Why are 'casual' games bad?

[ProfessorLayton]

More casual gamers = more casual games. If a buttload of people buy games like Wiisports resort, developers realize that they can make a mint with half the effort. So they begin to churn out easier, less inovative games because they know casual gamers will buy them. They continue to milk the cash cow and begin to reach out to more famous titles as they seek even more money. Soon, bastardized versions of our most beloved characters reach the market in games easy enough for Hellen Kellar to beat.

So to put it simply, casual games and gamers corrupt the market from within and generally screw things up for the rest of us.

Does that answer your question?

I was actually going to post something nearly exactly like this. You are completely right. That's why movie based games are continuing to be made. Nearly all of them get terrible ratings, but they're keep being made. Why? Because little kids and casual gamers buy them. They know nothing of the game, they just recognize the characters on the front so they want it. And when people are busy making movie based games in a month while putting no effort into it at all, they could be making the next masterpiece. In fact, a lot of those designers and workers are very talented people but their talent is being abused for money.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

Because people = stupid. nuff said.

 

[Fodogz]

More casual gamers = more casual games. If a buttload of people buy games like Wiisports resort, developers realize that they can make a mint with half the effort. So they begin to churn out easier, less inovative games because they know casual gamers will buy them. They continue to milk the cash cow and begin to reach out to more famous titles as they seek even more money. Soon, bastardized versions of our most beloved characters reach the market in games easy enough for Hellen Kellar to beat.

So to put it simply, casual games and gamers corrupt the market from within and generally screw things up for the rest of us.

Does that answer your question?

"kill all casual gamer terrorist for they caused the economy to crash, two headed babies to be born, and for my life to become insecure due to the fact that they... they beat me in peggle, dammit!"

I'm just assuming that's what you meant. An assumption from an "underground" gamer. (works with Bin Ladenbama)

 

[Pyode]

I think it's more of a dedication thing. I worked my ass off to beat Lost Planet on the hardest difficulty. I poured too many hours to count into playing every Resident Evil game. I've probably killed literally millions of zombies, Nazis, aliens, terrorist, dragons, and god knows what else. I just don't like being thrown in the same group as some dude who hops onto CoD with his frat bros an hour a week.

It's like if I where to say that I liked cars. This it technically true (I have a crush on the new Camaro right now) but I don't' actually know shit about cars. I'm not anywhere close to a true car buff, so it's unfair to the real fans to lump me in with them just because I "like" cars.

It's not about being better or worse, just different.

 

[Fodogz]

Casual games are not a problem. No hatred from me.

Dammit we don't want "No hatred" we want full on heavy metal rage, a full on nerd orgy of hardcore and casual excrement everywhere on your screen to show that you are making a difference dammit!

 

[Jonny49]

Not all casual games are bad, it's just many developers don't put any time/effort into making said games since they're so easy to develop and sell to those who don't have an extensive knowledge of games as "proper" gamers do. Games like Wii Sports is good, Carnival Games...not so much.

 

[DrDeath3191]

More casual gamers = more casual games. If a buttload of people buy games like Wiisports resort, developers realize that they can make a mint with half the effort. So they begin to churn out easier, less inovative games because they know casual gamers will buy them. They continue to milk the cash cow and begin to reach out to more famous titles as they seek even more money. Soon, bastardized versions of our most beloved characters reach the market in games easy enough for Hellen Kellar to beat.

So to put it simply, casual games and gamers corrupt the market from within and generally screw things up for the rest of us.

Does that answer your question?

And yet No More Heroes is getting a sequel, A Boy and His Blob was released and Madworld is not on the 360. I feel that this argument is invalid, since devs have still been attempting to deliver more 'hardcore' games to the system. Next year is going to be especially large with big names like Capcom vs. Tatsunoko and Monster Hunter 3 being exclusives to the console. So there isn't a loss of 'hardcore' games; if anything, they've been increasing in number.

Its when casual gamers call themselves actual gamers is when I get pissed.

Why? What makes them less of a gamer than you?

Its not that I'm better than them in any way. Or that I'm above them.

Its just irritating. I can't explain it.

Like when someone has an opinion on something when they've never experienced it before. Like when someone starts babbling on about a movie/book/game that they've never played before yet they go on like they know all about it.

