Why all the halo haters?

[nuba km]

I think halo I over rated by fans don't get me wrong I like the games and I'm am going to get reach (just for forge world alone ) I have seen better multiplayer and better single player but it is a very solid game note the BeSt GaMe EvEr.

 

[Chrinik]

There is no "Best Game Ever" anyway...the whole discussion about that is pointless.
There are good games and there are fun games.
And then there are BAD games.
But what one understands as bad does not have to be bad to someone else.
What entertains one does not have to entertain someone else.
Some people don´t like OPF 2 because of it´s "boring realism" and some don´t like MW 2 because of it´s unrealism.
I enjoy both individually, because they are different to me.

It is opinion, and as an old german saying goes, opinion cannot be argued.

 

[Theron Julius]

It's not sudden, they pretty much took Yahtzee's words as gospel and blame every generic FPS on Halo, because it did well.

Indeed. It's not always fair to blame the parent when the child becomes corrupted. Halo set down some damn good ground. It was story centric (unlike most FPS games these days), had a solid gameplay system, and was legitimately fun. Even later Halo titles came close to that (Though not quite as solid in my opinion). The generation of FPS after the original Halo misconstrued Bungie's beautiful success as free reign to not try. Like a child raised well becoming a failure. In this case at least I feel that the parent did nothing wrong, but is being used as a scapegoat to explain the problems.

 

[Azure-Supernova]

Golden eye was a james bond game. Medal of honor was a ww2 game. halo was a space marines game. How are those similar at all?

Hmmm, let me see... could it have something to do with the First Person Perspective? Dress a game up however you like, Halo, CoD, MoH, Goldeneye, Borderlands, Bioshock, Stalker, Fallout 3. They're all first person shooters. Besides, Battlefield 2142 took the Space Marines thing and did it better than Halo anyway.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

If cod is a pc shooter then why is it more popular on 360 and ps3? Also goldeneye did not help create a fictional nintendo 128 but halo helped make the xbox 360. Crackdown and gears of war are xbox exclusives so if the xbox did not exist, then those games would probably not exist(since epic games and ruffian studios would not find a publisher for crackdown or gears). Halo actually did help make the xbox what it is today, since at the time, halo was the "only" xbox game out.

CoD is a PC FPS because it was made for the PC to being with and it feels like a PC shooter. Now this is hard to define but PC shooters are usually a bit more complex and contain much bigger maps to accomodate the fact that PC games can have 64 man servers. Also CoD is not more popular on the console than on the PC. If you would kindly click on the link for evidence. [http://www.xfire.com/] Out of xfire's most played games 3/10 of the the top ten are CoD games. The 2[sup]nd[/sup] and 3[sup]rd[/sup] being CoD4 and CoD 2 respectively. CoD 4 losing on the top slot to WoW and not by much at that. While xfire does not encompass all of WoW's playerbase the fact that it even comes close to it on anything that tracks games is fucking amazing. So no CoD is not more popular on consoles than PCs.

Where the fuck did the Nintendo 128 come from? Golden Eye did help make console FPS gaming what it is today and made the N64 what it was.

The point is you are pulling facts out of your arse to make it sound as if Halo made the xbox which it did not. The launch titles were for the xbox if I remember Dead or Alive 3, Amped: Freestyle Snowboarding, Halo: Combat Evolved, Fuzion Frenzy and Project Gotham Racing. Most of them being highly praised. While Halo did give the xbox a lot of drive it was not and is not the be all and end all of the console it would of done fine without it maybe not as well but still fine. Halo did nothing towards the xbox 360 and the console would of came anyway as Microsoft has wanted for a long time to make a stab at the console gaming market. After they feel that they have done well there want to go to hand held so no Halo would not have affected this.

So no Halo was not the "only" xbox game out and while it help make the xbox what it is today it is not of paramount importance to its existance as a console today or ever. So as I already mention Golden Eye yes did do as much if not more to help make the Game Cube the N64's successor than Halo to the 360. You really come across as having a lack of general research done on gaming on Consoles and in general as you seem to base your argument on false facts.

If this topic has been done so many times before then why are so many people coming to respond to this thread if it's so unimportant to them?

Let me answer this one because you have possibly created the most flimsy anti Halo argument on this site for basing your opinions about the game on false facts some I have just said a couple of lines up.

