Who created xenomorphs (according to Prometheus) SPOILERS!

[neznajko]

Watch Prometheus first, I'll wait...

Here is my two cents:

==SPOILERS==

At the beginning, we see a Big Blue Muscle Guy on Earth, killing himself for some reason by drinking heavily, followed by disintegration (happened to me last time I went for a drink). The only thing left is his DNA, thus creating life on Earth by accident. Great job!

Because the Big Blue Muscle Guys are jerks, they decide to destroy life on Earth a few billion years later, by using their version of WMD, the "Black Goo". The goo basically turn it's host in to a raging mutant zombie (we see that when the Ginger Geologist Fifield (Sean Harris) attacks his crew members, probably searching for their brains).

But when Charlie Holloway (Logan Marshall-Green) now infected by the goo, but not yet a zombie, impregnates his sterile girlfriend Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace) whit his super alien sperm, they create a super mutant space squid, probably the original facehugger. After that, the squid is aborted but grows big and strong and attacks the Big Blue Muscle Guy who is groggy after his hibernation, but still a jerk because he's trying to kill a helpless woman who just had a Cesarean. The squid than lays it's egg in his warm and cozy belly. From his belly comes some CG alien who looks similar to the xenomorph from Alien (probably the original xenomorph queen).

To summarize: Humans are responsible for creating xenomorphs that we all know and love.

==END==

Give me your opinions and theories.

 

[dspike]

Well I think that the guy at the beginning was actually sacrificing himself to create life on Earth.

Then I also think that the engineers do not like us because they were disappointed at what humanity had become, and wanted to eliminate us, and start over.

Then there is the giant facehugger. Well the alien that came out of our friend the engineer at the end had a different type of mouth, sort of like the mouth of an alien queen. So maybe the giant facehugger creates queens?

 

[ShadowsofHope]

..That is one of the most convoluted origin stories I have ever heard, honestly.

I do believe I shall give Prometheus a sturdy "PASS" until I can rent it, after this.

 

[wintercoat]

Watch Prometheus first, I'll wait...

Here is my two cents:

==SPOILERS==

At the beginning, we see a Big Blue Muscle Guy on Earth, killing himself for some reason by drinking heavily, followed by disintegration (happened to me last time I went for a drink). The only thing left is his DNA, thus creating life on Earth by accident. Great job!

Because the Big Blue Muscle Guys are jerks, they decide to destroy life on Earth a few billion years later, by using their version of WMD, the "Black Goo". The goo basically turn it's host in to a raging mutant zombie (we see that when the Ginger Geologist Fifield (Sean Harris) attacks his crew members, probably searching for their brains).

But when Charlie Holloway (Logan Marshall-Green) now infected by the goo, but not yet a zombie, impregnates his sterile girlfriend Elizabeth Shaw (Noomi Rapace) whit his super alien sperm, they create a super mutant space squid, probably the original facehugger. After that, the squid is aborted but grows big and strong and attacks the Big Blue Muscle Guy who is groggy after his hibernation, but still a jerk because he's trying to kill a helpless woman who just had a Cesarean. The squid than lays it's egg in his warm and cozy belly. From his belly comes some CG alien who looks similar to the xenomorph from Alien (probably the original xenomorph queen).

To summarize: Humans are responsible for creating xenomorphs that we all know and love.

==END==

Give me your opinions and theories.

That was...just...wut...I have...confused...dafuq...

Yeah, imma gonna give Prometheus a pass...

 

[Ragsnstitches]

Spoiler

The Engineers deliberately created life on earth.

The reason why they decided to destroy life on earth could be anything from observing our destructive nature, to simply resetting their research due to some undesirable outcome.
Maybe planets like ours that can sustain and cultivate advanced life are a rare occurrence and they decided to clear us off for scarcity reasons.

But I think it was fear. Not that we were a threat to them, but we were so much like them but yet NOT them that they felt nothing but contempt for us. Look at the whole subplot of David the android as a microcosm of the Engineers view of us and you can see where I'm coming from.


