Who do you Save?

[A.I. Sigma]

Hmm, one thing I haven't seen anyone bring up yet (although I have been skimming):

Over the years, won't humanity create a new religion? It happened in Fallout with 'Atom', although that is just fiction, and from an atheist point of view, all the religions of the world had to be thought up at some point, right?

To avoid arguments, I'll exclude modern-day religions from this.

Look at the Ancient Egyptians, the Incas, the Aztecs, the Ancient Greeks, Ancient Rome, etc. Hell, I'm Pagan, but look at that, too. Someone somewhere in time would have thought this stuff up, whether they had a dream about it and thought it was true, or were schizophrenic and thought a god was speaking to them.

Humanity has always felt the need for a higher power, and in the middle of chaos, even more so. Perhaps the modern gods would be cast aside for failing to prevent nuclear destruction, and the offspring of the survivors (inbred or otherwise) may look to new deities. Maybe science will be twisted in a way and become a religion. The religion of science, like Fallout's Atom?

The rabbi, whilst a nice touch, may evetually find himself swamped by new religion. We don't need him to preserve religion, because religion never dies.

I made this point earlier, and completely agree with you that religion never dies. My argument then was that a new religion created sometime in the future would be without structure, order, or a spiritual guide. That is why I would keep the rabbi, because he is that spiritual leader that would keep it in check.

Whilst that is a good point, I feel the need to bring up a slight issue. New religion may feel threatened by the old and react violently. If Mr. Rabbi becomes swamped with new religion, who's to say he won't attempt to interfere with the new to save old? Will he even be alive by the time the new takes shape?

An example of old and new would be Paganism vs. Christianity. Paganism was the main religion of Britain before Christianity, and actually outdates it by two thousand years. However, when the Christians moved to Britian, they disliked Paganism immensely (understandable, because most of Britain were Pagans at the time). They told stories of Hell and the Devil to scare others into their faith, and accused remaining pagans of witchcraft, thus starting the horrors of witchburning for centuries.

Even nowadays, I get a lot of abuse off certain Christians (although, admittedly, most are perfectly pleasant with me if they find out. I don't make a habit of sharing) for my beliefs, even though I only believe in certain aspects of Paganism.

Back to the point, Mr. Rabbi would almost certainly be a threat to the new and possibly 'dealt with.' If the new wanted to convince others to join them, and yet the old religion was holding people back, they'd find a way to convert or silence him. They wouldn't listen to his attempts of order, because eventually he would be viewed as the outcast or the enemy. Any followers of the rabbi would be isolated, too. Perhaps society would branch off the rabbi's religion and form their own sect, rejecting the ways of the old. Tension could be caused by it from the disagreements within the old religion and the new sect. The possibilities are endless.

The less conflicting religions in the new world, the better. And yes, that includes my own religion. ^^

 

[A.I. Sigma]

Restart the entire human race from six people? That's ridiculous! I'd bring all the good looking females, and one or two males if I clicked with them. If I wouldn't be able to get along well with any of the males, I would save none, if none of the females were attractive I wouldn't save any of them either. Then I'd have a sweet-ass bunker all to myself.

You'd go mad with the three months of isolation. XD

 

[SultanP]

Restart the entire human race from six people? That's ridiculous! I'd bring all the good looking females, and one or two males if I clicked with them. If I wouldn't be able to get along well with any of the males, I would save none, if none of the females were attractive I wouldn't save any of them either. Then I'd have a sweet-ass bunker all to myself.

You'd go mad with the three months of isolation. XD

And I'd rather go mad alone than going mad AND having the corpse of some idiot I had to be locked locked up with smelling up my bunker.

 

[Shamgarr]

Hmm, one thing I haven't seen anyone bring up yet (although I have been skimming):

Over the years, won't humanity create a new religion? It happened in Fallout with 'Atom', although that is just fiction, and from an atheist point of view, all the religions of the world had to be thought up at some point, right?

To avoid arguments, I'll exclude modern-day religions from this.

