Why are MOST PC gamers full of so much hatred towards Consoles?

[Scow2]

Do the high-end PC gamers still have their pants in a knot?

I find the FPS genre is equally good on both PC and Console gamepad. The experience is different, and thus someone who's played PC FPS think the controller sucks, and those who play Console FPS can't flawlessly adjust to keyboard+mouse. Personally, I like the unlimited range of movement on a gamepad.

Far too many highly-vaunted PC-exclusive games play way too much like Microsoft Excel, while the console's streamlined control setup feels a lot more engaging.

 

[Nikolaz72]

so i brought the intelligent discussion here.

But you started off with a slur against PC users. How do you think they'd react to that?

How about "Why are people so defensive about their own choice of machine?"

Because that's going to be a discussion, what you've created here is an argument.

If you consider that a "slur" or any form of offensive comment, then you must be very easily offended.

I did generalize with my title, but from MOST PC gamers i have came across on the internet (which is thousands) all had something bad to say about the console, and how high and mighty their $2500 PC rig is.

Have a hard time beliveing that you would memorize a thousand conversations. And that everyone you met on the internet had something bad to say about consoles. Well guess what, everyone has something bad to say about PC. Not neccesarily pc but more like Microsoft and its history of AWESOME OS's.

 

[Drummodino]

These are the kind of issues that really p*** me off. Firstly the whole "PC's are better" or "Consoles are better" for whatever reasons are spewed out are completely subjective. Each different platform caters for different people, eg. the wii is best for casual/family gaming, PC is best for those who have oodles of dollars to spend on creating the best system possible. Also some people just have a preferred system which they like to play. I myself am a PS3 player. My first gaming system (other then gameboy colour) was the PS2. I have since bought a PSP and PS3. The key reasons behind my choice are:

1. I don't have the cash for a suped-up PC
2. I have no interest in modding
3. I refuse to pay for online gaming (ala XBOX Live)
4. Because i have grown accustomed to a Playstation controller it is what feels most natural to me for all genres (except for RTS's however these i rarely play)
5. almost all of my favourite games are on the PS3 and some of these are exclusives (eg. Infamous)

However I am mature enough to realise that other people have different tastes and circumstances, hence another system is better suited for them. I just say "live and let live". Nothing gets on my nerves more then a bleating fanboy trying to prove that their preference is better then all others just because it is their favourite.

 

[Drummodino]

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These are the kind of issues that really p*** me off. Firstly the whole "PC's are better" or "Consoles are better" for whatever reasons are spewed out are completely subjective. Each different platform caters for different people, eg. the wii is best for casual/family gaming, PC is best for those who have oodles of dollars to spend on creating the best system possible. Also some people just have a preferred system which they like to play. I myself am a PS3 player. My first gaming system (other then gameboy colour) was the PS2. I have since bought a PSP and PS3. The key reasons behind my choice are:

1. I don't have the cash for a suped-up PC
2. I have no interest in modding
3. I refuse to pay for online gaming (ala XBOX Live)
4. Because i have grown accustomed to a Playstation controller it is what feels most natural to me for all genres (except for RTS's however these i rarely play)
5. almost all of my favourite games are on the PS3 and some of these are exclusives (eg. Infamous)

However I am mature enough to realise that other people have different tastes and circumstances, hence another system is better suited for them. I just say "live and let live". Nothing gets on my nerves more then a bleating fanboy trying to prove that their preference is better then all others just because it is their favourite.

First off, the horribly ungrounded misconception that PCs cost a lot just have to end. 500 bucks gets you a PC that will easily outperform any console on the market now by far. The only reason you think a gaming PC costs upward a thousand dollars (let alone a couple of thousands) is because of how incredibly shortsighted and ignorant you are towards PC hardware. Adding to that, the fact you think PCs cost a lot to maintain. Normally, the biggest amount of maintaining you'll have to do in the course of 5 years is changing the thermal paste for the cooling system once or twice. Thermal paste (more than you'll ever use in your whole life) costs at most 15 bucks.

