I think most people are quite aware about rising fuel prices, can't they have something to be happy about? Besides, most gamers I know are also guilty of talking way to much about their interest (guilty as charged).WlknCntrdiction said:
Who doesn't like football?
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True. Can't argue with that. But then there are other things that are actually fun that they can be happy about, surely football can't be the only thing they can be happy about, surely?sammyfreak said:
Are you even trying to make sense, or is this just trolling people who aren't there? I honestly can't believe I'm having to say this to someone above the age of three, but: some people enjoy things that you don't. This does not give you the right to look down on them.
I hate football, Cricket I love, and I can live quite happily reading about the days play online when I finish work but football, and most other sports, grone.
What I hate is the fact that everything has to be put aside for bloody sport, example Pushing Daisies.
I saw the first episode on ITV and thourght wonderful, a decent original program rather than another fucking talent contest that seem to be the driving force of UK television right now, but then it was announced that the second episode would not be shown because Euro 2008 was more important, even though none of the local teams would be playing.
However as much as I hate that this is done for football, I can forgive it because at most its three hours worth of dead time for me, and it is fairly infrequent, tennis, particularlly those happy two weeks when they play in London, last monday, five hours on BBC 1 and BBC 2, at the same time, who the hell does the director general hire?
Even when I could watch the cricket, I was happy watching infrequently for about 30 minutes every two hours rather than spend a whole day glued to a single game, as I had other things to do, so once again, just a half hour program of the days highlights would have been fine for me, and for those who hate the game, something better to watch, who loses in this senario?.
This is what gets my goat, television networks dropping everything to show several weeks of solid sport without any form of compensation for those of us who don't watch it, or can live happily reading the highlights, its not fair is it, someone anounces their not going to show a cup final, they would be forced to resign and an apology would be issued.
I ended up ordering the Pushing Daises DVD instead of watching it on TV as I was so disgusted with ITV, then just before the broadcast of the final episode they anounced I could watch the second one online, it would have been nice to have been told this eight weeks ago but that was proberly too much like hard work for the ITV bosses.
P.S. I have no understanding of the offside rule myself, but then not many people know all ten methods an cricket batsman can be declaired out so its a nice balance in my book.
What I hate is the fact that everything has to be put aside for bloody sport, example Pushing Daisies.
I saw the first episode on ITV and thourght wonderful, a decent original program rather than another fucking talent contest that seem to be the driving force of UK television right now, but then it was announced that the second episode would not be shown because Euro 2008 was more important, even though none of the local teams would be playing.
However as much as I hate that this is done for football, I can forgive it because at most its three hours worth of dead time for me, and it is fairly infrequent, tennis, particularlly those happy two weeks when they play in London, last monday, five hours on BBC 1 and BBC 2, at the same time, who the hell does the director general hire?
Even when I could watch the cricket, I was happy watching infrequently for about 30 minutes every two hours rather than spend a whole day glued to a single game, as I had other things to do, so once again, just a half hour program of the days highlights would have been fine for me, and for those who hate the game, something better to watch, who loses in this senario?.
This is what gets my goat, television networks dropping everything to show several weeks of solid sport without any form of compensation for those of us who don't watch it, or can live happily reading the highlights, its not fair is it, someone anounces their not going to show a cup final, they would be forced to resign and an apology would be issued.
I ended up ordering the Pushing Daises DVD instead of watching it on TV as I was so disgusted with ITV, then just before the broadcast of the final episode they anounced I could watch the second one online, it would have been nice to have been told this eight weeks ago but that was proberly too much like hard work for the ITV bosses.
P.S. I have no understanding of the offside rule myself, but then not many people know all ten methods an cricket batsman can be declaired out so its a nice balance in my book.
You cant just "pick a team to support" and expect to start feeling what most fans who following the team and support them for most there lives feel, and you cant say its all about money you can see the emotion from the fans players and mangers during games players are generally disappointed when they play bad, and there has to be more to it than 22 men kicking a ball for 90 minutes to have an entire crowed of 100,000 people to be silent for one kick.
But I suppose the amount of football fans and the amount of gamers (well gamers who go on forums) don't over lap too much but I happen to be one of them I have supported Liverpool since I was about 5 and followed them very passionately for 10 years now. If you don't like football fair enough thats your opinion and this is mine. But I have a question for you is there any sports you follow passionately and can you tell me why if not maybe its sports you generally don't like not just football.
But I suppose the amount of football fans and the amount of gamers (well gamers who go on forums) don't over lap too much but I happen to be one of them I have supported Liverpool since I was about 5 and followed them very passionately for 10 years now. If you don't like football fair enough thats your opinion and this is mine. But I have a question for you is there any sports you follow passionately and can you tell me why if not maybe its sports you generally don't like not just football.