Sort of like this ****:


She has no clue what the hell she's talking about but she says it anyway to fit in with the crowd.

Its the same when casual gamers start spouting shit about how they're hardcore gamers though all they play is Wii Fit.

I have never heard of anyone making such claims, let alone 'casuals'. I haven't noted 'casuals' discussing why games they haven't played or observed are bad. I'd imagine that they stay in their field of knowledge for the most part when it comes to games. If you have experienced this, it's probably because the person's a douche, not due to their 'casual' nature.

 

[Fodogz]

I think it's more of a dedication thing. I worked my ass off to beat Lost Planet on the hardest difficulty. I poured too many hours to count into playing every Resident Evil game. I've probably killed literally millions of zombies, Nazis, aliens, terrorist, dragons, and god knows what else. I just don't like being thrown in the same group as some dude who hops onto CoD with his frat bros an hour a week.

It's like if I where to say that I liked cars. This it technically true (I have a crush on the new Camaro right now) but I don't' actually know shit about cars. I'm not anywhere close to a true car buff, so it's unfair to the real fans to lump me in with them just because I "like" cars.

It's not about being better or worse, just different.

My only problem with this is that there's a difference between car guys who know how to disassemble and put back together their car. And gamers who know how to press buttons faster, and where all the good sniper rifles are. Sure each takes alot of time, and each leaves you covered in "grease" but really if you want to continue on the segregation of gamers. The full casual gamers equal 3/5 votes in the eyes of game developers. Instead of just lobbing them all into a great pile (Like in the beginning of gaming) and say the mass like fake tennis Give them fake tennis! This is how every other market works it's just now being prominent.

Sorry if the last part is a bit confusing.

 

[Ace of Spades]

They're like cotton candy. Nice, but not very substantial, and you can never have just one handful. I get tired of eating nothing but cotton candy. I want something with a bit more meat to it.

 

[Pyode]

My only problem with this is that there's a difference between car guys who know how to disassemble and put back together their car. And gamers who know how to press buttons faster, and where all the good sniper rifles are. Sure each takes alot of time, and each leaves you covered in "grease" but really if you want to continue on the segregation of gamers. The full casual gamers equal 3/5 votes in the eyes of game developers. Instead of just lobbing them all into a great pile (Like in the beginning of gaming) and say the mass like fake tennis Give them fake tennis! This is how every other market works it's just now being prominent.

Sorry if the last part is a bit confusing.

Well, first of all, being a "hardcore" gamer is a little bit more complicated then "[knowing] how to press buttons faster, and where all the good snipers are."

Also, I never said there was anything wrong with making "casual" games. I myself have been known to pick up the odd causal game every once in a while (I personally loved N+). I just don't want to be lumped into the same group as people who play games casually.

Again, it's not a better or worse thing, just different.

 

[Robert632]

because the gaming media says it's bad.there is no other reason.

 

[Fodogz]

My only problem with this is that there's a difference between car guys who know how to disassemble and put back together their car. And gamers who know how to press buttons faster, and where all the good sniper rifles are. Sure each takes alot of time, and each leaves you covered in "grease" but really if you want to continue on the segregation of gamers. The full casual gamers equal 3/5 votes in the eyes of game developers. Instead of just lobbing them all into a great pile (Like in the beginning of gaming) and say the mass like fake tennis Give them fake tennis! This is how every other market works it's just now being prominent.

Sorry if the last part is a bit confusing.

Well, first of all, being a "hardcore" gamer is a little bit more complicated then "[knowing] how to press buttons faster, and where all the good snipers are."

Also, I never said there was anything wrong with making "casual" games. I myself have been known to pick up the odd causal game every once in a while (I personally loved N+). I just don't want to be lumped into the same group as people who play games casually.

Again, it's not a better or worse thing, just different.

Because it makes you "dirty" it makes you like the commoners. But hey some have sports, cars, jobs other then taking surveys for cash. If you look at this from the view of someone else you see how this sounds. Maybe in the future gamers will be competing at the olympics for the golden inflatable woman. But until then you cannot engage an argument for segregation of the lowers with the highers.

The battle has begun good sir.