Finally, the Goo is a genetic modifier. It's the same stuff the Engineer consumed at the start. My personal take is that it's a tool that can be calibrated for different uses or to have different affects on a subject. However due to the sheer amount of possible outcomes when farting around with genetics, the impromptu experiment that David performed had an alternative effect... starting a new strand of life.

The Proto-Facehugger, I believe, was formed from a genetically reprogrammed sperm cell that merged with a human egg. The Proto-Alien at the end is not the same alien we see in the Alien film, but a distant relation none the less... this alien likely breeds asexually and spreads to other Engineer ships... one of those ships escapes with stowaways and eventually crashes into the planet that the Film "Alien" shows.

My 2 cents.

EDIT: I felt the whole "alien" subplot was shoehorned in. I believe Ridley when he says it's not an alien prequel... that fan service (and that's all it is) shouldn't have been there.

 

[Ilikemilkshake]

The thing that i want to know is WHY?

Why did the guy kill himself?
Why did the other guys want to then destroy all life on earth?
And most importantly, what on earth (tehe) did they hope to achieve by replacing all of the species on our planet with xenomorphs?

Surely they had better weapons than chucking some crazy parasites at us? Y'know ones that wouldn't kill them either?

 

[PurePareidolia]

Well I think that the guy at the beginning was actually sacrificing himself to create life on Earth.

I thought that, except his (apparently giant) DNA can't have gone to do anything, as the black stuff disintegrated it. So my theory is he just got depressed and committed suicide. Also stuff like grass already existed so he can't have created all life.

Now here's a more in-depth theory: Given apparently people in this universe know and understand "300 years of Darwinism", and space jockey DNA is "exactly" human, not just "primate" my theory is whichever ones interact with Earth mutated themselves from us. Probably looking to appear friendly or something. First off, we know how humans evolved on this planet, so if their DNA is *exactly* human, evolution would have had to work backwards to create chimpanzees and things after humans. We know the xenomorphs are Space Jockey biotechnology, so if you think of they work - taking genetic traits of their hosts to adapt it fits that the jockeys themselves could do that.

It doesn't explain any of their motivation to kill us sadly, I just wanted to patch together some of the nonsensical science in this movie.

 

[Doclector]

Well I think that the guy at the beginning was actually sacrificing himself to create life on Earth.

Then I also think that the engineers do not like us because they were disappointed at what humanity had become, and wanted to eliminate us, and start over.

I think you are right on both counts.

The black goo is the ultimate bioweapon. Not only does it create super strong zombies, but it has the capacity to evolve on it's own, becoming a parasitic organism, then killing machines in their own right. The only question is how the engineers planned to contain them. Maybe they are made to never evolve to the point where they would be able to leave the planet? Meaning that evantually, they run out of hosts, and die out?

Also, there was a thread like this a while back, in which me and someone else discussed what a "pure" alien would be like. Well, here's the answer. The pure alien is the black sludge. From that point, it becomes parasitic, taking parts from the creatures it uses, influenced perhaps by how it is reproduced.

 

[JesterRaiin]

Give me your opinions and theories.

...Too bad that Scott didn't include some theories proposed in Aliens/AvP comic books. The idea of Xenomorphs being a biomechanical weapon made and used by "Jockey" race in their civil war was quite interesting.

 

[Luftwaffles]

First thing yeah, spacejockey at the beginning consumes (what i dont think is the black goop in the movie but maybe a similar form of black goop that has many uses, beaten to this too) and fertilises primitive earth.

Why they decided to destroy humans, well. My theory is that they are just pissed with humans. Imean, they created homo sapiens, which for they were regarded as gods. But then one day (the film mentions 2000years which was the beginning of christianity) humans disregard their true creators and instead worship a figment of their imagination. Kinda reinforces this when the space jockey in stasis was woken up by puny humans, who then proceeded to destroy said puny beings.

I find that the relationship between the crew and Fassbot also draws some parallel to the spacejockeys motifs.