Using the example that sammyfreak brought up, even I'm guilty of talking about games a little too much but even when Halo 3 came out or if there is a major game release it won't be the only thing I'm talking about. With football it's all anyone ever talks about, that's why I asked if there was anything else they talk about. I'm not looking down on anyone, they can enjoy their football, I hate that it takes the spotlight all the time though when(like A Username Not In Use, god what a mouthful lol)I want to actually watch quality tv(of which is slowly dwindling). I'll just go do something else when the world cup whirls around, no big deal.The_root_of_all_evil said:
I don't generally like watching sports fullstop. I like playing sports, why waste my time watching them? I can understand you've supported Liverpool for a long time but I can't understand how people can feel for them or feel genuinely sad when their team loses, it quite simply boggles my mind on all levels. But then again feelings aren't always logical and I would be wasting my time if I tried to figure out why people feel the way they do about "their" teams.klc0100 said:
Whats wrong with liking football? Admittedly it may tap into primitive aspects of human psychology like tribalism but its just another diversion in a society build upon the lesuire industry now. Also you state sex as being a better use of time than watching football but surely thats a more primal instinct than that of these football hooligans?
"You're watching 22 grown men running around a pitch kicking a ball about." Its easy to deconstruct anything like that, like gaming is just mashing some buttons or painting is just digging a brush into some pigments and slapping it about. In all these cases there is a dedication towards learning the technique required and a devotion to improving your ability in the field. Theres a great deal of skill required (and appreciated by many watchers)in football.
I'll admit an emotional connection can enhance the experience immeasurably but that is part of the appeal. I'm half spanish so all the frustrated hopes so far with the spanish national team along with the association made tonights game far more to me than a game of football, it is also what the industry feeds off. Football is possibly one of the only buisnesses that consistently makes a profit at extortianate prices regardless of the quality of the product so the emotional ties that fans have to a club is taken advantage of.
Btw, WalknCntrdiction. If you think atmosphere is a few beers with mates then thats nothing, try going to a real match (not arsenal, they are awful in regards to fan support).
Oh, and in regards to the superioty of playing the sport yourself rather than watching, again the pleasure of viewing superior technique and tactics come in. Despite your own level of proficiency is most things, you still can enjoy hugely seeing it done better. An amateur guitarist wouldn't look haughtily at the chance to see jimi hendrix as you do on seeing people far better at football than you.
Anyway, this is too much of a rant, I could go on but I'll spare you all that. I think most of the OP's points are misinformed and although I do concede there is certainly a matter of taste in appreciation of watching sports, you should at least experience a live game with good atmosphere before judging.
"You're watching 22 grown men running around a pitch kicking a ball about." Its easy to deconstruct anything like that, like gaming is just mashing some buttons or painting is just digging a brush into some pigments and slapping it about. In all these cases there is a dedication towards learning the technique required and a devotion to improving your ability in the field. Theres a great deal of skill required (and appreciated by many watchers)in football.
I'll admit an emotional connection can enhance the experience immeasurably but that is part of the appeal. I'm half spanish so all the frustrated hopes so far with the spanish national team along with the association made tonights game far more to me than a game of football, it is also what the industry feeds off. Football is possibly one of the only buisnesses that consistently makes a profit at extortianate prices regardless of the quality of the product so the emotional ties that fans have to a club is taken advantage of.
Btw, WalknCntrdiction. If you think atmosphere is a few beers with mates then thats nothing, try going to a real match (not arsenal, they are awful in regards to fan support).
Oh, and in regards to the superioty of playing the sport yourself rather than watching, again the pleasure of viewing superior technique and tactics come in. Despite your own level of proficiency is most things, you still can enjoy hugely seeing it done better. An amateur guitarist wouldn't look haughtily at the chance to see jimi hendrix as you do on seeing people far better at football than you.
Anyway, this is too much of a rant, I could go on but I'll spare you all that. I think most of the OP's points are misinformed and although I do concede there is certainly a matter of taste in appreciation of watching sports, you should at least experience a live game with good atmosphere before judging.
It's soccer! Soccer! Football is a bunch of tough idiots tackling each other in the mud and running alot.
I don't like either anywho. I don't see why the European world gets so worked up over 'Football'. Australians get in a frenzy over their sport, but not enough to riot and start fires.
I don't like either anywho. I don't see why the European world gets so worked up over 'Football'. Australians get in a frenzy over their sport, but not enough to riot and start fires.
The thing about fotball and similar sports is that people are insecure. If they can be a part of something bigger than their own futile lives for a while, then that's great. And if they can feel a part of a victory, then so much the better.
If you stop and think about it for a second you'll realise that that's pretty much what fotball (and America) is all about. Sure, some people are actually genuinely interested in the sport. I've met and talked to a few, hell, I even dated one. But most people who watch football/baseball/whatever sport you want do it because they need to feel better about themselves. If you try to put yourself in that role for a while you can probably see what I mean. There are probably things about your life you feel bad about, and you probably do something to make you feel less bad about it. Most likely you join a group of likeminded people, to enforce your self esteem, you join an online community, perhaps this one, that you really feel a part of. And instead of sitting and watching football you sit and rant on and on about how blizzard sucks, you analyze and review the human race, you talk shit about other groups. It's basic psychology. Because when you do that you become part of something greater. If the escapist were to win a web award you would feel good about it, you might even feel part of it. It's the same with fotball, or any other sport.