Look at the Ancient Egyptians, the Incas, the Aztecs, the Ancient Greeks, Ancient Rome, etc. Hell, I'm Pagan, but look at that, too. Someone somewhere in time would have thought this stuff up, whether they had a dream about it and thought it was true, or were schizophrenic and thought a god was speaking to them.

Humanity has always felt the need for a higher power, and in the middle of chaos, even more so. Perhaps the modern gods would be cast aside for failing to prevent nuclear destruction, and the offspring of the survivors (inbred or otherwise) may look to new deities. Maybe science will be twisted in a way and become a religion. The religion of science, like Fallout's Atom?

The rabbi, whilst a nice touch, may evetually find himself swamped by new religion. We don't need him to preserve religion, because religion never dies.

I made this point earlier, and completely agree with you that religion never dies. My argument then was that a new religion created sometime in the future would be without structure, order, or a spiritual guide. That is why I would keep the rabbi, because he is that spiritual leader that would keep it in check.

Whilst that is a good point, I feel the need to bring up a slight issue. New religion may feel threatened by the old and react violently. If Mr. Rabbi becomes swamped with new religion, who's to say he won't attempt to interfere with the new to save old? Will he even be alive by the time the new takes shape?

An example of old and new would be Paganism vs. Christianity. Paganism was the main religion of Britain before Christianity, and actually outdates it by two thousand years. However, when the Christians moved to Britian, they disliked Paganism immensely (understandable, because most of Britain were Pagans at the time). They told stories of Hell and the Devil to scare others into their faith, and accused remaining pagans of witchcraft, thus starting the horrors of witchburning for centuries.

Even nowadays, I get a lot of abuse off certain Christians (although, admittedly, most are perfectly pleasant with me if they find out. I don't make a habit of sharing) for my beliefs, even though I only believe in certain aspects of Paganism.

Back to the point, Mr. Rabbi would almost certainly be a threat to the new and possibly 'dealt with.' If the new wanted to convince others to join them, and yet the old religion was holding people back, they'd find a way to convert or silence him. They wouldn't listen to his attempts of order, because eventually he would be viewed as the outcast or the enemy. Any followers of the rabbi would be isolated, too. Perhaps society would branch off the rabbi's religion and form their own sect, rejecting the ways of the old. Tension could be caused by it from the disagreements within the old religion and the new sect. The possibilities are endless.

The less conflicting religions in the new world, the better. And yes, that includes my own religion. ^^

Good points, good discussion, but I don't nesaccarily see the rabbi becoming a tyrannical religious leader as all that bad. DISCLAIMER: This doesn't really portray my religious views, but it leads to questions and further discussion. Citing Christianity as an example, popes for thousands of years pretty much controlled every single follower of their religion. We need a leader in this time of depravation and turmoil. People are going to naturally turn to religion anyway, why not make it a religion that is well ordered, has a strong leader, and will be well established by the time that a new religion forms some time down the line.

The way I see it, the original survivors will allow their children to embrace this religion, because there's really no other way of explaining the fact that there once was a beautiful placed called Earth that nuked itself because you and everyone else are completely, inherently evil. Thus, even if the original 6 don't follow/believe it, there children will.

 

[Guitarmasterx7]

3) An Olympic male Athlete (for arguments sake, of all sports)
5) A renowned female starlet (dancer, actress, singer, songwriter, etc)
6) A college co-ed
7) A second year medical student
8) A police officer
10)A biochemist

I would leave out 9, that's a given. 2 is completely useless, as she really serves no purpose other than giving birth to another person who could help repopulate, but that'll be my job because I'll save 5 and 6 (assuming 6 is female, if 6 isnt female then I'll save 4 instead of 6) I'll leave out 1, because honestly, just because he's a librarian doesn't mean he's read all the books he has, so people are just assuming he's smart, but he would be smart in an impractical way. 4 can die because he's old and is going to die soon anyway, and really what good is historical knowledge if humanity is completely destroyed anyways? It could help in reforming society, but really anyone with a broad understanding could do that.

