I find the Sorceress aesthetically pleasing and in no way stupid at all, and the Elf is realistically proportioned, the reason a lot of media has women with huge tracks of land is because a lot of men (my self included) find that hot, we all have our own sexual quirks like I can not find tanned women sexy at all but a lot of people do. So just life with the fact that a good number of people do in fact like that something you do not about a particular character.lacktheknack said:
Why Am I A Bad Person For Like Large Breasts And Sexy Nuns?
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You're not a bad person. I like big breasts, too! Men and women like breasts!
I like Dragon's Crown art, too.
As for the AssassiNuns it might be offensive on a religious level more than anything. I'm not that religious to be bothered, personally, but I know people who might be.
I like Dragon's Crown art, too.
As for the AssassiNuns it might be offensive on a religious level more than anything. I'm not that religious to be bothered, personally, but I know people who might be.
Bit cartoony, but BEHOLD!! "Mount your friends!"sweetylnumb said:
http://youtu.be/g_3aNnKo_zc
Cartoony muscley men with flailing dicks that grapple eachother in an effort to come out on top.
I won't feel bad if it's not sufficient to change anything, but it seems worth mentioning since you brought it up. For the comedy if anything.
Wait, isn't that a false comparison? Genitalia and mammary glands are two completely different entities. Wouldn't the proper comparison be between male genitalia and female genitalia or female breasts and male breasts? Of the former, I've only seen one example in games (male nudity in GTA IV) and of the latter I've seen considerable more exposed male pectorals than I've seen exposed female breasts in games.sweetylnumb said:
If sexy stripper nuns in itself was the problem, people would have lost their shit over Saints Row the Third. They didn't. It has to do with the context of the characters just randomly stripping their habits.
And even that evil Anita Sarkeesian says that enjoying questionable material doesn't make someone bad, so obviously it's okay.
Anyway, plenty of reasons you could have that avatar. So it's cool you explained, as it's not a given.
And even that evil Anita Sarkeesian says that enjoying questionable material doesn't make someone bad, so obviously it's okay.
But by that logic, I find green-haired men who look like women to be attra....Okay, bad example.Maxtro said:
Anyway, plenty of reasons you could have that avatar. So it's cool you explained, as it's not a given.
As one of the few men who will admit to buying Rumble Roses XX (it's actually a good game for the most part) it's normal. To me sexualization in games (women with unrealistic proportions or doing things in outfits that don't cover much) is just another reason to enjoy the game. On one hand I enjoy games like Empire Total War for the deep strategic enjoyment, then I might play Rumble Roses XX because it makes another part of me feel good.
As for that muscle woman figurine, I'm a fan of women with muscle and they did a horrible job on that. There are women like Monica Mowi (my personal fave) and they look nothing like that, they have the muscle but those hip bones look like they're gonna break through her skin. Also due to the fact that breasts are largely fat those would have to be fake due to the low amount of fat present in her body.
As for that muscle woman figurine, I'm a fan of women with muscle and they did a horrible job on that. There are women like Monica Mowi (my personal fave) and they look nothing like that, they have the muscle but those hip bones look like they're gonna break through her skin. Also due to the fact that breasts are largely fat those would have to be fake due to the low amount of fat present in her body.
Rebel_Raven said:Bit cartoony, but BEHOLD!! "Mount your friends!"sweetylnumb said:
http://youtu.be/g_3aNnKo_zc
Cartoony muscley men with flailing dicks that grapple eachother in an effort to come out on top.
I won't feel bad if it's not sufficient to change anything, but it seems worth mentioning since you brought it up. For the comedy if anything.
I was more comparing it to how women s breasts poke out and are grossly exaggerated, dicks literally poking out of thier pants is more like porn
But keen! NoeL said:
Thank you! i was going to say that's like saying "I want a decent meal" to a take out resturont, and them telling you "well, go make it yourself!" They should be trying to fulfill my desires, therefore take my money!
No, just no, Male pectoral muscles aren't even close to the same thing as exposed female breasts, unfortunately there is no real close equivalent on the male body to the sexuality implied by breasts. Male pectorals are closer to an exposed midriff on a female, while breasts are pretty much right below genitalia on the list of things that imply sexuality.Austin Manning said:
The closest comparison for a male would be something like tight fitting pants that expose the girth or size of the male genitalia, since that also has no real opposite gender equivalent (camel toe is usually something joked about rather than being seen as sexy). An exposed or revealing butt (such as a thong or speedoes) might also qualify as close, it's usually seen as sexy in both genders and is a lot closer to the implied sexuality of female breasts (or at least a hell of a lot closer than a male chest.
