, who refuse to stop playing it because they put 5 solid years of their life into it are worthy of my presence.'

There. I just some summed up the entire thread.

haha nice nice, although, i didnt say i dont enjoy COD and BC, they are just... easier haha

I know. But these threads always annoy me. It's full of people who love game X slandering anyone who dared to pick up game Y, because since they don't like game Y it's obviously inferior. Then you have the game Z fans who come in and start saying 'none of you are hardcore. We only play games that are 32 bit.'

No multiplayer game takes anymore skill than another. Just a different style of play and perhaps level of practice.

And that is sheer ignorance. Having played so many FPS' I know that is flat out wrong.
Shattered Horizon takes a lot more skill than CoD. Why? Because of the entire game mechanics - zero g, conservation of momentum, 720 kill field, not your normal 540.
You also have to factor in how much of your kill count is due to skill rather than a) luck and b) imbalance in the game. Let's compare Medal of Honour to MW2. In Medal of Honour being level 15 doesn't mean you have a massive advantage over the opponent, in fact the advantage is almost minimal (one extra grenade). All the added extras (silencers etc) are simple tweaks and frankly you can get very, very far with the basics. Then on top of that the ranking is so quick that there is seems to never be a massive level difference between you and the opponent - skill rating is a far better indicator than rank.
However with CoD the game isn't about skill. Due to the spawn points being random it turns into cat & mouse. As you can't guard your front & back simultaneously, no matter how good you are, you can still be shot in the back as there is no defined front line, making it a matter of spawning in the right place rather than skill. Then on top of that a Lvl 70 has a huge advantage over a level 20, let alone a level 1 player thanks to add ons such as heart beat sensors etc, making it a game that rewards grinding with better guns, whereas MoH rewards better performance with a higher skill rating.

You again? I severely dislike any conversation that you get involved with. There's always an aftermath of mod wrath. Always.

I'm not going to get in it with you. You're just a contrary for contraries sake, sort of person. So no matter what I say you're going to have some beef with it.

All I will say is the luck factor of CoD is part of what counts to a persons skill on it. It's part of the playstyle you need to learn to be good at the game. You need to know where an enemy is likely to spawn by looking at peoples placement on the map and where is the best place to situate yourself when you've decided. And you can be just as effective as a level 70 when you start the game. It's all about getting the best out of what you've got.

I'm not saying some games don't have major flaws, or that some multiplayers aren't unbalanced. Learning those balance flaws and accommodating for them is just as much of a skill as learning the best place to camp the fuck out of for the entire game in SOCOM.

"All I will say is the luck factor of CoD is part of what counts to a persons skill on it. It's part of the playstyle you need to learn to be good at the game. You need to know where an enemy is likely to spawn by looking at peoples placement on the map and where is the best place to situate yourself when you've decided. And you can be just as effective as a level 70 when you start the game. It's all about getting the best out of what you've got."

But by this logic you proved it requires alot less skill I will explain why.
The game has alot more luck therefore its more chaotic in nature meaning to hard to work at eventualities whilst playing. Which eliminates the ability to team out manoeuvre also not help by spawning around the place. The way game works in, it works better then if chaotic to spray and pray because may just kill stuff by accident with out skill like a precise head shot. It has auto aim in game therefore again counter to skill because the computer doing the work for you. The spawn points though you can predict to some degree where you can go at the end of day since the levels are pretty direction less and just big loop to lean towards random which re-enforces chaotic/luck based nature of the game.

Now weapon upgrades detract from natural talent. Because some people will have just better weapons as in higher fire rates better patten spread which means you can use these weapons more effectively. But to get them you have grind at the game which counter nature talent. Which some people are just better than others but mixed ability part of the human race which COD works against which very left wing of it?!.

I just bolded the import part.

Like I said to the other guy, I'm not even the biggest fan of CoD. But I recognise that the people who are good at the game had to pay with a lot of time and effort. If it was completely based on luck then there wouldn't be any good players.

You need to learn hot spots, you need to know when and where to avoid certain areas, you need to be able to figure out where they are logically going to spawn based on teamate locations.