 

[Chaos Bringer]

1,2,3,4,7,10.

 

[Pyro Paul]

i've noticed something about most every ones list...
there are 11 people to choose from. not 10.

you are all forgetting about yourself.


i would have the following list
Myself
Librarian
librarian's wife
co-ed
police officer
medical student

why.
this is the best mix to ensure a high psychological morale setting while setting the foundation for future generations.

myself because in this i am a natural leader, being elected to the top commanding position of a nation.

the family creates a foundation of love and hope. being with one another allows them happiness which carries over to the group. the child they bare also is a boon to morale as children promote the urge to protect and grow in humans. the parents will work very hard to try and remake the world as good as they can for their child which will ensure 2 hard working individuals and set a good family based foundation for future generations.

the medical student is required to ensure the birth of the child. their limited medical insight will be a boon to the post-nuclear world as they can ensure the well being of the survivors and counter act injuries incurred after words.

the police officer provides a sense of protection and security to the individuals, which in turn increase morale. further more the police officer already has a loyalty to the community and individual he protects (commonly held psychological driving position of most police officers) this will give him extra drive when it comes to rebuilding the world or making it better for the child.

the co-ed, to be blunt, prevents regression to primal levels of sexual 'desperation'. in a social setting where there is 1 female and several males, a sort of tension starts to occure as those remaning men vie for alpha status in attempt to dominate breeding rights. this will create agression between the husband wife, and eventually axiety, depression, and lower morale will set in with most every one as the other 'stronger' men assume breeding priority over the 'inferior' husband.

the co-ed, being more approchable will allow a much required socio-sexual level of equiality allowing the general psychie of the remaining males to be preserved with in controllable standards. she is a much better choice for this role as she is a younger (18-25) female student which is means she is more open to social interactions and will create friendly conversation as a suggnificant or equial to the others.




why i didn't choose.
the starlet would be a sycophant feeding her own selfish desire and have an innate sense that she is ment to be served. her selfish attitude would cause a drop in morale as she would be more about personal pleasure than preservation.

the athlete is competitave which means that they are more prone entering the alpha dominance assumption. this creation degrades the socio-standing of the group, lowers morale, and creates a more nomadic future.

the elder historian. history can be remade so their ultimate role would be rather deminished. ontop of this, their elderly state would prevent some of the more physical tasks required for rebuilding and ultimatly their death would create a large drop in morale later on.

the rabbi. religion is often associated with death. despite the fact that culturally they will add higher morale through faith an underlyning fact still remains that they represent death which will effect the subconcious of every one.

Bio-chemist. as learned as this individual is... what lab is he going to work in? what facility is going to reproduce his work? a biochemist is one part of several scientists and engineers which create something wonderful out of something very small. the fact that there is only this bio-chemist and no one else to help with his work greatly limits his capability in aiding reconstruction processes.

 

[El_Moss]

1) A male Librarian
4) An elderly male, famous historian

YES. 1 and 4 would be useful for educating the new society as well as recollecting on history, though 4 would have to educate the rest of the bunker mainly the librarian as being elderly he has is the most likely to die soon anyway.

5) A renowned female starlet (dancer, actress, singer, songwriter, etc)
6) A college co-ed (If female otherwise 2)

YES. Repopulation. Wink.

7) A second year medical student

YES. Knowledge of medicine, though probably not that good would be very important.

10)A biochemist

YES. To help cope with the fallout and for general knowledge I guess.

2) The Librarian's wife, who is 6 months pregnant

NO. A baby would be troublesome in the bunker and we're better off with out, plus less distractions for the librarian (I'm heartless). She'd probably refuse to "reproduce" with anyone but the librarian as well.

3) An Olympic male Athlete (for arguments sake, of all sports)

NO. Rather unimportant, sports are unnecessary for repopulation, and some one else could get good at sports if necessary.

