Why all the halo haters?

[thatguy779]

It was the first yes, then people did everything it did better, not it's obsolete.

Everybody used to praise halo for it's awesome multiplayer,

See the likes of Gears of War, Call of Duty, and Battlefield, Team Fortress 2, among others, for the one up of multiplayer.

single player

OK, there's a long list of games with a better single player, but I'll throw out Fallout 3, Mass Effect, and Red Dead Redemption (though in all fairness the last two aren't FPSes)

and awesome main character in the form of Master chief.

Yeah...and then main characters learned to talk and grew faces.

I guess this is coming off a bit harsh, but that's the only way I can think of to answer your question. Sorry for the harshness.

I understand but mass effect, red dead redemption,and fallout 3 came way after halo. Back then story in a game(except for maybe half life but that was about it) was UN heard of so halo's story was good enough for us all.

Halo came before gears and team fortress 2 and battlefield was not even on consoles at the time(battlefield bad company 1 was not out) and neither was call of duty.

 

[Delock]

Even if halo wasn't inspiration, neither games like golden eye or perfect dark helped make a fictional nintendo 128 but halo helped make the xbox 360.

Seriously, stop using that line. First off, you're wrong about it, givent that those two helped to shape offline co-op, keep FPSs alive and relevant to people who didn't play PC games, and were successful enough to help Nintendo make the Gamecube and Wii. Second, relating to the end of the previous sentence, just as Golden Eye and Perfect dark didn't solely give enough money in revenue to make another console, neither did Halo. Plenty of other Xbox games contributed, and I'd even bet a bit of profits from Microsoft's other divisions helped out. Sure, Halo was the big console figurehead, but there were a lot of other games the Xbox had (I have a used game store nearby that has a full shelf of Xbox games, atleast 4 feet long, four rows, and arrange with the side facing forward).

As for Halo hate, some of it comes from the fact that it's most rabid fanboys praise it as the best game ever, it happens to be a very well known game. Most happen to get a lot of crap even if they turn out to be just fine. On that note, Halo fans shouldn't complain about the hate they get, because trust me when I say it pales in comparison to the hate FF fans suffer under.

Wells it's not like the gamecube and the wii had good shooters on it(if any). At least they weren't very hardcore

And with that, we say hello to Metroid Prime, Red Steel 2, XIII, TimeSplitters 2, and some medal of honors (never really played those, but they've got a fan base).

Also I used that line like twice. boo hoo

4 times in 4 different posts to 4 different people despite the fact that the N64 was popular enough for Nintendo to keep making consoles. In fact it made not only those two, but the entire gameboy family after that too.

And if you're looking for halo fans to get respect, try not to be come off as being an asshole on the forums. It sort of ruins the message. (Yes, I know you're "Not a fanboy" but you are defending the game, so you're representing it.)

If anyone is being an asshole it's most of the people in this thread. I say some good things about halo and everybody assumes FANBOY,FANBOY,FANBOY!. As much as I like metroid, The gamecube is not really very popular anymore. I guess will see when metroid other m comes out. Red steel 2 was meh to me. I guess I just never liked the wii. It did not seem very hardcore to me when my other options were halo,gears,gta,call of duty,killzone,bioshock,fallout,and god of war.

Mostly, that's just an Escapist Trial By Fire that happens anytime someone defends a not too popular game for this site. However, if you remain polite, people will come to respect you and your opinion here.
What is really getting to a lot of people though is that you're stating opinions as facts or just getting the facts messed up.

I understand but mass effect, red dead redemption,and fallout 3 came way after halo. Back then story in a game(except for maybe half life but that was about it) was UN heard of so halo's story was good enough for us all.

You do know a whole lot of RPGs had come before Halo, right? That meant storytelling was indeed a very lively aspect of games at the time. If you're talking about FPSs though, that's a different story, but not that different.

 

[Xcelsior]

Haters gonna hate, that's the only thing that comes to mind.

 

[thatguy779]

We might not even have 1st person shooters on a console since halo was the first console shooter that worked right.

This is actually the one claim that i cant stand. I will always give Goldeneye for the N64 credit for really laying out the foundation for console shooters.