 

[silverhawk100]

OP: This isn't entirely correct. I can't exactly recall what the worms did to the designated dead-man, but they instinctively went and broke the suit seal on him, then slid in and wrapped around his head and went into his mouth. Also, the worms already had acid-blood and a proto second mouth. Add in the fact that all the dead engineers had been chest-bursted, it's likely that the surviving engineer sent the entire facility into decontamination, purging all non-static life. David does find some of the alien's goo on one of the consoles, remember? So we can conclude that the black goo is a DNA catalyst, turning living creatures into whatever it's engineers (pun intended) desire. In the case of that facility, it was to turn creatures into Aliens.

Part of the body horror from the movie is the question of whether the husband was entirely in his own head when he felt the urge to get intimate with the protagonist. We know that the goo turns creatures into face-huggers, so how face-huggery was he then? Enough to implant an alien into her through sex.

Moral of the story: This is what happens when you don't obey the scientific method.

Lingering questions: What happened to the black girl and the scottish chick? Protagonist lady beats them up and then they are never seen again. Absent of any extra energy process, how did that face-hugger at the end grow so huge? If it took it all from the host, then protagonist-lady should be dead or at least have lost about 60 pounds. When the only DNA the face-hugger at the end had available was human DNA, why did it end up remarkably like an octopus?

 

[Davey Woo]

I'm not entirely sure that the engineers specifically create Queen aliens. I was under the impression that any alien could become a Queen if necessary.

Also, I think the reason the alien looks slightly different is because they take on some of the features of the thing they spawned from. I can't remember which Alien film it as, but the first alien in it was created from a cow, and Ripley says saomething along the lines of "This one moves different than before."
This is the same in the second AvP film, where an Alien is spawned from a Predator's body, and it looks different and is far more powerful than other human-spawned Aliens.

 

[mad825]

So, the "aliens" are not aliens? That's stupid.

This is why I hate, hate prequels. They completely ruin the cannon and the atmosphere of the original film just like when Lucas thought it would be great idea to make the Phantom Menace. Yea, I went there.

 

[ShadowsofHope]

..That is one of the most convoluted origin stories I have ever heard, honestly.

Clearly you've never read the Silmarillion then, the closest thing the Lord of The Rings has to both a Bible AND a backstory.

Oh, I definitely have read the Silmarillion. Which is why I said one of instead of the most convoluted.

..Although at least the Silmarillion felt it like a true prequel for the LoTR's. This one just sounds like someone watched too much Watchmen and decided Dr. Manhattan should create a new Sol system..

 

[Dryk]

I came into this thread specifically to ***** about the fact that the title itself is a spoiler.

 

[Raddra]

I think i'll give this movie a miss.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

Yeah, well, majorly underwhelmed and frankly a bit pissed about Prometheus.

My theory number one is this: Rule number one for this movie seems to have been to fuck H. R. Giger over one more time by using Cthulhu squids and aryan blue skinhead titans instead of Giger's original and awesome alien designs.

The story? Meh. As with other brilliant movies that have been 'remade' lately, it's a sad mix of rehashing the bits that worked with some new stuff that might or might not secure financing for a random number of sequels and spinoffs to come.

All in all, it's just another raped franchise.

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

So, the "aliens" are not aliens? That's stupid.

This is why I hate, hate prequels. They completely ruin the cannon and the atmosphere of the original film just like when Lucas thought it would be great idea to make the Phantom Menace. Yea, I went there.

Yeah, basically, Scott pulled a Lucas with this one.

Maybe it's an old man disease or something.

 

[Hawk of Battle]

I told you all in that other thread that Prometheus was terrible, this is why. I am officially removing this piece of turd movie from my official headcanon, the same as I did with Requiem. All Prometheus did was introduce a ton of plotholes and retcons and offered nothing new or interesting.

And the OPs explaination doesn't even cover all the other holes in the story, like why the engineers left signs pointing us to their secret weapons facility, why nobody decided to go and track down and kill the giant facehugger thing after it was removed (seriously, she runs off from the people trying to put her into stasis, has enough time to completely remove the parasite, then locks it in a room and everyone forgets about it). They don't tell us why the android infected everyone (seriously, it served no purpose at all), everyone else on the crew did pretty much fuck all and acted like idiots constantly and and GAH, fuck this movie! The more I think about this movie the less sense it makes.

I'm gona stop thinking about it now, it's better for my sanity that way.