Why am I never allowed to side with the bad guy?

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Dan Dairam

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You're given the option of siding with the antagonist of Breath of Fire IV right before the final fight. You (the protagonist and the player) don't get much out of it other than fighting your now former party members instead of the good-end final boss. It's still a nice option, especially as the antagonist was far more of an anti-hero than a true villain.
 

Atrocious Joystick

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Plenty of games allow you to side the big bad. Mostly RPGS, though it's almost always laughably badly done, in my opinion. This big bad from beyond time has been trying to kill you every step of the way, burned your village and raped your mom, and he offers you to join him. Is there anyone no matter how evil that would actually take him up on his offer?

I think Singularity actually has one of the best endings, you are constantly hinted to by your (past/future?) self that this can't be fixed. It makes sense that you would try to just go with it and make the best of the situation.
 

Muspelheim

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Furthermore, if you joined the bad guys, then they wouldn't be the bad guys from your perspective anymore, would they?
 

darth.pixie

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You can in most RPGs but it's usually neither logical nor normal. They usually do something to antagonize you in particular. You don't necessarily want the good side to win, you want that dude to die. If you have no reason to want that guy dead, it's just poor motivation writing.
If they offer you a chance at evil, it's usually clumsily shoved in. One such option was in NWN 2 where the evil option didn't even make much sense even for an evil character.

What RPGs have you been playing?
 

LiliumSnow

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Because the bad-guys eat puppy-dogs for breakfast while watching an orphanage burn down 8I.
*immediately gets sent to Hell*

But anyway, the RPGs I play (Dragon Age, Mass Effect, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fallout 3), while they won't let you join the Big Bad, allow you to do pretty evil things (I mean, some might consider the Dark Brotherhood to be evil). Or you can play the entire game as a complete asshole. Same same, but different 83.

(And if my grammar and spelling look like crap in this post, it's because it's 5 am here and I probably should go to bed :'D)
 

Swimfan

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Overlord has been pretty sweet and funny back then - although it used like any excisting cliché there is :p

I know what you mean but being the good guy explains why the story line arises while you still have to train your way to the top. And just by the way: There are many many games in which you can earn a "bad ending" which comes almost close to accept the villian's offering.
 

Foxpack1

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Dandark said:
It would take a long time to script all the options although it can be done and Bioware has previously had things like that in their games.
Possible spoliers below


In KOTOR I think you could join the evil empire.
In Kotor you can take over the sith from Malak and use the star forge to conquer the galaxy.
 

Arkley

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Because - and I realise a lot of people are going to object to this when I say it - the games are trying to tell you a story. Video games are a valid and indeed a brilliant medium for storytelling. Just because they (and RPGs in particular) allow you a drastic degree of control over what goes on in the story doesn't mean that the story can't - or even shouldn't - be pre-written to some degree.

This is why, for example, Shepard can't join the Reapers. It isn't a story about some space-dwelling fellow who joins the evil invaders, it's a story about a heroic man who goes to war with evil invaders in an attempt to save the universe. You might get to decide what kind of hero he is, how he goes about his attempts to save the universe and even whether he is ultimately successful, but the story is the story. You decide how it is told, you don't get to rewrite the entire plot.

Lastly, it's just not feasible. A game with a huge sprawling world about a guy fighting against a big bad is so much different than a game in which you're working for the big bad. All the missions, dialogue and stuff have to be entirely different. It means making two games (albeit with mostly the same assets) when most players are only going to see one of said games.

Plus, it basically begs replays to see both potential tales, but the idea of signing up for the enemy's team when you meet him could make that kind of a chore. You're going to have to replay everything else up 'till that point. And it's not like you can just spring the choice on your character near the beginning of the game. If they don't know the game's lore, information on the enemy and his motivations and goals, if they haven't had a chance to hear out the opposite side, to see and get to know the world and the people that will be affected by the choice, how are they supposed to make a meaningful decision? So you're going to have to slog through about half the game again. And it's not like you can have (m)any meaningful decisions before that point either, since a big change-up like joining the villain half-way through the game is going to change everything thereafter.

It just isn't really doable on both a technical level and from the perspective of the storyteller.
 

Torrasque

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In Ogre Battle 64, if you are not enough of a nice guy when fighting the big bad, the world will view you as the big bad when you finally get around to saving it. In Kingdom Under Fire, there are several campaigns where you are the big bad. Same goes for Starcraft and Enclave.
A better question would be: "why havn't you played these games?"
 

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I remember that at Oblivion i had a quest in witch I had to infiltrate to the "Mythic Dawn" and steal the "Mystirium Xraxis" or something like that and stop them. But i was denied the option to actually join the because they really did accepted me (thats how I could seal the book). Why can't i join Mehrunes Dagon?!!! WHY!!!????
 

Wintermoot

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the original Fallout,s allows you to kill kids (you can become a child murdering pornj star in FO2)
FO3 also have evil options (like nuking a pretty much innocent town)
NV has more of a moral grey area.
in Overlord you start as the big bad.
 

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Gabriela D. said:
In Jade Empire, ...... no. Wait. You get killed if you accept to stand down. Never mind.
probably why most games don't even bother, you would just be killed as soon as you let your guard down :p
 

EvilMaggot

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If i can be evil or join the evil side in a game... ill do it in a heartbeat! :D hate that goody goody stuff...
 

Palademon

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In fable 3 at the end you either keep your promises or listen to the biggest evilest bastard for advice, like turning the orphanage into a brothel...a really crappy brothel.
 

Guffe

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yeah, I would also like to be bad guy sometimes.
We have heroes who seem to be a bit bad but they never are evil bad.
sucks...
 

beniki

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Radiata Stories... you could choose between the human and non-human factions. Both weren't necessarily evil.

Tachyon: The Fringe. You could join the big evil corporation (Spanners foerever!) instead of the noble rebels (Bora scum!)

Most DnD based games...

Most of the older Star Wars games. Light side and Dark side choices were integral to the Dark Forces series.

There are games out there, but sometimes if you side with the bad guy then the conflict just evaporates, and the game is over. I remember in Fahrenheit where my friend literally gave up on the last few choices. He didn't have to fight an end boss, nothing was resolved, and the ending cut scene was just a bleak acceptance of failure.
 

Pebkio

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Never really bothered me so much... except in Morrowind. After learning two "truths" and hashing it all together, all I wanted to do, my first playthrough anyway, was to join the big bad.

...sometimes I still do, just in a different ways...\

And yes, I know there was that mod to join the sixth house. Not the same, especially knowing the final conversation you have with said big bad.
 

Ddgafd

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beniki said:
Tachyon: The Fringe. You could join the big evil corporation (Spanners foerever!) instead of the noble rebels (Bora scum!)
I always liked playing for GalSpan. The weapons and the missions are better in my opinion.

OT: I've always wanted a game where you work for the bad guys exclusively. There's just something fun in being a douche towards everyone you meet.