Uh I have never heard a thing about hating on gears,gta, or killzone. I have heard minor complaints about them but I never heard anything about haters up in arms about those games. I have mainly only heard stuff about halo.

Ok really your showing your lack of exposure to gaming media here. You really missed that big uproar about MW2 and the 250,000 person petition to get back the removed features from the PC version. So I would have to say MW2 gets more hate than the Halo series does collective especially at the moment.

 

[zakski]

CoD is a PC FPS because it was made for the PC to being with and it feels like a PC shooter. Now this is hard to define but PC shooters are usually a bit more complex and contain much bigger maps to accomodate the fact that PC games can have 64 man servers. Also CoD is not more popular on the console than on the PC. If you would kindly click on the link for evidence. [http://www.xfire.com/] Out of xfire's most played games 3/10 of the the top ten are CoD games. The 2[sup]nd[/sup] and 3[sup]rd[/sup] being CoD4 and CoD 2 respectively. CoD 4 losing on the top slot to WoW and not by much at that. While xfire does not encompass all of WoW's playerbase the fact that it even comes close to it on anything that tracks games is fucking amazing. So no CoD is not more popular on consoles than PCs.

I hate to reign on your parade here, but using xfire, which only shows pc games, does not show that CoD is more popular on pc than console

Edit: And another thing Halo:CE did make the xbox, it was the "killer" app at launch. I would guess that if a poll was done, most people who bought it at launch, bought for halo.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

I hate to reign on your parade here, but using xfire, which only shows pc games, does not show that CoD is more popular on pc than console

Edit: And another thing Halo:CE did make the xbox, it was the "killer" app at launch. I would guess that if a poll was done, most people who bought it at launch, bought for halo.

Em that is kinda my point to show how popular it is on the PC. If you give me some figures to shhow how popular is on the xbox fair enough. The fact that it even comes close to WoW and that 3 games are in the top 10 which at this point I am repeating myself shows how popular it is on the PC.

I don't think the xbox can claim anything like that with the main CoD games. While yes MW2 does quite well on the console popularity wise it was not originally marketed as a CoD and is technically not even part of the main series if you want to get into specifics. Steam today had 66,000 players on just today. So if you want to give me some stats to look at to compare then fair enough but I have actual stats to show how popular it is on the system.

Ultimately the point of the matter was that CoD as a series is more popular on console than on PC thus making the series a console shooter. Popularity on a system does not make a FPS game a console FPS or PC FPS. It is the style in which it is done. While MW2 may be a console FPS the others are most definitely PC shooters. So making a pretty bad point without any recent figures to back it up just doesn't cut it for me. I checked for XBL most played but the most recent list was for March and stats for play time were not shown.

 

[JacenElectronica]

i like to think people like moviebob hate games like halo cuz they suck at fps multiplayer.

 

[Abanic]

Halo was the first xbox game ever. Along with other games like Dead or Alive 3 and Project Gotham Racing.

If halo didn't exist, then the xbox would not exist which means we would probably not have most of the 360 exclusives we know today. ex: gears of war,crackdown,and a bunch of other games I forget. Why wouldn't the X-Box exist? You didn't explain this one. X-Box is hardware that was put together by Microsoft, Halo is software that was programmed by Bungie (Bungie was purchased by Microsoft once Microsoft saw it's potential).

We might not even have 1st person shooters on a console since halo was the first console shooter that worked right. Duck hunt (NES), Goldeneye 007 (on N64), Perfect Dark, Medal of Honor, Timesplitters. Need more examples that preceded Halo?

Halo is a good all round shooter with an interesting background story. Nobody is arguing that Halo wasn't good, but it's sequels were 'meh' and the original just wasn't the game changing phenomenon that fanboys credit it with. And yes, I will give it credit for the best story in a FPS up to that point in time.

