Why all the hate on Hearthfire?

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TaintedSaint

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Its horse armor period, a worthless little thing to spend money on. Find a mod that does the same thing. We can't let companies get away with crap like this anymore.
 

SajuukKhar

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TaintedSaint said:
Its horse armor period, a worthless little thing to spend money on. Find a mod that does the same thing. We can't let companies get away with crap like this anymore.
By that logic shivering Isles is horse armor also.
 

PrimitiveJudge

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cause we have to pay for 50 GP and for crap that will not make a difference to anyone if you cannot show off your crap online.. seems like it promotes to happiness for people who are forever alone or sad.


*sorry if I offended any one*
 

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SajuukKhar said:
Its great to know then that HEarthfire isn't just one thing like horse armor.

It adds
-13 new NPCs
OH BOY! NPCs! Skyrim was sure suffering a real NPC shortage. Not even mods could fix that.

SajuukKhar said:
-27 different houses that you can make in 3 locations
There's over 1000 Mods filed under 'Player Homes' on Skyrim Nexus.

SajuukKhar said:
-Many new food items and recipes
-New marriage and adoption features along with a slew of new actions that our wife/child can do.
We're talking about Skyrim, right? Or are we talking about The Sims 3?

SajuukKhar said:
-New pets including foxes, frostbite spiders, mudcrabs, rabbits, and skeevers.
No pet shall ever match THIS!

SajuukKhar said:
Hearthfire has enough house combinations to equal to 27 different house mods.
Again... Over 1000... All of them free...

SajuukKhar said:
Also, all those mods you linked to, don't offer anywhere near the same level of customization as Hearthfire does.
One is an Airship. Lets see Hearthfire do THAT!
 

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SajuukKhar said:
It adds
-13 new NPCs
-27 different houses that you can make in 3 locations
-Many new food items and recipes
-New marriage and adoption features along with a slew of new actions that our wife/child can do.
-New pets including foxes, frostbite spiders, mudcrabs, rabbits, and skeevers.

Hearthfire has enough house combinations to equal to 27 different house mods.

Also, all those mods you linked to, don't offer anywhere near the same level of customization as Hearthfire does.
Because information like this is often not mentioned when talking about it. Until I read that I basically thought of it as a basic house mod. Then again I never commented on it because I didn't really know much about it.

Part of the problem might be that people want DLCs to be things like new skill trees, new and interesting locations with proper voice acting, polished content that's hard to do with mods.
Like the marriage and adoption things, pets and whatnot. Sure, it could all be done with a mod, but a house mod that extensive hasn't been made as far as I know and even if someone had made one I doubt it would be as polished and bug-free. So in my eyes it's a perfectly fine DLC, I'd buy it if I still found Skyrim interesting.

Edit:
I see people linking a bunch of mods, and you can probably replicate something similar if you put a bunch of mods together but that comes with it's own bucket of trouble. And you can't do that on Xbox or PS3, the consoles the game was pretty much made for.
As for marriage and adoption features not being "action-y" enough; TES games have never been all about being an action game you thunder your way through like.. Idunno, KoA: Reckoning? You can thunder through it and it's still fun, but the people who do that won't be interested in a house DLC in the first place.
 

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i am not interested in adopting children and i don't need a house, i already own a a super villain lair

l33tness08 said:
I think it's great. It's 5 bucks, so it costs next to nothing and I had no qualms about buying it.

I am not a modder. I do not know how to mod, I do not want to learn how to mod, so please, pull your infantile, entitled head in, and go back and play your OMGSUPER1337 MODDED SKYRIM.

Honestly, I just get the impression that if you don't mod the elder scrolls, you are a fucking n00b and should just cease.

It's good, I like it.
if you play on PC anyway why would you not mod at all?
and i don't mean big mods that add skilltrees and change the way magic works and potentially fuck up your game but small things like a better inventory. and no, it's not hard, it's downloading a file and ticking a box.
 

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T_ConX said:
And again, by that logic, not even a 40+ hour expansion full of new skill trees, new weapons, new armor, and hundreds of new NPCs, is worth buying because "MODS CAN DO IT FOR FREE"

The fact of the matter is mods can do EVERYTHING for free, but that doesn't make buying DLC pointless because DLC always has a higher quality then mods.

And indeed Hearthfire does have a higher quality then the vast majority of house mods because it actually looks like it belong in the game world, and it offers more customization then even the build your own house mod does.

Using your logic there is quite literally absolutely nothing Bethesda can make that is worth buying because mods can do it for free, not even an expansion that contained 4 times the content of shivering Isles would be worth it because you could get more with mods.

Its absurd, and idiotic, used only by people who have absolutely no other argument left and so have to use the one that is so broken the wreckage of it can be spotted 100 miles off.
 

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Wait, seriously? It's only five bucks? I thought it would be more expensive, so I hadn't given it much thought.