8) A police officer

NO. Largely unnecessary with a small population, in a bunker or without equipment.

9) A rabbi

NO. I don't like religion.

 

[mannaroth]

2,5,6,7,8,9 I would save these people because I belive that it gives a good solid rounding of different people.

 

[Shamgarr]

i've noticed something about most every ones list...
there are 11 people to choose from. not 10.

you are all forgetting about yourself.


i would have the following list
Myself
Librarian
librarian's wife
co-ed
police officer
medical student

why.
this is the best mix to ensure a high psychological morale setting while setting the foundation for future generations.

myself because in this i am a natural leader, being elected to the top commanding position of a nation.

the family creates a foundation of love and hope. being with one another allows them happiness which carries over to the group. the child they bare also is a boon to morale as children promote the urge to protect and grow in humans. the parents will work very hard to try and remake the world as good as they can for their child which will ensure 2 hard working individuals and set a good family based foundation for future generations.

the medical student is required to ensure the birth of the child. their limited medical insight will be a boon to the post-nuclear world as they can ensure the well being of the survivors and counter act injuries incurred after words.

the police officer provides a sense of protection and security to the individuals, which in turn increase morale. further more the police officer already has a loyalty to the community and individual he protects (commonly held psychological driving position of most police officers) this will give him extra drive when it comes to rebuilding the world or making it better for the child.

the co-ed, to be blunt, prevents regression to primal levels of sexual 'desperation'. in a social setting where there is 1 female and several males, a sort of tension starts to occure as those remaning men vie for alpha status in attempt to dominate breeding rights. this will create agression between the husband wife, and eventually axiety, depression, and lower morale will set in with most every one as the other 'stronger' men assume breeding priority over the 'inferior' husband.

the co-ed, being more approchable will allow a much required socio-sexual level of equiality allowing the general psychie of the remaining males to be preserved with in controllable standards. she is a much better choice for this role as she is a younger (18-25) female student which is means she is more open to social interactions and will create friendly conversation as a suggnificant or equial to the others.




why i didn't choose.
the starlet would be a sycophant feeding her own selfish desire and have an innate sense that she is ment to be served. her selfish attitude would cause a drop in morale as she would be more about personal pleasure than preservation.

the athlete is competitave which means that they are more prone entering the alpha dominance assumption. this creation degrades the socio-standing of the group, lowers morale, and creates a more nomadic future.

the elder historian. history can be remade so their ultimate role would be rather deminished. ontop of this, their elderly state would prevent some of the more physical tasks required for rebuilding and ultimatly their death would create a large drop in morale later on.

the rabbi. religion is often associated with death. despite the fact that culturally they will add higher morale through faith an underlyning fact still remains that they represent death which will effect the subconcious of every one.

Bio-chemist. as learned as this individual is... what lab is he going to work in? what facility is going to reproduce his work? a biochemist is one part of several scientists and engineers which create something wonderful out of something very small. the fact that there is only this bio-chemist and no one else to help with his work greatly limits his capability in aiding reconstruction processes.

Simply since you wrote a bunch, I will take up some of your points. I actually really like the ideas of group morale and competitive instincts, that was something I hadn't heard or considered. I disagree that religion has to represent death, I believe quite the opposite. I mean, they're in a world that just went from 6 billion people to 6 in a matter of 3 months, Death is prevalent and they all know it. Getting rid of religion due to "it bringing up death" it rediculous to claim for a world in which 6 billion graves are still fresh with dirt and radiation.

Are you truly willing to erase thousands of years of human progress and experience by killing the historian? Without him, they will have a very limited knowledge of all the triumphs, mistakes, and stories of the people of old, something that would be very important in boosting morale. I'm not saying they should brood on the past, but the children won't even know who they are in the grand scheme of things.

You're one of the first not to choose the athlete, I don't agree not disagree on that one.

The Starlet is important to me in that she holds within her the accumulation of human arts and beauty. I haven't met her, so I don't know her persona but I can imagine that a world without song, without dance, without drama, without poetry, all of which help humans express themselves.

