Who Can Beat Alex Mercer?
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Well ya. In the Games I wondered how the whole soul thing worked. It seemed to be the driving force that kept people going. In the game enemies were only ever permanately killed if you ate their souls. (Excluding human enemies)artanis_neravar said:
EDIT: Zero does make some good points, but as I stated Raziel bypasses the need to destroy him physically. Then again not sure a hyper-intelligent virus has a soul, though then we'd have to argue the sematics of the soul and I'm not sure this is the place for that.
You can't destroy matter, but matter can be split up quite a bit smaller than a cell.LordZutaki said:
We just need some sort of ray gun that separates carbons out from everything else. BAM not more organic matter.
I see OP stated "other universe", presumably because the military in Mercer's own world seems to have very little difficulty in pummeling him into a messy black and red spec in the middle of Time Square.
On that strength, I'd say Sergeant Kirby of Operation Flashpoint: Red River. Or Adept class Shepard. Yeah, that'd be cooler. Biotic vs virus mutation fight. Awesome.
On that strength, I'd say Sergeant Kirby of Operation Flashpoint: Red River. Or Adept class Shepard. Yeah, that'd be cooler. Biotic vs virus mutation fight. Awesome.
1. NinjaWorldCritic said:
2. True. Cole is a human battery. Even if Alex tried to consume him/infect him the virus/Alex would be electrocuted into well ... carbon and whatever else you get when you super-heat/electrocute biological matter. So Alex could kill Cole (he is only human), but the moment he made contact he'd die too.
Hmm.... interesting question.ZeroMachine said:I don't know... you make a lot of good points, but let's actually look seriously at Goku for a second.A Curious Fellow said:Oh hey, you've gone active again.ZeroMachine said:One of the fundamental laws of physics is that Goku always wins, no matter who is fighting who.
So, Goku.
EDIT: Ohshit, gotta be honest, I didn't read the OPyou have that law covered. Sorry, dude.
On topic: No one really. Even if Alex couldn't win, he wouldn't lose either. There isn't a single biological thing he can't assimilate, and if you evolve his powers to their logical extreme, he'll sooner or later be able to assimilate inorganic matter as well. Shit, the guy can shapeshift on the molecular fucking level, according to whatever he wills himself to be. So yeah, maybe he couldn't kill Wolverine or Superman or whatever, but he wouldn't have to. He'd just infect them and eventually his genetic structure and consciousness would subsume theirs.
So that's how he'd win, but here's how he can't lose:
If he can shapeshift to such a degree, then it follows that he could craft a second Alex Mercer if he so chose. It would be a simple matter of copying and building a replica of his own brain and then separating a lump of his own biomass for it to inhabit. QED: If you killed an Alex Mercer, and totally fucking erased all traces of the body, there's still another one out there. And presumably he could just duplicate himself all day.
And all this is before we even consider that Alex Mercer is a high functioning sociopath with no real understanding or care for moral philosophy.
Re-cap: Alex Mercer has the mental capacity to exist and manipulate matter on the nanoscopic scale, the physical capacity to self-clone ad infinitum, but lacks the emotional capacity for his clones to develop individually outside of a hive mind.
Mercer is the fucking Omega Singularity. The end and the summation of all things.
The guy has defeated enemies that can regenerate from single cells multiple times. He incinerates them on a cellular level. And at his most powerful in the series (let's just say Super Saiyan 3 because goodgodGTisawful) he could completely destroy an entire planet without breaking a sweat.
Even if the planet was full of Mercers, does he understand rocket science? Can he get off world?
Consider the modus operandi of a global apocalypse with Alex Mercer as the instigating pathogen: As I put forward, his powers don't have much by way of defined limits. If it has a stable molecular, or even atomic, structure, Mercer can incorporate it. Thus, if left alone, Alex Mercer could subsume Earth itself.
So now we pit Goku, his powers all put forth and described, against a planet sized shapeshifter who at this point treats self-subdivision as a natural chemical process no different from the digestion of foods. Mercer's actions and personality paint him as an individual with no qualms about running away and making self preservation an uncompromisable first priority. Confronted with Goku bent on Mercer's annihilation, I would argue that Mercer would simply fragment himself explosively, propelling bits of himself away in all directions of three dimensional space at the highest speed possible without warping his own genetic material in the process. Even Goku at his best must adhere to some law of mathematics and physics. It would be possible for a planet sized Mercer to split off into enough fragments for some of them to escape and eventually come into contact with new matter to metabolize.
I noticed that someone mentioned that the word of god had said that electricity and cold stop Mercer. I put forward that the natural development of Mercer's abilities will have, by this point, eliminated those weaknesses.
I'm reasonably sure that with enough concentrated energy you could essentially burn him away.
So yeah, kill it with fire! Or the kamehameha, or something.
[pedant]Technically it's not Alex Mercer, it's a humanoid avatar of the Blacklight virus. Alex Mercer is dead, and was by all accounts far more of a sociopathic tosser than the sentient viral being that replaced him[/pedant]
So yeah, kill it with fire! Or the kamehameha, or something.
[pedant]Technically it's not Alex Mercer, it's a humanoid avatar of the Blacklight virus. Alex Mercer is dead, and was by all accounts far more of a sociopathic tosser than the sentient viral being that replaced him[/pedant]
Batman could. Why? Because he's Batman.
He'd do what Batman does best, which is to pull a deus ex machina out of his arse and inject it into Mercer.
He'd do what Batman does best, which is to pull a deus ex machina out of his arse and inject it into Mercer.