Edit: Aww ninja'd

Halo helped make the xbox what it is today. Golden eye did not really help make the wii famous when it first came out.

You are.... INCREDIBLY STUPID.

How old are you?

Yep, that's a fair cop. Can't believe he said that. Goldeneye certainly did sell the NINTENDO SIXTY-FOUR when it came out. As I recall, Goldeneye was one of many great games for the N64 that really sold that console. As well as the Perfect Dark series, which was another classic FPS.

Not to mention the huge pile of FPS's that came out for the PS2 before the Xbox was even released.

I did not say it did not help sell the 64. I said it did not help sell the wii. Check your facts next time.

 

[Macrobstar]

It all has to do with fanboyism. PC gamers see Halo as the symbol of their obsolescence (Half Life 2 functions pretty well as that symbol, but that's just my opinion) Nintendo and Pony fans see it as the symbol of Microsoft, and people who don't like FPSes see it as the symbol of FPSes.

no its not that at all its the fact that its completely generic and adds nothing new to the genre, in fact id be ashamed if anyone caught me playing halo on mu 360

 

[Wing Dairu]

"The first console FPS that worked right"? HELLO? Did you ever play Metroid Prime? I'll tell you what's wrong with Halo, you fanboy.
-Frustratingly repetitive level design.
-It's very stingy with ammo.
-It might be realistic, but I don't like only being allowed to carry two weapons.
-The AI is, as Yahtzee put it, "pants on head retarded"
-Master Chief is completely unrelatable.
-The Flood is basically a ripoff of the headcrabs in Half-Life
-TOO MUCH COMBAT. I swear, take a page from Valve's book and break it up a bit.
HAPPY? THAT'S why we bloody hate Halo.

 

[Aratus]

Alright now I just think you are trolling. Lets break down the question you wanted to avoid.

Back then story in a game(except for maybe half life but that was about it) was UN heard of so halo's story was good enough for us all

Back then as in 2001 when Halo came out. There were plenty of games that had excellent story before that came out. Halo had an average story. Its Space Marines vs. Aliens in a fight to save humanity, wonder where I heard that before.

Here is my main point. The story in Halo is not what carries the game, nobody 5 to 10 years from now will not be looking at Halo for its amazing story telling. In contrast, Bioshock is a game that will always be loved for a great story and narrative that went along with its gameplay.

The hate stems from people who want to put Halo next to games like Bioshock or Half-Life or Fallout 3 in terms of greatness and the ability to move the genre forward, and I think its a silly argument.

 

[thatguy779]

"The first console FPS that worked right"? HELLO? Did you ever play Metroid Prime? I'll tell you what's wrong with Halo, you fanboy.
-Frustratingly repetitive level design.
-It's very stingy with ammo.
-It might be realistic, but I don't like only being allowed to carry two weapons.
-The AI is, as Yahtzee put it, "pants on head retarded"
-Master Chief is completely unrelatable.
-The Flood is basically a ripoff of the headcrabs in Half-Life
HAPPY? THAT'S why we bloody hate Halo.

Uh you do realize halo came before metroid prime? Moron. How are the headcrabs anything like the flood?

 

[Wing Dairu]

I'm not saying that Halo didn't come first. I'm saying that compared to Metroid Prime, it's unbelievably broken.

 

[Azure-Supernova]

If halo didn't exist, then the xbox would not exist which means we would probably not have most of the 360 exclusives we know today. ex: gears of war,crackdown,and a bunch of other games I forget.

You say it like it's a bad thing that we won't get all these dull shooters with poor stories and paper thin characters.

We might not even have 1st person shooters on a console since halo was the first console shooter that worked right.

May I draw your attention to Goldeneye 007 and Medal of Honour? We might not have had Halo were it not for those two 'good' shooters.

Halo is a good all round shooter with an interesting background story.

Good all round shooter it may be, but it's story and characters are as bland as McDonalds' food.

The hate has been around for a while now, a really long while. Forunately it won't stop (it's most amusing to see Halo fanboys explode with rage).