I am asking why are there suddenly halo haters coming out of no where? When halo 3 was the most played game on xbox live, there was barely any haters in my opinion(at least they were not very obvious). Everybody (only the fanboys) used to praise halo for it's awesome multiplayer (it was alright) ,single player (single player was short and 'meh'), and awesome (shallow) main character in the form of Master chief. Then suddenly after modern warfare 2 comes out, the forums are filled with people hating on halo. Come on people! Just because halo 3 is not the most played game on xbox live anymore doesn't mean that we are supposed to hate on it. Halo 3 is still the 2nd most played game on xbox live anyway.Halo 2 was the most played game on original xbox (and AVATAR is the highest grossing movie of all time, followed by TITANIC: it doesn't prove that they are GOOD) until it got shutdown. Modern warfare 2 might not exist without halo! Hopefully when halo reach comes out,this hate will come to an end. This is just my opinion though. We haven't been anywhere else, maybe now that you're not playing it as much you're starting to see what others are saying?

So what do you have to say about this? If you think it's fun, then why does it matter that some people don't enjoy it? Boot up your 360 and play away!

Also no, I am not a halo fanboy, I'm just sick of all the haters and I'm wondering why they decided to attack halo now. Maybe the 'haters' are making their points because the fanboys are pressing theirs? And yes, you are a fanboy, you made that perfectly clear with your misrepresentation of reality in the opening of this post (your first three points). But what's wrong with being a fanboy? Have the self-confidence to stand up and admit your love without caring that you might not have 100% consensus with your opinion. From an avid comic-fanboy I say to you: "Rock on you Halo-fanboy!"

neither perfect dark nor golden eye helped make a fictional nintendo 128 (Both were successful games that spurred Nintendo to follow up the N64, Nintendo ended up calling its N64 follow up the "Gamecube" not the "128". So, yeah... they actually DID help make Nintendo's follow-up, it just wasn't called what you thought it would be called) but halo helped make the xbox 360. (again, HOW? Are you saying that Halo 'made' the 360 in the same way that 007 & P.D. 'made' the Gamecube? You're making (and changing) a powerful argument without basing it on FACTS. If you're going to make a strong statement then you have to clarify your position and cite your sources.)

Also no I am not a halo fanboy (yes you are, we've covered this; you blatantly ignore the negative issues of what you love... pretty much a fanboy by definition). Mainly because if gears of war was getting a lot of hate instead of halo, then I would make a similar thread like this one but instead of halo,it's gears of war. (Wow, bad sentence structure; but if I understand you correctly, you're trying to say that you can't be a Halo fanboy because you also like Gears of War? You do realize that a person can be a fan of many things, right? Maybe you're also a Gears fanboy? Or, more likely, you're just a fanboy of mediocre, style-over-substance, shooters.

And once again, what's wrong with being a fanboy? If you enjoy playing shallow, pretty, over-compensatory action games, then play on and enjoy yourself!

 

[Geekosaurus]

If halo didn't exist, then the xbox would not exist
halo was the first console shooter that worked right
Modern warfare 2 might not exist without halo

These are three very big statements and I'm afraid I don't agree with any of them. No, I'm not a fan of Halo, but I don't think that the game is responsible for a console, for the popularity of a genre, or the reason for the existence of one of the biggest games ever made.

 

[Treefingers]

We might not even have 1st person shooters on a console since halo was the first console shooter that worked right.

I take it you never played Goldeneye 007??

You're very late to get on this topic. Time to move on.

I take it you did not read my whole thread. It's my opinion!

Yeah, i couldn't be bothered scrolling through a topic that's been done to death already. Your opinion sucks.

 

[Bat Vader]

"The first console FPS that worked right"? HELLO? Did you ever play Metroid Prime? I'll tell you what's wrong with Halo, you fanboy.
-Frustratingly repetitive level design.
-It's very stingy with ammo.
-It might be realistic, but I don't like only being allowed to carry two weapons.
-The AI is, as Yahtzee put it, "pants on head retarded"
-Master Chief is completely unrelatable.
-The Flood is basically a ripoff of the headcrabs in Half-Life
HAPPY? THAT'S why we bloody hate Halo.

Uh you do realize halo came before metroid prime? Moron. How are the headcrabs anything like the flood?

Just because you did not like the post does not mean you should insult the person who made the post. That is what gets people into trouble here.

On Topic: It all basically boils down to opinion. Some people like Halo and some people don't like Halo. I don't understand why it is such a big deal if a lot of people hate a game. As I said before it all boils down to opinions.