Going back to the athlete, I think a world without sports would lead to a bunch of frustrates young boys without any outlet for their frustration. Not that sports wouldn't develope without the Olympian, just the huge variety which he has perfected would mostly be gone.

Does not the bio-chemist have an extensive knowledge of agriculture and food, something that would probably be pretty important after the food in the vault runs out after 3 months and the survivors find themselves in a strange world without any food.

 

[philzibit]

1) Probably read a book on farming once
2) One in the oven already
3) Fit, can do labor
7) Easy, a doctor
8) Probably has survival skills
10)Good to have after a nuke disaster

 

[Anarchy In Detroit]

1) A male Librarian
2) The Librarian's wife, who is 6 months pregnant (reproduction)
5) A renowned female starlet (dancer, actress, singer, songwriter, etc) (reproduction)
6) A college co-ed (reproduction... again hahaha)
7) A second year medical student (invaluable knowledge)
10)A biochemist (could prove very useful)

librarians will also start us off with some form of literacy and a limited amount of historical knowledge (hopefully).

Process of elimination.

9 goes first. A rabbi? Really? Wow, you brought a... book. Thanks man. That'll help with the whole apocalypse thing if you're an impressionable ancient goat herder. If we're rebooting civilization I'd let religion go, especially any violent, ignorant, middle Eastern stuff that we've been stuck with for a few thousand years. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam have dominated the world for long enough. You had your turn, go away.

4 is next. The point is survival, and the old guy though smart is not necessary and will die.

I would cut 3. Brings nothing to the table. People will be fit enough on their own in the right conditions. In time we would have fit people reproducing anyways.

Aaaand the cop. Once a legal code is in place anybody can be a cop.

 

[The Cheezy One]

ive seen about 50 of these recently, and while there are different numbers and people, they basically lead up to "who do you kill?" with the conditions being kill 2 to save 3 etc.
ITS OLD NOW, YOU ARENT GOING TO LEARN ANYTHING NEW!

 

[GoldenRaz]

I'll sacrifice 4, 8 and 9, but I'm not quite sure who's next.
Bah, I'll guess that number 3'll have to wait outside for his/her turn.

My reasons?
They're expendable. *lightning in the background*
[/Evil Laughter]

 

[Raiha]

1) A male Librarian-let him die, completely unnescessary

2) The Librarian's wife, who is 6 months pregnant-save her, 2 for the price of one

3) An Olympic male Athlete (for arguments sake, of all sports)-save him for strength

4) An elderly male, famous historian-save him, need to remember the past so we are not doomed to repeat the mistakes

5) A renowned female starlet (dancer, actress, singer, songwriter, etc)-save her, eye-candy

6) A college co-ed-let him/her die, no real advantages over any others without knowing his/her major and year in college

7) A second year medical student-save him/her, will definately need some medical care

8) A police officer-let him die, anything he could do, the olympic athelete could probably do better

9) A rabbi- let him die, again unnescessary

10)A biochemist-save him, could probably also help with medical care, but the other applications are near limitless

so in the end 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, and 10

*edit* after posting i reread the first post then skimmed the pages to see if this was asked. are we talking about 6 people aside from myself or six people total? because i would have to rethink because i, myself, want to live so someone else would have to die.

 

[A.I. Sigma]

Hmm, one thing I haven't seen anyone bring up yet (although I have been skimming):

Over the years, won't humanity create a new religion? It happened in Fallout with 'Atom', although that is just fiction, and from an atheist point of view, all the religions of the world had to be thought up at some point, right?

To avoid arguments, I'll exclude modern-day religions from this.

Look at the Ancient Egyptians, the Incas, the Aztecs, the Ancient Greeks, Ancient Rome, etc. Hell, I'm Pagan, but look at that, too. Someone somewhere in time would have thought this stuff up, whether they had a dream about it and thought it was true, or were schizophrenic and thought a god was speaking to them.