...done, bought it.

SajuukKhar said:
Its great to know then that HEarthfire isn't just one thing like horse armor.

It adds
-13 new NPCs
-27 different houses that you can make in 3 locations
-Many new food items and recipes
-New marriage and adoption features along with a slew of new actions that our wife/child can do.
-New pets including foxes, frostbite spiders, mudcrabs, rabbits, and skeevers.

Hearthfire has enough house combinations to equal to 27 different house mods.
That sounds awesome, honestly. Even the cooking part.

PrimitiveJudge said:
cause we have to pay for 50 GP and for crap that will not make a difference to anyone if you cannot show off your crap online.. seems like it promotes to happiness for people who are forever alone or sad.


*sorry if I offended any one*
Eh, not offended. I know tastes differ.

However, considering this kind of thing is more-or-less what I've been doing in Terraria for the past three weeks (single-player), it's right up my alley. I was a bit disappointed in the vanilla game that I couldn't have a house in Morthal, or that my favorite house design-wise was in Riften with all the thieves...
 

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NeutralDrow said:
That sounds awesome, honestly. Even the cooking part.
You can hire bards, and carriage drivers for your house.

Yeah, you get your own personal carriage driver who sits outside your house waiting for you to tell him where you want to go, and they can not only take you to the nine major towns, but all the settlements, such as roriksted and dragon bridge, as well, they expanded the carriage driver destination list.

Bake some garlic bread and apple dumplings in my house while I am at it.
 

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SajuukKhar said:
NeutralDrow said:
That sounds awesome, honestly. Even the cooking part.
You can hire bards, and carriage drivers for your house.

Yeah, you get your own personal carriage driver who sits outside your house waiting for you to tell him where you want to go, and they can not only take you to the nine major towns, but all the settlements, such as roriksted and dragon bridge, as well, they expanded the carriage driver destination list.
Eh, I sorta like using my own feet anyway, and I'm not really interested in emulating the rich. Maybe this was a mista--

Bake some garlic bread
Hell to the f*** yes, never mind, I have a new signature recipe!

It will be nice to carry around cooked food that's not venison stew and elsywer fondue...
 

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Most likely because the new DLC is simply a prettier and bigger version of the old
Horse Armor DLC, and not anything significant at all to the stories of Skyrim.
 

SajuukKhar

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NeutralDrow said:
Bake some garlic bread
Hell to the f*** yes, never mind, I have a new signature recipe!

It will be nice to carry around cooked food that's not venison stew and elsywer fondue...
You can also make

Apple Dumplings, Braided Bread, Chicken Dumplings, Clam Chowder, Garlic Bread, Jazbay Crostatas, Juniper Berry Crostatas, Lavender Dumplings, Potato Bread, Potato Soup, Snowberry Crostatas, and Steamed Mudcrab Legs.

They also added milk, butter, and flour, all of which can be eaten by themselves or used in cooking food.

Ohh and those grain mill wheel things at farms that had no purpose before can now be used to smash wheat into flour.

And if you buy a cow it makes milk that gets added to your kitchen, assuming you build the kitchen wing.
 

PrimitiveJudge

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NeutralDrow said:
Wait, seriously? It's only five bucks? I thought it would be more expensive, so I hadn't given it much thought.

...done, bought it.

SajuukKhar said:
Its great to know then that HEarthfire isn't just one thing like horse armor.

It adds
-13 new NPCs
-27 different houses that you can make in 3 locations
-Many new food items and recipes
-New marriage and adoption features along with a slew of new actions that our wife/child can do.
-New pets including foxes, frostbite spiders, mudcrabs, rabbits, and skeevers.

Hearthfire has enough house combinations to equal to 27 different house mods.
That sounds awesome, honestly. Even the cooking part.

PrimitiveJudge said:
cause we have to pay for 50 GP and for crap that will not make a difference to anyone if you cannot show off your crap online.. seems like it promotes to happiness for people who are forever alone or sad.


*sorry if I offended any one*
Eh, not offended. I know tastes differ.

However, considering this kind of thing is more-or-less what I've been doing in Terraria for the past three weeks (single-player), it's right up my alley. I was a bit disappointed in the vanilla game that I couldn't have a house in Morthal, or that my favorite house design-wise was in Riften with all the thieves...
I was just feeding what people ***** about, and I half agree with myself, how ever it is a fun game and I enjoy it no matter what, unless they put gnomes in it, then I am done. will follow TES to the end of time and all DLC's.
 

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SajuukKhar said:
And again, by that logic, not even a 40+ hour expansion full of new skill trees, new weapons, new armor, and hundreds of new NPCs, is worth buying because "MODS CAN DO IT FOR FREE"
Well, if it was reasonably priced. I mean, I haven't bought Dawnguard yet for that exact reason...