Now, you seem to be so ignorant of PC gaming itself that you've no idea PC games in general cost less than console games because publishers don't have to pay licensing fees as they do for certain companies who hold a monopoly on their respective platforms, nor do you realise there is a thing called Steam, which constantly cuts games' prices to shreds. Let me know when you get Team Fortress 2 for 5 euro on your Xbox360.

In summary on that one, in the long run, you actually save money (lots of money, if you use Steam) on a PC compared to a console.

Second, you fail at logic. Different hardware is by nature either better or worse than another in any given sense. It just so happens consoles have only cons when they're being compared with the PC, the only remote pros they have being the games released on them. It is true, you may not care for any pros PC gaming has over consoles, doesn't mean the platforms suddenly became even. A good rule of thumb to go by is this - if it gives you more options and is at least just as competent in the mutual ones, it's objectively better.

So no, PC players aren't mad because they've spent thousands of dollars on their PCs - I know I haven't - they're mad because:
A) Console fanboys keeping on repeating the same old shitty non-arguments they have for the last couple of years in justification of their purchases and are just as willing to give up their groundless beliefs as religious zealots;
B) The limits of their platform are not being pushed in even the slightest sense because every publisher at the moment is catering to the lowest common denominator.

I'm not going to repeat my arguments on games themselves, if you want to comment on that, read the last few pages and try to disagree. If you do, don't at any point refer to your preference, as I'm arguing (the lack of) functionality and efficiency of (mostly) the control schemes of the platforms. In other words, objective positives and negatives.

Welcome to the Escapist. Swearing is not frowned upon or a bannable offense over here, no need to censor yourself if you're not going hardcore with it. Especially on such minor words as piss.

Edit: one thing I forgot, the only reason the vast majority of console gamers say mouse and keyboard is in any way inferior is that they've hardly ever played games on it.

Mate, did you even read my post? Just calm down, take a breath. You're attacking me, accusing me of being a console fanboy when what I was trying to say is nothing of the kind! Yes I am mostly a ps3 gamer but the point I was trying to make is that all the different systems are suited for different people. OK I'm sorry if I was wrong about having to spend squillions on a PC but as pointed out above some people do and this is one of the reasons why PC's are better for them. I'm not perfect and I may get some information wrong but all I was trying to say is to each his own.

Personally I resent being called a fanboy for just trying to state a logical point when I wasn't even trying to say A is better then B or whatever. If anything you are the one who is sounding like a fanboy.

EDIT: Oh and how you are saying that consoles are bad because they are user friendly? Somehow I don't really see the problem with that...

And yes I do know of Steam, I have used it. I do have a PC (not a particularly great one) but I have played some games on it, which I usually have bought off Steam.

Finally I never said the mouse and keyboard was inferior, I just said over years of playing with a controller it is what feels natural for me. I am willing to concede that the mouse and keyboard is probably better for hardcore fps's but it feels foreign to me because I'm just not used to it.

 

[dakorok]

I'm a PC gamer, and I can say that my console has a lot less frat-boy douchebags playing games on it.

 

[TiefBlau]

I'm fine with console gaming. Which isn't to say I encourage it, but it's better off like this than not existing at all, and it serves its purpose as a way of being a bridge between more lenient and more enthusiastic gamers.

I don't encourage console gaming for the same reason that I don't encourage Apple products. Their prosperity is entirely rooted in simplicity. I can't encourage such a regressive stance.

PC Gaming is objectively superior to console gaming from a technological perspective. That's not to say that it's in every way better, but there's no chance in hell that a console will ever do something that a PC can't. Not in today's world.

Consoles come from an era where Pong and Atari were machines for which hardware diverged largely from your average PC. Today not so much. In fact, what with all the Facebook and internet browser crap they've been putting on consoles and mobile phones these days, I'd say they're bridging the gap. The only reason Microsoft doesn't make the XBox a game-heavy PC is because a) "Console" is a much more attractive title, and b) It gives them an excuse to monopolize everything. Your internet, your patches, your digital download services...all Microsoft.

