Why are college students against gaming?

[CaptJohnSheridan]

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2018/09/viewpoints-video-games-0830

Is there a culture within gaming that aims to keep the gaming community from being inclusive?

Do we need a female answer to Zelda? Is Horizon Zero Dawn a good solution to this problem? Is FemShep awesome?

It would be stupid to compare modern wars to a war in which galactic civilizations have to fight for survival against a race of homicidal AI cuttlefish.

Why are Republicans hard on video games?
http://www.uncgop.org/staff/

Are Republicans more likely to unaware of the pop culture?

They say human lives are trivialized and justice of a cause and patriotism are separated from a war's brutalities.

Can't we have a war themed game that promotes heroism and good vs evil while not glossing over the brutality of war?

Shouldn't the Republicans be supportive of games that promote heroic military values?

 

[Yoshi178]

they aren't? i went to an Audio Engineering School and the 2 other major studies that they taught there were Film and Video Game Design.

so i have no idea about this "college kids hate games" thing you're on about.

 

[Hades]

The question you're asking and the name of your topic are two entirely different things. The article in question also doesn't really fit in well with those two separate issues either, its just your typical moral panic about video games.

To answer the first question: No, nothing suggest collage students are against gaming. In fact gaming is pretty much part of the mainstream for anyone in that age group.

As for the second question: Of course's there is a group that wants to keep gaming from being inclusive. Haven't you paid attention to that whole Gamergate mess? Now, I'm perfectly willing to take the word of Gamergaters who claim to solely be in it for ''Ethics in games media'', but there's undeniably another stream of Gamergaters who don't agree with that and really are out to protect gaming from those dastardly woman. You can see it right now with Battlefield since I don't buy that the intended audience cares about history, and you can see it with those fools hyperventilating about that kiss from The Last Of Us, or the grumpy reactions to Aloy being an ''ugly'' female main character.

And whatever freak wrote that article can fuck right off. The picture above the article shows a young person but she writes like an extremely old man who still thinks games are a sort of Witchcraft. The moral panic about video games was nonsense decades ago and it remains nonsense to this day.

 

[Hawki]

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2018/09/viewpoints-video-games-0830

This is just an op-ed piece. It has a counterpart (http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2018/08/viewpoint-video-games-0831) on the following page. It's in no way indicative of college students being against games.

Is there a culture within gaming that aims to keep the gaming community from being inclusive?

As a sub-culture? Yes.

Do we need a female answer to Zelda?

Define "need" and "answer." Because on one hand, people should be free to create whatever protagonist they like. On the other, Zelda (the character) is far more dynamic and interesting in more recent games than she was early on in the series, and I'm certainly not complaining about that.

Is Horizon Zero Dawn a good solution to this problem?

No idea.

Is FemShep awesome?

Dunno. I played as M!Shep.

Can't we have a war themed game involves the brutality of war and patriotism?

Medal of Honour, Call of Duty, etc.

Shouldn't the Republicans be supportive of games that promote heroic military values?

No idea. I'm not big on "military values," in as much that military solutions have rarely proven themselves effective in the 21st century, and that I'm iffy on games that try to get me to enlist.

Medal of Honour: Pacific Assault is a good example of being patriotic/nationalistic, without falling into jingoism.

 

[Sleepy Sol]

I ain't against games, I'm just against the dummies that play them. Burn them at the stake, get your pitchforks primed, you know, the works.

Why the heck did you ask like ten different pretty unrelated questions in the scope of a single topic anyway? Not really incentivized to bother making a coherent answer to any of them when there isn't effort to make an initial point that makes a lick of sense or connects the questions in any meaningful way.

If you think college students are really against gaming in any form I'd advise you to get outside some more. One college newspaper opinion really doesn't represent college students anywhere to any degree. At all. Hell, I knew jocks who did Greek life my freshman year that still played the fuck out of some Civ 5.

As for the rest of your questions? I mean...a lot of them should be self-evident if you've paid any attention in the last few years. Though I also find actually discussing them with most people online to be an unnecessary and painful chore. It's generally far easier to just...not worry about arguing with people on the internet so much about really trivial matters.

 

[Chewster]

Ahh yes, a well thought out article from the prestigious and super well known *checks notes* Daily Tar Heel.

College kids consume tons of video games. I teach university students in Asia, most of them game. I gamed my way through my undergrad playing LAN StarCraft in the dorms with friends. Stop getting outraged over obscure articles from nothing student newspapers at some university no one has heard of.

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

Are they? Like I know heaps of fellow board gamers and tabletop roleplayers, students or not, through my university.

 

[Drathnoxis]

Are they? Like I know heaps of fellow board gamers and tabletop roleplayers, students or not, through my university.

I think he mean, you know, real games.

[sub][sub]Still can't see it being true though.[/sub][/sub]

 

[Addendum_Forthcoming]

I think he mean, you know, real games.

Real gaming?

Like horse racing? My university campus borders the Royal Randwick as well...

Also board games = best games.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/2018/09/viewpoints-video-games-0830

Is there a culture within gaming that aims to keep the gaming community from being inclusive?

Unfortunately there seems to be.

Do we need a female answer to Zelda?

Need? No. Would I be opposed to it? No. In fact I'm pretty sure one already exists somewhere.

Is Horizon Zero Dawn a good solution to this problem? Is FemShep awesome?