There is no exact comparison between men and women when it comes to breasts, so there's no real way to compare the titillation of exposed cleavage versus anything on the male body. It shouldn't be a 1 to 1 comparison anyway since the general idea is to encourage developers to rely on using oversexualization as a crutch less often, not just to find some kind of female appeal alternative.
With all due respect, whenever I see people saying this I get reminded why I don't play modern mainstream games, which is where that opinion that all games have shitty writing comes from. No where else. It's not like the entire Tales series, Earthbound, Myst, Final Fantasy 6, 9 and 10, Portal 1 and 2, Chrono Trigger, the MGS series, Persona, SMT, No More Heroes, Fire Emblem and dozens of other games and series have just vanished.erttheking said:
Writing in this medium only looks bad when people talk about AAA title on HD consoles and PC as far as I can tell.
It's like looking at summer block buster movies and saying 'this must be the best writing movies are capable of'.
I didnt think the sorceress' character was a big deal, at least not if youre going to say its alright for the knight and dwarf to run around looking like they do. Say what you want about how women are represented in games (I know its generally not very well) but it doesnt make it right say because the game will have a largely predominant gender audience that that gender characters can look they way they do because its the typical body fantasy.
I think as long as youre not saying all women have to look like that, or at least can admit that you like other designs where they arent competely disproportionate, then you're fine. and if not, then eh, who cares. as long as youre not putting someone down in real life for not looking like that and separating games from life then what should people care.
I think as long as youre not saying all women have to look like that, or at least can admit that you like other designs where they arent competely disproportionate, then you're fine. and if not, then eh, who cares. as long as youre not putting someone down in real life for not looking like that and separating games from life then what should people care.
Oh thank god, I am not the only one who things the "writing in games is so much worse than everything else!" is a crock of crap. I had seriously wondered if anyone, anywhere else had ever thought of this point besides me.Overusedname said:
sweetylnumb said:Rebel_Raven said:Bit cartoony, but BEHOLD!! "Mount your friends!"sweetylnumb said:
http://youtu.be/g_3aNnKo_zc
Cartoony muscley men with flailing dicks that grapple eachother in an effort to come out on top.
I won't feel bad if it's not sufficient to change anything, but it seems worth mentioning since you brought it up. For the comedy if anything.
I was more comparing it to how women s breasts poke out and are grossly exaggerated, dicks literally poking out of thier pants is more like pornYeah, I got that impression. It's just the talk of muscles and flailing genitals got me thinking about that game.
Honestly I'm in a weird position on sexual appearances on women. I like it, but there's obvious limits on what I think's tasteful. Sex sells, but too much of a good thing is a bad thing, I'd say.
Unfortunately there's no way to temper the industry as a whole. They won't check in with eachother to see who's doing what so some make reasonble representations. That said, I'm willing to make some concessions about the T&A factor.
I still pine for women dressed smartly, capable, and brave, that we can call possibly call rolemodels to become better known, and more common in modern media, though. We definitely need to see more than a few this decade.
We definitely need more female protagionists in general. I'd like a variety of them.
You are not a bad person if you like these things. You are a bad person if you believe these sorts of things are how all woman should be in real life.Silverblade said:
Personally I feel the boobs, especially the sorceress', are actually satire calling to light the "mandatory" requirements for female casters to have their boobs hanging out all over the place. I mean when they have separate physics engines for each one...
Sorry, got distracted. They... um... Yes, satire.
Rebel_Raven said:sweetylnumb said:Rebel_Raven said:Bit cartoony, but BEHOLD!! "Mount your friends!"sweetylnumb said:
http://youtu.be/g_3aNnKo_zc
Cartoony muscley men with flailing dicks that grapple eachother in an effort to come out on top.
I won't feel bad if it's not sufficient to change anything, but it seems worth mentioning since you brought it up. For the comedy if anything.