So no, I'm by nature opposed to this kind of behavior, so I can't encourage it. The PC is also a better platform for indie games and just about anything.

Obviously, I recognize that consoles have a lot of practical use. What I'm getting at is that in an ideal video game industry, everyone has a PC and no need for a console.
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Usually in most threads you come across, full of PC gamers (fanboys, if you will) and Console gamers, it always turns into a gigantic flame war on what is better.

Subtle. Very subtle. Fanboys, how clever. And ironic too.

For anyone taking note, this is NOT how you establish ethos and impartiality. Greek philosophy is rolling in its grave.

One thing that i always did notice is that the PC gamers are usually the ones to start the whole war. It almost seems like they get enjoyment out of starting pointless arguments and debates.

Funny, from my point of view, it's a lot of console gamers who seem to have a lot to say about PC gaming. Like yourself. Must be a whole "point of view" thing that you have yet to grasp.

You have any numbers to back up your claims, or are you just blowing all this out of your ass?

Big deal, you paid nearly 1 grand, maybe more just so you can game with a mouse and a keyboard.

And you paid ~$200 to get a cheap, shittier PC that can't play anything besides games. And you have to pay for internet twice.

See how I can twist facts around too by omitting important details? Hitler just shed a tear. That shit was beautiful.

Paying more for your gaming situation gives you no excuse to talk down on people who pay less for their gaming set ups (I.e console gamers).

This is true.

This argument also applies to iPhone games. I personally don't disagree with this logic, but I thought you should understand its implications.

I also see no legitimate reasons being stated as to why they hate console gaming. They just start bringing up the whole "Specs vs Specs" debate, and never state factual statements on why they hate/dislike consoles/console gamers.

Because specs aren't facts, of course. Nope, just opinions. Opinions in the form of numbers. And facts.

If PC gamers don't have factual evidence, then console gamers are even lower on the totem pole of logic.

Why can't you enjoy both? I'm a console gamer/ex PC gamer, but i enjoyed both without bad mouthing on or the other.

ORLY??? It's not like your OBVIOUS FUCKING BIAS is showing or anything.

Cry more, fanboy.

I respect both console and PC gamers highly

No you don't.

and i honestly don't see why there always has to be a pointless argument over which is better.

There doesn't. There doesn't have to be an argument for anything. Let's just all hold hands and be friends.

The only reason you're posting on these forums in the first place is because you like intellectual discourse. So deal with it. Learn to live with the fact that there are people out there that disagree with you. And if you have the logic to correct them or be corrected, which, as of yet, you really, really don't, don't be afraid to use it.

Both platforms have pros and cons, along with excellent games. Some fantastic games are on the PC which are not cross-platform. Some Fantastic games are on the console which are also exclusive.

Some jelly beans are red, and some are purple. Does it really matter? They're all beans. Look at how much I can say without really saying anything at all! Let's all just be friends so I can be passive-aggressive all I want, but you can't respond!

Thanks for reading, and i hope you do respect this post as a form of ones opinion.

And I hope that you learn that the whole "respecting one's opinion" thing is going to take a lot more effort than a shoddily-devised disclaimer tacked to the end of a rant about PC gamers.

 

[James Joseph Emerald]

Consoles have simply made gaming more accessible and mainstream.

Translation: Increased the amount of money going into developers and publishers pockets, therefore increasing the quantity of games with each passing year.

Fixed for you. You can thank me later.

I agree with this. I don't think the quality of games has diminished due to console games. I mean, gaming consoles have been around since the 70's. The market grew, because of an increase in popularity (i.e. customers) due to the accessibility of consoles. This means there's more games being released overall, and so there's more generic shit being released overall. Saying "consoles are the death of gaming" is like how they said "VCRs are the death of cinema" back in the 80's. It's silly.

 

[James Joseph Emerald]

People aren't saying consoles are the death of gaming, only a complete fool would say that. No, people are saying consoles are bringing about the death of gaming with depth and complexity.