It's all learnt behaviour. Which is no different from being skilled at any other MP game. It's all about understand how the game works and how people play it.

I quite like the BFBC2 squad spawn but need work out an anti base rape system.

 

[Yellowbeard]

Tribes 2.

There was a trick to just getting a hit with ANY weapon.

 

[BonsaiK]

I Started playing Counterstrike Source after about 8 months away from it, and between all the Call Of Duty, and Bad Company, I lost the ability to actually kill something in CS:S.

So I ask all of you, What FPS's actually take skill to play online?

I'm not sure, but I think the move away from skill in FPS is definitely a good thing. I don't want to spend six months getting good at something, I just want to have fun, that after all is what games are for.

 

[vivalahelvig]

The specialists mod for HL1.
Go onto a populated NON-RP server, and they will fuck your shit up(i am not one of those people).
Somewhat related, the RP scene is 'quite' good still, as in the 1 or 2 populated servers are often populated fully.

Chocolate covered bacon pie.

 

[Kortney]

Doesn't change the fact that their is horrendous auto aim and the other fact that people may/may not respawn right behind you.

I'm talking about PC here. There is no auto aim for PC multiplayer. It's just as hard/easy as any other shooter really.

Nah, its still easy on PC compared to other PC games. Here's why:

1) Low movement speed in combat, when ADS you move slowly and you have to ADS to hit anything at a distance. If everyone is moving slowly, it's easier to hit them.

2) Low health. Less bullets to kill = more luck involved (simple statistics).

3) Effects of being shot make fighting back harder, therefore most of the time the guy who wins is the guy who hits first.

4) Knife takes most of the skill out of CQC.

5) Maps are designed so that you pretty much ALWAYS have a blind spot, therefore most of your kills/deaths will be people that couldn't see you/you couldn't see. This wouldn't be a problem if you had a chance to recover from a surprise attack, but you don't.

I'm not saying CoD is a bad multiplayer game, but it isn't exactly a true test of skill.

That's not my point though. My point is someone who is naturally very good at Call of Duty will be good at other first person shooters when they learn them. They all involve pretty much the same skill set. Those things you mentioned are minor details when it comes to motor skill, muscle memory and coordination which account for much, much more.

And regardless, everyone is on an equal playing field. If you are the best at Call of Duty, you are very skilled. Period. If the game is so easy, then to be the best you have to manage to dominate in a game where apparently anyone can do well in.

 

[Quesa]

Wait, isn't that the game that has that sniper rifle, the AWP or something, that does one hit kills no matter where you hit someone? Yeah, then that game REALLY takes skill.

OT: Red Orchestra.

I searched youtube for "Red Orchestra Sniper" and this was the first search result:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjHM1h1MXnI

[sarcasm]Leg shot kill one minute in. How horribly unrealistic, clearly this game requires no skill.[/sarcasm]

Don't be such a close-minded child. I wouldn't argue Counter-Strike requires the MOST skill, but to say it requires none (or little) is absurd. Counter-Strike is not remotely realistic, leave it at that. That's the primary reason I prefer CS to CS:S.

 

[Super Toast]

Team Fortress 2. Without a well thought out play style, weapon set, good reflexes, good aim and a decent team you WILL be curbstomped.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

Wait, isn't that the game that has that sniper rifle, the AWP or something, that does one hit kills no matter where you hit someone? Yeah, then that game REALLY takes skill.

OT: Red Orchestra.

I searched youtube for "Red Orchestra Sniper" and this was the first search result:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjHM1h1MXnI

[sarcasm]Leg shot kill one minute in. How horribly unrealistic, clearly this game requires no skill.[/sarcasm]

Don't be such a close-minded child. I wouldn't argue Counter-Strike requires the MOST skill, but to say it requires none (or little) is absurd. Counter-Strike is not remotely realistic, leave it at that. That's the primary reason I prefer CS to CS:S.

Sorry for insulting your beloved Counter Strike... damn fanboys...

 

[Shock and Awe]

I wanna say Halo: Reach because unlike most games unless you actually aim at your target and keep on them you will die. In most other FPSs you can spray and automatic and usually kill your opponent without much trouble at all.