SajuukKhar said:
The fact of the matter is mods can do EVERYTHING for free, but that doesn't make buying DLC pointless because DLC always has a higher quality then mods.
You're right. Hearthfire is so high quality that modders didn't need to make an Unofficial Hearthfire Patch for it!

SajuukKhar said:
And indeed Hearthfire does have a higher quality then the vast majority of house mods because it actually looks like it belong in the game world, and it offers more customization then even the build your own house mod does.

Using your logic there is quite literally absolutely nothing Bethesda can make that is worth buying because mods can do it for free, not even an expansion that contained 4 times the content of shivering Isles would be worth it because you could get more with mods.
You are absolutely right! Why pay for DLC when Modders are doing stuff like this for FREE:


SajuukKhar said:
Its absurd, and idiotic, used only by people who have absolutely no other argument left and so have to use the one that is so broken the wreckage of it can be spotted 100 miles off.
It's the only argument I need! Mods are like DLC, but there's more of it, it does things DLC could never do, and it's always free.

I get it man. You bought the XBox360 version. You will never experience the jot of riding a My Little Pony across Skyrim while the light of a Justin Bieber Moon guides you to your AIRSHIP HOUSE! NOPE! Not for you! You get to pay $5 for a slightly customization house with a pet mudcrab.

No one... EVER! said:
I would like a pet mudcrab.
And even then, my mudcrabs are still better than yours.
 

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the hate i believe comes from the fact that this update is somewhat useless to the pc gaming elite, the mods can do what hearthfire can do, save for some of the mechanics.

so who was this dlc really for? gasp the feeble console peasantry who is more or less dependent on Beth for extra content, for them hearthfire adds just a little of what pc modding has done to the games expansion.
I guess the rage comes from Bethesda throwing the commoners a bone to chew on, but have dared to also present it to the pc master race as well, knowing full well that we already have crafted several bones of varying shapes and sizes to chew on.

btw i play on the pc myself, and i suppose my fellow 1%ers are bemused by the idea of content redistribution and any kind of aid from bethesda in making consoles an option.

(FYI- if you hadn't already guessed the post was very sarcastic)

i dont mind hearthfire, but as stated in a less sober way, it makes no sense for me as a pc gamer to get it since it offers very little content in comparison to what is available through the nexus. the only thing i dont understand is why it isn't cheaper, while it only truly appeals to the console demographic, i must admit if it had been 3? cheaper i would have bought it anyway simply for the sake of having it, but thats just me.

and in terms of addition it adds very little to the game, unless you like playing the sims in pseudo scandinavia viking land. i would have like there to have been some something actually game changing in hearthfire. Perhaps a needs option that makes food and sleep a necessity, i know there are mods that do this, but they are often unstable and heavily scripted.

it would have been better if hearthfire offered something unique and practical for gameplay, the dlc as it is, does little more than add to superficial role playing element, that has little or no impact on your game or your method of playing ir.
 

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O maestre said:
so who was this dlc really for?
Bethesda said several times before the game came out that the DLC would be focused on improving things in the game, unlike the Morrowind, Oblivion, and Fallout 3 DLC which just added new things in the game.

Hearthfire was made so that Bethesda could show people, yes, we know our previous system of "buy a pre-made house, and then buy pre-made room packs with literally no level of customization" sucked balls.

Dawnguard was about improving Vampires and Werewolves, which sucked in the base game, and improving archery by adding the crossbow, and making arrows/bolts craftable.

Hearthfire is an improvement on housing in all directions, marriage, with the addition of adoption, along with some improvements to cooking.

The next Skyrim DLC is going to work along the lines of the previous ones, they are going to take mechanics people said sucked in the base game, and make them less shitty.

Instead of just making DLc that adds more to the game, which is what most DLC for most games is, they are trying to make the game itself better by improving existing stuff.
 

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because they don't like it maybe? i mean is it really that hard to come to the conclusion that some people hate something because they well hate it?

seems quite simple.
 

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SajuukKhar said:
TaintedSaint said:
Its horse armor period, a worthless little thing to spend money on. Find a mod that does the same thing. We can't let companies get away with crap like this anymore.
By that logic shivering Isles is horse armor also.
Not even a little bit. The amount of words you're stuffing into people's mouths in this thread is hilariously sad.

You keep telling them what they're saying, and it doesn't add up at all with what they're actually saying.

Oh no! They don't feel like dropping almost a tenth of the price of the game on a hundredth of the content! Better talk about how entitled they are! They didn't want to buy it. Deal with it and move on.
 

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O maestre said:
PS3 didn't even get it. So...your logic is bunk. First they should try to make a working product for half the consoles they release the game for.

Playing FO3 and New Vegas (I know that was Obsidian but they published it) was a maddeningly horrid experience. I never finished New Vegas because it was so godawfully broken.