The difference is, "we" don't pay the people who write things here millions of dollars. We don't run around drunk on town in the middle of the night singing "oh, great escapist, we won, we fucking won". And we don't cost the government in the countries we live in tons of money because of vandalism and fighting. You would have an equally hard time explaining why you spend time here, or why you laugh like a maniac when you finally beat that level in starcraft, or when you fragged that guy in halo, or when you blow the whole map up with twenty nukes in Generals as they would have explaining the joy of seeing a jerk score in a football match. You think they are being stupid for enjoying something like that and feel so much joy over someone they don't know accomplishing something and they think you're a freak for feeling so much emotion for something happening on a screen.
There's always two sides to everything. If you try to understand that before you go on a rant about how boring football is, and instead focus on what's really awful about the sport (a jerkoff that runs around kicking a small piece of leather makes millions of dollars while people starve in many places in the world. Vandalism galore, and a lot of stupid drunk people feeling strongly, almost fanatically about opposite things gathered in a tiny area), you will have an easier time understanding, and saving yourself from a lot of negative emotions. You might also make a difference for the better in the world. No one is going to care if you scream "ban fotball, it's boring" (as little as you'd care if someone shouted "ban computer games, they're too complicated for my brain), but if you instead scream "ban fotball, it hurts the economy and is a health hazard, not only to the fans who fight themselves, but innocent bystanders as well" someone might actually care and it might lead somewhere. If we're lucky. One day.
If you stop and think about it for a second you'll realise that that's pretty much what fotball (and America) is all about. Sure, some people are actually genuinely interested in the sport. I've met and talked to a few, hell, I even dated one. But most people who watch football/baseball/whatever sport you want do it because they need to feel better about themselves. If you try to put yourself in that role for a while you can probably see what I mean. There are probably things about your life you feel bad about, and you probably do something to make you feel less bad about it. Most likely you join a group of likeminded people, to enforce your self esteem, you join an online community, perhaps this one, that you really feel a part of. And instead of sitting and watching football you sit and rant on and on about how blizzard sucks, you analyze and review the human race, you talk shit about other groups. It's basic psychology. Because when you do that you become part of something greater. If the escapist were to win a web award you would feel good about it, you might even feel part of it. It's the same with fotball, or any other sport.
The difference is, "we" don't pay the people who write things here millions of dollars. We don't run around drunk on town in the middle of the night singing "oh, great escapist, we won, we fucking won". And we don't cost the government in the countries we live in tons of money because of vandalism and fighting. You would have an equally hard time explaining why you spend time here, or why you laugh like a maniac when you finally beat that level in starcraft, or when you fragged that guy in halo, or when you blow the whole map up with twenty nukes in Generals as they would have explaining the joy of seeing a jerk score in a football match. You think they are being stupid for enjoying something like that and feel so much joy over someone they don't know accomplishing something and they think you're a freak for feeling so much emotion for something happening on a screen.
There's always two sides to everything. If you try to understand that before you go on a rant about how boring football is, and instead focus on what's really awful about the sport (a jerkoff that runs around kicking a small piece of leather makes millions of dollars while people starve in many places in the world. Vandalism galore, and a lot of stupid drunk people feeling strongly, almost fanatically about opposite things gathered in a tiny area), you will have an easier time understanding, and saving yourself from a lot of negative emotions. You might also make a difference for the better in the world. No one is going to care if you scream "ban fotball, it's boring" (as little as you'd care if someone shouted "ban computer games, they're too complicated for my brain), but if you instead scream "ban fotball, it hurts the economy and is a health hazard, not only to the fans who fight themselves, but innocent bystanders as well" someone might actually care and it might lead somewhere. If we're lucky. One day.
And we're the ones that are targetted over responsibility, violence and 'sick filth'.Silvertounge said:
Any surprise why football is tainted?
Reading is really just looking at a whole bunch of symbols. Films are just moving pictures. *gasp* Games are just button-pressing!
This could apply to anything thanks to the power of opinion. Believe it or not, 1% of the population find sex to be unutterably boring. If they were to use the same reasoning as you have, sex would be a good waste of 90 minutes, too.
Sport isn't about emotional attachment, just like books aren't about the tactics, teamwork, spatial awareness, athleticism and coordination. Oh, and you're being subjective.
You're confusing idiot sports fans with sports. Should I judge countries by their criminals? Should I judge gaming by the WoW addicts who play it 18 hours a day?
A long time ago there wasn't any money in sports, and the further you go back from the present day less money was in it. So yes, sports weren't always so commercial.
And again, you're confusing tangential things: the players; their role model status; etc, with the sport.
I see your idea of "much more" is going on an internet forum and complaining about something you don't like. Very productive.
Some people like sports but can't be assed doing it, just like some people like shooting things in a videogame but would rather not join the military. For my part, I love watching professional soccer in the same way I love any display of human excellence. You can't get this from your average amateur game.
This could just as easily apply to the many, many people who see gaming as pop culture's latest form of commercialised ennui.
In conclusion, you somehow criticised soccer without, you know, criticising it. Tell me when you've got an objective reason why soccer is so bad. I actually have some myself despite loving the game and nothing else- not the crowds, the fights or the cult of celebrity, but 22 men kicking a ball up and down a field. I'll tell you them when we start talking about soccer.