Humanity has always felt the need for a higher power, and in the middle of chaos, even more so. Perhaps the modern gods would be cast aside for failing to prevent nuclear destruction, and the offspring of the survivors (inbred or otherwise) may look to new deities. Maybe science will be twisted in a way and become a religion. The religion of science, like Fallout's Atom?

The rabbi, whilst a nice touch, may evetually find himself swamped by new religion. We don't need him to preserve religion, because religion never dies.

I made this point earlier, and completely agree with you that religion never dies. My argument then was that a new religion created sometime in the future would be without structure, order, or a spiritual guide. That is why I would keep the rabbi, because he is that spiritual leader that would keep it in check.

Whilst that is a good point, I feel the need to bring up a slight issue. New religion may feel threatened by the old and react violently. If Mr. Rabbi becomes swamped with new religion, who's to say he won't attempt to interfere with the new to save old? Will he even be alive by the time the new takes shape?

An example of old and new would be Paganism vs. Christianity. Paganism was the main religion of Britain before Christianity, and actually outdates it by two thousand years. However, when the Christians moved to Britian, they disliked Paganism immensely (understandable, because most of Britain were Pagans at the time). They told stories of Hell and the Devil to scare others into their faith, and accused remaining pagans of witchcraft, thus starting the horrors of witchburning for centuries.

Even nowadays, I get a lot of abuse off certain Christians (although, admittedly, most are perfectly pleasant with me if they find out. I don't make a habit of sharing) for my beliefs, even though I only believe in certain aspects of Paganism.

Back to the point, Mr. Rabbi would almost certainly be a threat to the new and possibly 'dealt with.' If the new wanted to convince others to join them, and yet the old religion was holding people back, they'd find a way to convert or silence him. They wouldn't listen to his attempts of order, because eventually he would be viewed as the outcast or the enemy. Any followers of the rabbi would be isolated, too. Perhaps society would branch off the rabbi's religion and form their own sect, rejecting the ways of the old. Tension could be caused by it from the disagreements within the old religion and the new sect. The possibilities are endless.

The less conflicting religions in the new world, the better. And yes, that includes my own religion. ^^

Good points, good discussion, but I don't nesaccarily see the rabbi becoming a tyrannical religious leader as all that bad. DISCLAIMER: This doesn't really portray my religious views, but it leads to questions and further discussion. Citing Christianity as an example, popes for thousands of years pretty much controlled every single follower of their religion. We need a leader in this time of depravation and turmoil. People are going to naturally turn to religion anyway, why not make it a religion that is well ordered, has a strong leader, and will be well established by the time that a new religion forms some time down the line.

The way I see it, the original survivors will allow their children to embrace this religion, because there's really no other way of explaining the fact that there once was a beautiful placed called Earth that nuked itself because you and everyone else are completely, inherently evil. Thus, even if the original 6 don't follow/believe it, there children will.

I wasn't stating that the rabbi would be a tyrannial leader, or that he would cause problems. I think the new religion would feel more threatened by the old through establishing itself, rather than the other way around.

However, tyrannical and leader is never a good combination, religious or not. And people may blame the old religion for not saving the world. Would you really want to follow a God that let the world, your loved ones, and the rest of humanity burn around you? False Gods create anger and the need for something new.

 

[Iron Criterion]

Give me the sexes of the other individuals and I could decide. Also, their cup size.

4, 5, 6 if female, 7, 8, 10

If 6 is a male then I want 2.

I'm glad you're not actually president because the last thing we need is a sexually frustrated president

 

[Cliff_m85]

Give me the sexes of the other individuals and I could decide. Also, their cup size.

4, 5, 6 if female, 7, 8, 10

If 6 is a male then I want 2.

I'm glad you're not actually president because the last thing we need is a sexually frustrated president

The sex of each is important in reestablishing the world's population.
Cup size is EXTREMELY important in who would be wet-nursing children since the small population would need a wet-nurse or two during the repopulation period.