 

[Assassin Xaero]

If halo didn't exist, then the xbox would not exist which means we would probably not have most of the 360 exclusives we know today. ex: gears of war,crackdown,and a bunch of other games I forget.

First off, wrong. They just wouldn't be on xbox.

We might not even have 1st person shooters on a console since halo was the first console shooter that worked right.

... pfft... hahaha. That is a good one. Sorry, but once again you are wrong. Why?

Spoiler: This is why.

And after that I stopped reading. Halo is just another generic shooter which was decent, but then the overhype came into play and it took it from decent to shit (not to mention the Library and how Halo 2, 3, ODST, and Reach just look like mods [if that] of Halo CE). Plus, half the Halo fanboys out there are morons. I was at a "halo night" one night (>_>) and we were all bored after an hour or two and I said we should play CoD4, and the guy next to me said "Dude, it's Halo!". And that was his reason for why it was the greatest game ever.

 

[Funkysandwich]

We might not even have 1st person shooters on a console since halo was the first console shooter that worked right.

This is actually the one claim that i cant stand. I will always give Goldeneye for the N64 credit for really laying out the foundation for console shooters.

Edit: Aww ninja'd

Halo helped make the xbox what it is today. Golden eye did not really help make the wii famous when it first came out.

You are.... INCREDIBLY STUPID.

How old are you?

Yep, that's a fair cop. Can't believe he said that. Goldeneye certainly did sell the NINTENDO SIXTY-FOUR when it came out. As I recall, Goldeneye was one of many great games for the N64 that really sold that console. As well as the Perfect Dark series, which was another classic FPS.

Not to mention the huge pile of FPS's that came out for the PS2 before the Xbox was even released.

I did not say it did not help sell the 64. I said it did not help sell the wii. Check your facts next time.

In what way would a game for the 64 help sell the Wii, considering that the two consoles are two generations apart and are different in almost every single way, other than the fact that they are both from Nintendo.

It's like saying that Windows 98 helped sell the Xbox.

I don't hate Halo, I just hate illogical arguments.

 

[PhoenixVanguard]

I don't particularly hate, Halo...but I don't like playing it, either. It's simply not my kind of game anymore. I used to love it, but last year I just got over it. Why? Because I had a revelation; When I'm playing a first person SHOOTER, the GUNS should actually do significant damage. Having moved on to games Like Red Faction: Guerrilla and even Modern Warfare 2, (Another game I'm not big on.) it bothers me that in Halo, with the exception of a sniper or point blank shotgun, my opponent can still run ten yards before I drop him even if I never miss a head shot. In a SHOOTER, guns should be superior to melee, and more versatile than grenades, yet the vast majority of encounters in Halo boil down to those things.

 

[molesgallus]

Halo was the first xbox game ever.

If halo didn't exist, then the xbox would not exist which means we would probably not have most of the 360 exclusives we know today. ex: gears of war,crackdown,and a bunch of other games I forget.

We might not even have 1st person shooters on a console since halo was the first console shooter that worked right.

Halo is a good all round shooter with an interesting background story.

I am asking why are there suddenly halo haters coming out of no where? When halo 3 was the most played game on xbox live, there was barely any haters in my opinion(at least they were not very obvious). Everybody used to praise halo for it's awesome multiplayer,single player, and awesome main character in the form of Master chief. Then suddenly after modern warfare 2 comes out, the forums are filled with people hating on halo. Come on people! Just because halo 3 is not the most played game on xbox live anymore doesn't mean that we are supposed to hate on it. Halo 3 is still the 2nd most played game on xbox live anyway.Halo 2 was the most played game on original xbox until it got shutdown. Modern warfare 2 might not exist without halo! Hopefully when halo reach comes out,this hate will come to an end. This is just my opinion though.

So what do you have to say about this?

Also no, I am not a halo fanboy, I'm just sick of all the haters and I'm wondering why they decided to attack halo now.

Halo has got more praise than it deserved. It's a s simple as that. It's a mediocre shooter.

It's only so popular because of the network effect. i.e your friends got it, so you want it, to play with them. Then your friends want it, and so on... I own it for this reason. And I play it often. But not because it's a good game. Hence, the hate.

 

[Bloodysoldier]

If I may state;
Jet Force Gemini, could halo be a spin-off!? (rhetorical)

Do not forget JFG!