which game and character do you hate the most?

[Owen Robertson]

Vaan from FF12. What a miserable ***** he is. He doesn't know what the fuck's going on, and he's just going along for the ride. He's got no real stake in the revolution. Fuck that butt pirate. Fuck him up his butt.

I don't really hate any game, but some frustrate the fuck outta me. The Ninja Gaiden series (the proper ones) are fucking IMPOSSIBLE. No one has ever beaten any of them, and you won't convince me otherwise. You know what rescind "I don't really hate any game". Fuck Red Steel for not being an amazing game and therefore selling point as a release game, and fuck that (not so new) Prince of Persia. Not the one with water and djiin, the gay one. 4th console one. The one without a subtitle.

Edit -- Reading that back it sounded a little homophobic. My bad. I kinda grew up in the 90's and it's hard for me to switch out to lame, shitty, and weak. I try though.

 

[-Seraph-]

Final Fantasy 8 and its entire fucking cast of one dimensional, unlikeable dumb-asses. The hate I have for this game knows no bounds as it did everything in it's power to make me not like it despite toughing the whole thing out and finishing it. Such awful gameplay....oh god did it suck.

Terrible plot that made no sense, full of holes you could fly the space shuttle through. And the villains plot and motivation were unclear messes of pure paradoxical stupidity. Not to mention all the damn characters were annoying, stupid, shallow little shits that had very little redeeming qualities. Just archetypical rejects that had little purpose to the plot and save for Squall, had no development at all. And don't fucking get me started on that "love story" or I may just have to go punch a kitten....or twelve.

As far as characters, however, there's one definite answer for me: Gordon Freeman. I hate the evangelistic cult that surrounds him. I hate that he's considered a strong or quality character when his actual in game existence is nothing more than a floating camera. I hate that people try to champion him as a total blank slate that they can inhabit as their own when he's clearly been tightly designed from physical appearance to how others interact with him (particularly given that, as noted above, all of the obvious character design is reduced to floating camera once you get in the actual game).

Also this, my god this to the Nth degree.

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

All of the Halo's.

And Master Chief.

Terrible games, generic character.

I'm sure if you read the books, you'd think otherwise.

It's easily the most depth fulled video game frachnise, but it's hidden in easter eggs and in the extended universe.

Easily the most depth filled video game franchise? What about Legend of the Dragoon? (take any character you want, Dart, Rose, Lavitz, Shana, etc) Fallout? Bioshock? Assassins Creed? And those are just the main stream ones I've pulled out, let's not even get into others.
(LoD isn't mainstream, but the others were.)

No amount of money grabbing works of fiction payed for by microsoft is going to make Halo the "easily the most depth fulled video game frachnise" Tell me, oh please just tell me the amazing story behind the spartans. Because I can match it with about ten better. You could have argued your series had some merit before Microsoft had to ruin bungie's hard work and announce that the series is making a 4,5 and 6. You have fun with that.

Okay, match this:

http://www.forwarduntodawn.com/divinus-ruina/

That's around 10 pages worth of text, anaylizing just the history of one race of the universe.

Also, all the Halo books's creative control was owned by Bungie, later by 343, who care just as much as bungie did for the series. In fact, the only time Bungie even told the authors what they want them to do was for The Flood, which they stopped doing because that book was so much worse off for it.

The newer ones are good as standalone sci fi books, let alone as video game ones. Cryptum is even amazing as a stand alone hard sci fi tale.

The higher ups at MS thankfully have not tainted a single part of the canon yet.

Also, I think theres a breakdown between what you and I see as depth:

Bioshock manages to be a EMOTIONALLY and INTELLIGENTLY deep story in a single game. Halo as a whole is DEEP in COMPLEXITY in the SCOPE of the story, as well as intellgently deep accross the entire canon, you can't just read or play one of the books/games and get it.

Playing Halo CE for example would be like reading chapter 16 out of a 20 chapter book. Your only getting the beggining of the end of a very, very long story.

All of the Halo's.

And Master Chief.

Terrible games, generic character.

I'm sure if you read the books, you'd think otherwise.

It's easily the most depth fulled video game frachnise, but it's hidden in easter eggs and in the extended universe.

This argument kinda sucks. Anakin isn't going to be any more tolerable just because Lucas liked a fan-fiction about him. If the books are so great, good for the books. The games, however, are panderous ego-stroking.

Meh, I understand this arugement, but that's not really the case either. It's just that the complexity is REALLY well hidden and not told told you, a la half life or portal. The terminals/audio logs are a easy to explain if a bad example, here's a better one:

http://www.forwarduntodawn.com/nine-levels-underground/

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

Anyways, to be on topic:

...I actually can't think of a video game I hated...

But I can for a character(well, more of a nameless enemey, but):

With every atom of my being: FUCK THIS THING!