 

[Chrinik]

Halo is considered a basic FPS accourding to many many MANY posts in this thread.
But why is it considered a basic FPS?
Because (or so I heard), it basically introduced everything that is in every "generic" shooter ever made since halo. Regenerating Health (shields)while still maintaining medipacks, limited weaponry, steerable vehicles etc etc.
I liked Halo...all parts of it.
But that does not mean I find it particulary outstanding or anything...it´s a good, solid FPS with a nice story (if you consider not only the games)but not really standing out, had nice cinematics, good visuals, huge outdoor levels... And let´s not forget the first part had you entirely in the fog about who the enemy is, and why you are fighting them.

It has it´s flaws, but it is one of the very few games that have 4 player coop over Splitsceen for the campaign(halo 3) so you basically just have to have one console, one game, 4 controlers and 3 buddies and a good, big screen and off you go into a nice coop gaming evening.

 

[thatguy779]

Alright now I just think you are trolling. Lets break down the question you wanted to avoid.

Back then story in a game(except for maybe half life but that was about it) was UN heard of so halo's story was good enough for us all

Back then as in 2001 when Halo came out. There were plenty of games that had excellent story before that came out. Halo had an average story. Its Space Marines vs. Aliens in a fight to save humanity, wonder where I heard that before.

Here is my main point. The story in Halo is not what carries the game, nobody 5 to 10 years from now will not be looking at Halo for its amazing story telling. In contrast, Bioshock is a game that will always be loved for a great story and narrative that went along with its gameplay.

The hate stems from people who want to put Halo next to games like Bioshock or Half-Life or Fallout 3 in terms of greatness and the ability to move the genre forward, and I think its a silly argument.

Uh halo came before bioshock and fallout 3 anyway and halo was actually the first game to start the space marines craze so don't blame halo for it. Blame the people that tried to make halo killers and failed.

 

[Amphoteric]

So what if Halo and the Xbox didn't exist WE WOULDN'T CARE.

 

[dragonslayer32]

If halo didn't exist, the xbox would still exist. I don't like halo, itisn't my type of game. I felt like killing myself playing halo 3 storymode, it just dragged on. I don't think I got past the first stage. Also, it is WAY overhyped. It is an average game at best(for the multiplayer)

 

[thatguy779]

If halo didn't exist, then the xbox would not exist which means we would probably not have most of the 360 exclusives we know today. ex: gears of war,crackdown,and a bunch of other games I forget.

You say it like it's a bad thing that we won't get all these dull shooters with poor stories and paper thin characters.

We might not even have 1st person shooters on a console since halo was the first console shooter that worked right.

May I draw your attention to Goldeneye 007 and Medal of Honour? We might not have had Halo were it not for those two 'good' shooters.

Halo is a good all round shooter with an interesting background story.

Good all round shooter it may be, but it's story and characters are as bland as McDonalds' food.

The hate has been around for a while now, a really long while. Forunately it won't stop (it's most amusing to see Halo fanboys explode with rage).

Golden eye was a james bond game. Medal of honor was a ww2 game. halo was a space marines game. How are those similar at all?

 

[Chrinik]

And with that "basic story" arguement...Warhammer 40k has even blander characters and even more space marines vs. other space marines, evil space marines, evil aliens, other aliens and ORKS for fucks sake<.<
Still, W40K stuff sells like hot cake, and has many fans througout.
Also, you don´t expect much personality and depth from a character who has been conditioned for war since the age of eight...expecting a rich and interresting character there is basically like expecting chocolate cake from someone rectum.

 

[Life_Is_A_Mess]

I don't know. I like it, even thought I'm a PC gamer. The first Halo was fun, but then people got too attached to it.

 

[Aratus]

Uh halo came before bioshock and fallout 3 anyway and halo was actually the first game to start the space marines craze so don't blame halo for it. Blame the people that tried to make halo killers and failed.

Warhammer 40k.

 

[Sassafrass]

Halo was the first xbox game ever.

Allow me to stop you there. It was one of the first, not the first. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_video_game_console_launch_games#Microsoft_Xbox]

If halo didn't exist, then the xbox would not exist which means we would probably not have most of the 360 exclusives we know today. ex: gears of war,crackdown,and a bunch of other games I forget.