 

[SkullCap]

Because people are sh*t. -Yahtzee-

 

[Fodogz]

I know that we're fucking tired of Hardcore vs. Casual threads. However, I have a bit of a bone to pick with the folks who bother to call themselves 'hardcore'. They continually say things like "Nintendo's going to die because they only make casual games!" and "Only idiots and old people like casual games!" While I could go on through the whole spiel about Nintendo being the top provider of 'hardcore' titles on the Wii (generally accepted to be a 'casual' console), but I won't because A) nobody will listen, and B) that isn't what I'm talking about. People assume that a game being 'casual' means that it's bad. Why is that? I like the Wii Sports games, I intend to pick up Wii Fit+ due to the fun I had with the original and I even liked Wii Music (for a few minutes, anyway). What's the problem with 'casual' games? I will accept that there are many bad 'casual' games out there, but there are even more and even worse 'hardcore' games also. So what is the problem?

they are a problem because they LOWER the bar for games, giving us lower quality. if you need an example, play simcity 4 then play simcity societies.

No, don't play simcity at all.

 

[Pyode]

Because it makes you "dirty" it makes you like the commoners. But hey some have sports, cars, jobs other then taking surveys for cash. If you look at this from the view of someone else you see how this sounds. Maybe in the future gamers will be competing at the olympics for the golden inflatable woman. But until then you cannot engage an argument for segregation of the lowers with the highers.

The battle has begun good sir.

First of all, why are you being so condescending to gamers when you are posting on a primarily gaming website. I especially like you comments about the inflatable woman. That's going to go over well.

Second of all, your the one making this "an argument for segregation of the lowers with the highers." I have repeatedly said this has nothing to do with being better or worse, just different. If anything it sounds to me like you are implying that "casual" gamers are better.

Some people like video games, some people like cars, some people like sports, as well as numerous other hobbies. It's not a big deal.

 

[ninjapenguin981]

I think that they're good but it's the fact that they expect us to dish out a large sum of money (same amount as PS2 games IIRC) for a casual game. I pay £5-£10 for some casual games on PSN and have had a lot of fun with them, but that's the thing with casual games, they're casual and therefore I refuse to pay £30 or however much it costs to play a game I'll probably play for a week or so, and then forget about for all eternity.

 

[Fodogz]

I know that we're fucking tired of Hardcore vs. Casual threads. However, I have a bit of a bone to pick with the folks who bother to call themselves 'hardcore'. They continually say things like "Nintendo's going to die because they only make casual games!" and "Only idiots and old people like casual games!" While I could go on through the whole spiel about Nintendo being the top provider of 'hardcore' titles on the Wii (generally accepted to be a 'casual' console), but I won't because A) nobody will listen, and B) that isn't what I'm talking about. People assume that a game being 'casual' means that it's bad. Why is that? I like the Wii Sports games, I intend to pick up Wii Fit+ due to the fun I had with the original and I even liked Wii Music (for a few minutes, anyway). What's the problem with 'casual' games? I will accept that there are many bad 'casual' games out there, but there are even more and even worse 'hardcore' games also. So what is the problem?

they are a problem because they LOWER the bar for games, giving us lower quality. if you need an example, play simcity 4 then play simcity societies.

No, don't play simcity at all.

and why not?

There is low, and there is my form of entertainment is to be a city planner.

 

[DrDeath3191]

I know that we're fucking tired of Hardcore vs. Casual threads. However, I have a bit of a bone to pick with the folks who bother to call themselves 'hardcore'. They continually say things like "Nintendo's going to die because they only make casual games!" and "Only idiots and old people like casual games!" While I could go on through the whole spiel about Nintendo being the top provider of 'hardcore' titles on the Wii (generally accepted to be a 'casual' console), but I won't because A) nobody will listen, and B) that isn't what I'm talking about. People assume that a game being 'casual' means that it's bad. Why is that? I like the Wii Sports games, I intend to pick up Wii Fit+ due to the fun I had with the original and I even liked Wii Music (for a few minutes, anyway). What's the problem with 'casual' games? I will accept that there are many bad 'casual' games out there, but there are even more and even worse 'hardcore' games also. So what is the problem?

they are a problem because they LOWER the bar for games, giving us lower quality. if you need an example, play simcity 4 then play simcity societies.

Is that a problem with casual games, or a problem with that game? I haven't played it, but from what I gather it had a good idea: make SimCity more accessible, but still fun. Just because they failed does not in any way mean that 'casual' games decrease the quality of 'hardcore' ones.