Haven't played Horizon Zero Dawn, but I thought FemShep was awesome.

Why are Republicans hard on video games?

I'm pretty sure it's politicians in general and it's great for fearmongering.

Are Republicans more likely to unaware of the pop culture?

Again, politicians in general.

They say human lives are trivialized and justice of a cause and patriotism are separated from a war's brutalities.

I'm pretty sure that's what happens IRL

Shouldn't the Republicans be supportive of games that promote heroic military values?

I would've thought so.

 

[TrulyBritish]

Are you just deliberately looking for people who talk about games negatively so you can make these posts about "X hates gaming".
I honestly can't remember a single post of yours that wasn't "X hates Y" or "How do you get more X interested in Y?".
Like, where's the discussion value in repeating the exact same thread over and over again except with a different goat?
EDIT: Of course as soon as I finish posting I see the thread about Bioware RPG's being dead, thus immediately disproving my point -_- ...

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Can we please stop bringing up this topic? The forum was burned to the ground already talking about this, maybe wait an entire decade before going through it again?

 

[Asita]

...Since when are college students against gaming? My college had an Xbox and Wii in the commons (and a decent library of games to rent) for everyone to enjoy at their leisure

 

[Silentpony_v1legacy]

To be fair, they're college students. People got an entire group of feminist students to sign a petition to end women's suffrage.
Part of it is they've just taken Philosophy 101, and think no one else has ever heard of Plato or the Socratic method, therefore they know how to solve global trade. Another part is they're desperate to belong somewhere, to make their mark, and so are very easily swayed by half-truth and rumors.
You know that statistic that 1 in 4 women in college are raped? Yeah, totally made up. A judge used it as an example fact while teaching a class to lawyers on how to present statistics to a court. He even said it was a made up number, but someone with an agenda unironically quoted the judge and that started the ball rolling.
But college students think they've been given enlightenment.

You can't blame kids for being kids. Its like asking why dogs are against cats. Because they don't know any better.

 

[Terminal Blue]

Part of it is they've just taken Philosophy 101, and think no one else has ever heard of Plato or the Socratic method, therefore they know how to solve global trade. Another part is they're desperate to belong somewhere, to make their mark, and so are very easily swayed by half-truth and rumors.

..as opposed to those people who never go to college, who are entirely realistic about their own abilities and competence and never uncritically absorb information from youtube videos or compare adopting a political philosophy to the act of freeing oneself from the Matrix.

The Duning Kruger effect is real, sadly. My experience of HE students (fairly extensive, since I teach them) is that if anything they tend to underestimate the ammount of knowledge they possess. It's particularly interesting that you seem to be implicitly singling out female students here, as they're even more likely to suffer from imposter syndrome than their male peers.

But I guess this stereotype of the arrogant and intellectually superior college student is a useful straw man for the new breed of anti-intellectual culture war mujahideen who we all, for some reason, have to live with now.

You know that statistic that 1 in 4 women in college are raped? Yeah, totally made up.

Firstly, the most commonly (mis)quoted statistic is 1 in 5. I don't know where you got 1 in 4 from.

Secondly, the 1 in 5 statistic is not made up, it's simply been misused to the point that it's often repeated out of context. It comes from a 2007 study which found that one in five female students on two campuses had experienced something which would be legally classified as sexual assault. The study is generally in keeping with other data gathered before and since, and is thus a fairly accurate assessment of sexual assault prevalence. Incidentally, the same study also suggests that one in five women entering college have already been victims of sexual assault.

The 1 in 5 statistic was routinely misquoted by politicians (including Barrack Obama) who often made the mistake of conflating sexual assault and rape, and from there it was also taken up by the third sector. Ultimately, the main relevance to higher education is that the study in question was a study into college campuses, and (along with numerous other pieces of research) contributed to the adoption of specific policies aimed at tackling sexual assault by college administrations. But, despite the study being misquoted by high-profile political figures, none of this is inconsistent with what it actually says, because the study accurately indicates that the rate of sexual assault on campus is extremely high compared to the general population.

But again, the world produces no shortage of "rational" crusaders lining up to crash their planes impotently into the ivory tower.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

Can we please stop bringing up this topic? The forum was burned to the ground already talking about this, maybe wait an entire decade before going through it again?

Burned to the ground? My lad, there are factions out there still bouncing the craters.

Anyhou, since when does one nitwit in a college newspaper=the entirety of the college age scene?

 

[Trunkage]

Is FemShep awesome?

Dunno. I played as M!Shep.

That Manshep was the worst voice actor. Couldn't stand him

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

All of these premises sound absurd to me. These are not serious questions as none of these issues are in any real doubt.

 

[ebalosus]

Because they are being mislead and misinformed by frauds claiming to be """journalists""" who suffer from GG derangement syndrome. Look, I don't care for the "muh gaemer culture" shitheads either, but to pretend that the entire medium is stuck in the early 90s is doing it a massive disservice. Inclusivety and diversity in gaming is a good thing, but pandering to or worse patronising them on that issue wont bring new people in. It would be akin to a company telling me, a New Zealander, that I would like a game because it both features a character from New Zealand and only shows them in a positive light.

 

[Smithnikov_v1legacy]

After learning that Low Tier God and Darksyde Phil still have donators and fans, I have ceased defending gamers as a culture. If some college pseudo intellectual wants to slag on them, that's the least of what they deserve for supporting garbage like those two.