Please explain how that works. Gears of War and Crackdown are completely different games, made by completely different company's, so how would Bungie not making Halo suddenly cease for those two games to exist.

I am asking why are there suddenly halo haters coming out of no where? When halo 3 was the most played game on xbox live, there was barely any haters in my opinion(at least they were not very obvious.

I know you haven't been here too long and you might not of noticed this but there is a fair bit of Halo hate around here. Back just after I joined, at least one "I hate Halo" topic was made a day. Thankfully, they've calmed down somewhat now.

Everybody used to praise halo for it's awesome multiplayer,single player, and awesome main character in the form of Master chief.

If by everyone you mean the XBox only review mags, then yes, yes they did as many saw Halo as the shining beacon of life. Some still do to this day, sadly. I also found Sargent Johnson to have more personality then the MC. MC didn't really appeal to me. But this is all opinion, many people do love the MC.

Then suddenly after modern warfare 2 comes out, the forums are filled with people hating on halo. Come on people! Just because halo 3 is not the most played game on xbox live anymore doesn't mean that we are supposed to hate on it. Halo 3 is still the 2nd most played game on xbox live anyway.Halo 2 was the most played game on original xbox until it got shutdown. Modern warfare 2 might not exist without halo!

Again, you weren't here for this. But after MW2 came out, the forums got filled with MW2 hatred, mainly due to what happened in the PC version of the game with the removal of dedicated servers and what not. I think they also took out the lean function. (Which the 360 so badly needs.)
And I fail to see how the fact Halo 3 being played less and less on LIVE means people hate on it more. And also, I fail to see how MW2 might not exist without Halo. As I've said before, Cod and Halo were made by two different companies.

Hopefully when halo reach comes out,this hate will come to an end. This is just my opinion though.

If any Halo hate ends at that point, I shall declare myself silly and dive head-first into a trash-compactor.

Mis-quoted wrong part, this was the discussion part of the thread, the opinion on Halo hatred.

My opinion? I don't mind the Halo haters, they normally keep to themselves and away from me, a fan of the games. While I do enjoy the Halo games, I do have better games to take my time up (Borderlands, Viva Pinata, Dragon Age: Origins, FF XIII to name four) and Halo is a fun MP blast with a few mates and also online, especially the Double EXP weekends. (Bring back Grifball permanently!) But I can see why some people wouldn't like it.

Also no, I am not a halo fanboy, I'm just sick of all the haters and I'm wondering why they decided to attack halo now.

You might claim to not be a fan-boy but your behaviour on this thread certainly does hint at it and you are attacking the haters, something which fan-boys do. Take my advice, take a step back, cool down, maybe go and game for a while or so then come back to this thread with a clear head. You're only digging yourself into a deeper hole and making yourself look like a fan-boy.

 

[Chrinik]

-Frustratingly repetitive level design. (where exactly? You go from a spaceship to a hillside with cliffs, to an island to an inevitable snow level. Sure at one point you backtrack a previous level. If you mean the interiors, then "kinda"...since it is artificially designed...you wouldn´t design one underground tunnel different from another, now would you?)
-It's very stingy with ammo. (that is personal opinion.)
-It might be realistic, but I don't like only being allowed to carry two weapons. (that is also personal opinion)
-The AI is, as Yahtzee put it, "pants on head retarded" (yes, at times, it can be frusttrating. But they do provide other targets for the enemy to shoot at. Since Halo was never meant to be a tactical shooter, it is debatable if the AI of the comrades even counts, the enemy AI is something to rip upon tho. Altho all the different enemys had destinct attack patterns and strategies.)
-Master Chief is completely unrelatable. (He has been conditioned for war since the age of eight, he is a weapon, not a person...can you in any way relate to that? Or should you, since you put it that way?)
-The Flood is basically a ripoff of the headcrabs in Half-Life (agreed, but only visually, since the headcrabs are actual creatures and the flood are SPORES that infect other creatures like parasites.)
-TOO MUCH COMBAT. I swear, take a page from Valve's book and break it up a bit. (With what? Seesaw puzzles? Throwing rocks into pits of death? It´s personal opinion)
HAPPY? THAT'S why we bloody hate Halo. (no, thats why YOU bloody hate halo...that is a difference)