Who are the good guys in Skyrim?
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Well, im not sure about your others, but for several weeks after Skyrim came out, there were dozens if not hundreds of threads asking this very same question.TheVioletBandit said:
As for me, I only played it for a short time (rented it on 360, waiting till I get my laptop troubles fixed before I buy PC version), in character, my Dark Elf already slaughtered much of Whiterun's gaurds, so that should tell you who im not siding with...
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Accusations ? The vile deeds of your kin speak for themselves ! Doom upon you fallen creature, doooooooooooooooom !TheIronRuler said:
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Kill all. Let Talos judge who will live and who will die !NeutralDrow said:
That doesn't change the fact i made a mistake
...with organization of five or six people that were silent killed in their own lair by 19th level stealthy archer-blacksmith ?????????????Deviate said:
.JesterRaiin said:-snip-
That doesn't change the fact i made a mistake
Ha! Take back your insults, you Mer hater!
Never ! One mistake won't take my victory from me, and no amount of arrows skillfully introduced to any of my joints will change my mind !TheIronRuler said:.JesterRaiin said:-snip-
That doesn't change the fact i made a mistake
Ha! Take back your insults, you Mer hater!
Do your worst oh fallen one, betrayer of what's pure and holy, history will judge us both !
the other thing to keep in mind is that the choice of race you make at the begining has a big role in that too. Not likely to see a Dunmer joining up with the Stormcloaks that think s/he is a horrible barbaric monster born from a sewer that needs to die. Where as a Nord isn't likely to join the Imperials who are all the little squealing ***** of the Altmeri Dominion doing whatever they say and bending over when they're done.TheVioletBandit said:
Both sides are painted with a rather Gray brush. Both have things that are admirable and respectable. And things that are morally repugnant and distasteful. For instance lets go over the Empire, for many many many hundreds or even thousands of years, I'm not really sure how long it's been around. The Empire has ruled all of Tamerial and has been very cosmopolitan they allow a member of any race to succeed and gain power, basically your race doesn't matter to them. And up until the war with the Dominion they've been unbeaten. Yes their is corruption they do allow some criminals to run free if it serves the empire better. and their's a lot of red tape with an empire that old. My biggest problem is twofold: they don't care about skyrim's people as much as they do about the Empire as a hole. So their not going to go out of their way to help. And, although I'm sure they don't like it they are helping the Dominion punish people for their religious beliefs.
The stormcloaks on the other hand, other's have mentioned it before but Ulfric sounds like 'a fur clad Himmler' Their's a lot of parallels you can make between them and the nazi party. It's not that bad though but I find their Raceism unsettling and...confusing. I mean Ulfric fought in the Imperial army he fought in the war....so wth is his problem with non-nords? I mean I can understand not liking the High Elfs after that but...why the Dark elves? Why aren't the Khajiit allowed in the cities? (unless your the PC for some fuck reason). It just strikes me as odd that someone who fought and bleed surely next to some of these races would harbor such strong feelings AGAINST those people.
The stormcloaks on the other hand, other's have mentioned it before but Ulfric sounds like 'a fur clad Himmler' Their's a lot of parallels you can make between them and the nazi party. It's not that bad though but I find their Raceism unsettling and...confusing. I mean Ulfric fought in the Imperial army he fought in the war....so wth is his problem with non-nords? I mean I can understand not liking the High Elfs after that but...why the Dark elves? Why aren't the Khajiit allowed in the cities? (unless your the PC for some fuck reason). It just strikes me as odd that someone who fought and bleed surely next to some of these races would harbor such strong feelings AGAINST those people.
Bethesda always makes a point ot make all sides morally ambiguous. They even made a good argument in Oblivion for why you should just let Mehrunes Dagon win.
Stormcloaks are mild Nazis. The empire doesn't want to ban the worship of Talos, the Thalmor
do- so they are the ones to hate. From these options, I prefer the empire.
do- so they are the ones to hate. From these options, I prefer the empire.
They both have good points but I think the Stormcloaks are a Dominion in the making and the Imperial Legion is the only way to truly stop the Dominion as they are only buying time while banning Talos worship they know it won't last forever but no one use letting yourself be destroyed when you can fight another day.
Overall if the Empire did care just a bit more about Skyrim then they would the true good guys at the moment it is quite a grey area. Anyway I definitely think we will either be seeing a TES VI with the Dominion in Summerset Isles or one of the states they are trying to own. Maybe another time for Black Marsh.
Overall if the Empire did care just a bit more about Skyrim then they would the true good guys at the moment it is quite a grey area. Anyway I definitely think we will either be seeing a TES VI with the Dominion in Summerset Isles or one of the states they are trying to own. Maybe another time for Black Marsh.
Imperial side is good, though they're arse holes for not letting nords worship Talos. Other than that I agree pretty much entirely with what the empire is doing.
Pretty words and pompous titles won't change reality - as every other organization in Skyrim, Dark Brotherhood is a joke, shadow of itself, riding on the mighty steed of half true legends and former glory. It was only fear, incompetency and corruption of law that allowed them to remain pretenders to title of night masters.Deviate said:Tsk tsk tsk... I'm talking of the organization that faced the fires of corruption and was forged anew into the Dread Father's most fearsome servants. Lead by a new Dunmer Listener, loyal to the Night Mother and Dread Father, feared throughout the lands... and the ones who ended the life of the pathetic excuse for an Emperor.JesterRaiin said:...with organization of five or six people that were silent killed in their own lair by 19th level stealthy archer-blacksmith ?????????????Deviate said:
In the end, they all are dead lying in the pools of their blood no different than blood of your typical Joe the Plumber, ahem, Sven the Disposer of True Nordic Excrements.
Both sides are purposefully designed to have both negative and positive aspect and to represent very clear and contrasting ideologies. It's a sort of very well defined gray area when choosing between them, as in it's obvious what their characteristics are, they are fairly clearly split between good and bad as seen by the general morality and that's supposed to help the player decide to join one or the other, or none at all.
At least being beheaded is a relatively painless death. Now if the Imperials were crucifying people I would be a bit more biased towards the Stormcloaks.
Actually, they kind of did have a reason. You were caught up in an ambush meant for the Stormcloaks. Innocent or guilty, you were there, and the Imperials couldn't chance letting a Stormcloak free. In the beginning of the game, you're a victim of circumstance, nothing more.The Jakeinator said:
OT: Neither side is evil. Skyrim was the first Nord settlement(I may be misremembering) and Ulfric believes that Skyrim should be ruled by Nords, and Nords alone, so they fight to free Skyrim from Imperial rule. While their intent is that of a noble one, little do they know, Ulfric is no more than an unwitting pawn to the Thalmor, weakening both the empire and Skyrim for them. And what people aren't understanding, is that Ulfric is unknowing in his assistance to the Thalmor, and they're branding him evil because they think he's helping him, all the while this is not the case. Their racism can be understood, even though it is not entirely called for. To the eyes of a Stormcloak, the other races are clogging up their land, the land of the Nords. Though, I do think it would be interesting to play a Dark Elf and assist the Stormcloaks, and see how that turns out.
As for the Imperials, they're not banning the worship of Talos simply because they can, despite the Stormcloak's belief that the Empire is trying to oppress the people of Skyrim simply to show them who's wearing the pants around this place. They did it so they could get the Thalmor to back off, at least long enough to regroup their strength. That isn't to say that it justifies their giving in to the Thalmor's demands, but the Empire is only doing what it believes best in order to free Skyrim from the Thalmor altogether.
I think both are noble in their own rights.