I guess that is why Superman and Batman team up so much. Batman is not so much a character as a plot device.Ladette said:
What's truly amusing is that Wally West could probably beat even Silver Age Superman in a fight. Current age Wally West is just that powerful. It is both hilarious and tragic that he was depicted as the underdog in the most recent cartoon series where he is an adult.
Goku would eventually hunt his pieces down because of the fact that he can sense energy levels even on a low scale, but it seems like every time he'd find another piece, Mercer would just spread further...A Curious Fellow said:Hmm.... interesting question.ZeroMachine said:I don't know... you make a lot of good points, but let's actually look seriously at Goku for a second.A Curious Fellow said:Oh hey, you've gone active again.ZeroMachine said:One of the fundamental laws of physics is that Goku always wins, no matter who is fighting who.
So, Goku.
EDIT: Ohshit, gotta be honest, I didn't read the OP
On topic: No one really. Even if Alex couldn't win, he wouldn't lose either. There isn't a single biological thing he can't assimilate, and if you evolve his powers to their logical extreme, he'll sooner or later be able to assimilate inorganic matter as well. Shit, the guy can shapeshift on the molecular fucking level, according to whatever he wills himself to be. So yeah, maybe he couldn't kill Wolverine or Superman or whatever, but he wouldn't have to. He'd just infect them and eventually his genetic structure and consciousness would subsume theirs.
So that's how he'd win, but here's how he can't lose:
If he can shapeshift to such a degree, then it follows that he could craft a second Alex Mercer if he so chose. It would be a simple matter of copying and building a replica of his own brain and then separating a lump of his own biomass for it to inhabit. QED: If you killed an Alex Mercer, and totally fucking erased all traces of the body, there's still another one out there. And presumably he could just duplicate himself all day.
And all this is before we even consider that Alex Mercer is a high functioning sociopath with no real understanding or care for moral philosophy.
Re-cap: Alex Mercer has the mental capacity to exist and manipulate matter on the nanoscopic scale, the physical capacity to self-clone ad infinitum, but lacks the emotional capacity for his clones to develop individually outside of a hive mind.
Mercer is the fucking Omega Singularity. The end and the summation of all things.
The guy has defeated enemies that can regenerate from single cells multiple times. He incinerates them on a cellular level. And at his most powerful in the series (let's just say Super Saiyan 3 because goodgodGTisawful) he could completely destroy an entire planet without breaking a sweat.
Even if the planet was full of Mercers, does he understand rocket science? Can he get off world?
Consider the modus operandi of a global apocalypse with Alex Mercer as the instigating pathogen: As I put forward, his powers don't have much by way of defined limits. If it has a stable molecular, or even atomic, structure, Mercer can incorporate it. Thus, if left alone, Alex Mercer could subsume Earth itself.
So now we pit Goku, his powers all put forth and described, against a planet sized shapeshifter who at this point treats self-subdivision as a natural chemical process no different from the digestion of foods. Mercer's actions and personality paint him as an individual with no qualms about running away and making self preservation an uncompromisable first priority. Confronted with Goku bent on Mercer's annihilation, I would argue that Mercer would simply fragment himself explosively, propelling bits of himself away in all directions of three dimensional space at the highest speed possible without warping his own genetic material in the process. Even Goku at his best must adhere to some law of mathematics and physics. It would be possible for a planet sized Mercer to split off into enough fragments for some of them to escape and eventually come into contact with new matter to metabolize.
I noticed that someone mentioned that the word of god had said that electricity and cold stop Mercer. I put forward that the natural development of Mercer's abilities will have, by this point, eliminated those weaknesses.
... Christ... and thus the Flood were born.
EDIT: People are also bringing up Doctor Manhattan. I think that he's the only one that'd truly stand a chance.
First, Wolverine is ALMOST invincible, he CAN regenerate brain cells (mystique once fired a bullet through his nasal cavity and into his brain), and if they fought it would never end, ever. Mercer would just continually consume Wolverine as Wolverine hacked at him. Second, so long as a single cell manages to survive, Mercer will come back, so anyone who kills him would have to atomize him AND be immune to consumption. In short, barring a mystical/magical method of termination -- Galactus or Proteus (guy who can alter reality at will)because they can do that and are both made of energy, which would keep them safe from Alex killing them (and yes, I am ignoring Marvel Zombies, because that's different).
Dr. Manhattan could too, depending on what he's made of. Probably the Molecule Man could destroy him, although he'd have to careful not to be eaten, and The Sentry/Void, because he/it has virtually limitless power and is impossible to kill without the core human personality (Robert Reynolds) helping. Seriously, Sentry was wiped from time AND disintegrated and he still came back almost immediately.
Sooo. . . yeah, no shortage of Marvel people who could kill him.
As a side note, I predict that Heller (the protagonist for Prototype 2) will either be consumed by Mercer OR he will consume him, therefore becoming him. Either way, not a happy ending.
Edit: I forgot the Beyonder and Thanos with either the Cosmic Cube or the Infinity Gauntlet
Dr. Manhattan could too, depending on what he's made of. Probably the Molecule Man could destroy him, although he'd have to careful not to be eaten, and The Sentry/Void, because he/it has virtually limitless power and is impossible to kill without the core human personality (Robert Reynolds) helping. Seriously, Sentry was wiped from time AND disintegrated and he still came back almost immediately.
Sooo. . . yeah, no shortage of Marvel people who could kill him.
As a side note, I predict that Heller (the protagonist for Prototype 2) will either be consumed by Mercer OR he will consume him, therefore becoming him. Either way, not a happy ending.
Edit: I forgot the Beyonder and Thanos with either the Cosmic Cube or the Infinity Gauntlet