I was more comparing it to how women s breasts poke out and are grossly exaggerated, dicks literally poking out of thier pants is more like porni tottaly agree! unlike Anita sarkesian, i'm not against women being sexy or violent or anything. However it annoys me when boob laden idiots are all we see of women, or the few female protagonists (which male gamers seem intent on holding up as the proof that gender issues dont exist) that are actually good, also happen to be gorgeous and perfect otherwise. Its just a hard standard to live up to and insulting at best. Variety is the spice of life! and if we could get sexualised men every now and again, thatd feel more inclusive as well.Yeah, I got that impression. It's just the talk of muscles and flailing genitals got me thinking about that game.
Honestly I'm in a weird position on sexual appearances on women. I like it, but there's obvious limits on what I think's tasteful. Sex sells, but too much of a good thing is a bad thing, I'd say.
Unfortunately there's no way to temper the industry as a whole. They won't check in with eachother to see who's doing what so some make reasonble representations. That said, I'm willing to make some concessions about the T&A factor.
I still pine for women dressed smartly, capable, and brave, that we can call possibly call rolemodels to become better known, and more common in modern media, though. We definitely need to see more than a few this decade.
We definitely need more female protagionists in general. I'd like a variety of them.
I don't think that anyone is saying that people who get turned on by video game player models are immoral. The sexism issue is always a general rather than a specific problem.
The Dragon's Crown sorceress is simply the most egregious example of a general trend which is making people (female and male) uncomfortable.
Bayonetta and Dragon's Crown are an attempt to have your cake and eat it too, talk about being ironic all you want but you are still trying to market the game to men who will be erect the majority of the time they play. It's embarrassing to other people who want to play the game without distracting fan service.
In another context, where scantily clad female characters was the exemption rather than the norm Bayonetta and Dragon's Crown would even be an issue. The sexualisation would be funny rather than creepy.
The Dragon's Crown sorceress is simply the most egregious example of a general trend which is making people (female and male) uncomfortable.
Bayonetta and Dragon's Crown are an attempt to have your cake and eat it too, talk about being ironic all you want but you are still trying to market the game to men who will be erect the majority of the time they play. It's embarrassing to other people who want to play the game without distracting fan service.
In another context, where scantily clad female characters was the exemption rather than the norm Bayonetta and Dragon's Crown would even be an issue. The sexualisation would be funny rather than creepy.
There is nothing really wrong with these characters designs, but they are seen as quite trashy by the average person. There is nothing wrong with making a trashy game that appeals to the lowest common denominator, be it exaggerated sexual traits or crass senseless violence. However, people are going label it as a "lesser" form of entertainment. If a movie somehow featured characters with such oversized breasts, most people would write it off as a really bad porno before learning much about it.
As a medium, video games are highly criticized by the general public and titles like Dragon's Crown serve to confirm many negative stereotypes surrounding gamers. Many gamers don't give a shit what anyone has to think of them but others want to see their medium grow and be taken more seriously. Too many games, even those highly acclaimed, feature one-dimensional female characters whose main purpose is to provide sex appeal. I would argue that most gamers who have passed puberty don't really appreciate such a juvenile perception of women and sexuality when trying to explore a more serious narrative or world. There is a time and place for everything. Ms. Tits McGee is an immersion breaker for games that are not marketed as softcore porn or parody. Perhaps Dragon's Crown has been marketed as a bit of both, but people have become quite sensitive to this issue so it was bound to receive some flak. Many are just getting sick of this sort of thing being so prevalent in the gaming industry. Time to grow up a bit.
As a medium, video games are highly criticized by the general public and titles like Dragon's Crown serve to confirm many negative stereotypes surrounding gamers. Many gamers don't give a shit what anyone has to think of them but others want to see their medium grow and be taken more seriously. Too many games, even those highly acclaimed, feature one-dimensional female characters whose main purpose is to provide sex appeal. I would argue that most gamers who have passed puberty don't really appreciate such a juvenile perception of women and sexuality when trying to explore a more serious narrative or world. There is a time and place for everything. Ms. Tits McGee is an immersion breaker for games that are not marketed as softcore porn or parody. Perhaps Dragon's Crown has been marketed as a bit of both, but people have become quite sensitive to this issue so it was bound to receive some flak. Many are just getting sick of this sort of thing being so prevalent in the gaming industry. Time to grow up a bit.