Isn't that pretty much the same thing? Games without depth or complexity are essentially lifeless.

Anyway, the point is that there really isn't any evidence that "consoles" have anything to do with a lack of depth and complexity. Example: Metal Gear Solid was a very deep and complex console game. Then, by the fourth one, a lot of its complexity was removed and replaced with cover-based shooting and straightforward objectives. But how can you blame console gaming for warping something it brought to the table in the first place? People talk about slews of generic "console-oriented" FPSes, as if anything generic and dumbed-down is inherently made-for-consoles, but that's just how games have been from the beginning. Even in the golden age of PC adventure games, there were a hundred crappy generic PC adventure games for every one that was good.

 

[James Joseph Emerald]

Also, console games brought RPG and FPS to the table? Pardon my french, but nigga please.

I don't remember saying that.

The point is, you saying "consoles dumbed down gaming" doesn't make it true. Where are the facts? Hell, Goldeneye is considered one of the best FPSes of all time, and that is an FPS game that came out in 1997, for a console. So I don't really understand how you can call FPS a "genre that consoles have only started taking on in the last couple of years". Same with RPGs, such as the Final Fantasy series.

 

[Cyberjester]

Consoles have simply made gaming more accessible and mainstream.

Translation: Increased the amount of money going into developers and publishers pockets, therefore increasing the quality of games with each passing year.

Fixed for you. You can thank me later.

Halo = Modern Warfare 1 = Modern Warfare 2 = Battlefield Bad Company 2..

Quality.. As if. See, if you'd have played Battlefield 2 you'd know what I'm talking about. Consoles don't have the same amount of controls, so most of them are taken out. Consoles didn't have the same amount of available memory, so epic character customisation was taken out. Consoles weren't able to be installed, so they had lower graphics, sound, smaller levels, etc.

Storyline, the last 3 shooters in that list are "Russians are bad, lets go get 'em".
The middle two, their main cinematic moment is you jumping for a helicopter, missing, and some dude reaching down to grab your arm. From the clip for Black Ops I think it's in there as well. It's a fact, CoD4 and 6 are some of the highest grossing games around, and compared to PC shooters they're stupid and boring.

Not console ports, BF: BC2 is a console port.

The reason most PC gamers are annoyed at consoles is that the PC is no longer being fully utilised. Now we're just getting shoddy console ports of the same old, same old shooter. We have Battlefield 2 as a squad shooter, and HL2 as a FPS/Action as standards. Compared to which, console games are pathetic.

Think I posted this in another thread, the console games are so bad, that it's almost as if the developers have assumed that the average IQ of the console player is lower. I mean.. There are some dumb games on the console. Which get ported to PC and we get to pay top dollar for game that doesn't even work. Great.

If you want to know what I'm talking about, get an $800 PC, fire it up and play Morrowind, then Oblivion, and by the looks of it Skyrim will continue the journey into idiocy. First game, made for PC. Complex enough to be challenging, beautiful graphics (for the time, they'd probably be dated now), wide open maps with little loading. A full environment. Oblivion, made for console. Features "dumbed down", spell selection lowered, classes simplified, maps made smaller, etc. Skyrim, read the preview. Classes done away with completely, reduced amount of skills..

Get the drift? Console doesn't mean quality, it's the complete opposite. My computer wouldn't even be worth $800 new these days and I can run most games. And that's including the monitor which runs at a higher resolution than most TV's. And I can do way more than just game on my PC. Hence the superiority and any hate you may receive from PC owners. It's like life in general, the awesome makes way for the minorities and everyone loses.

 

[James Joseph Emerald]

Goldeneye is considered to be one of the best FPS games of all time only by people who haven't played Quake 3 or Unreal Tournaments up to 2004. In other words, because they've only been playing console FPS games. Also, nostalgia. Also, you have to be insane to consider anything that uses an analog stick for aiming a decent FPS, let alone the best.

Really, saying "everybody who matters knows X is better than Y" is a really flimsy basis for any argument. You realise that, right? I mean, hundreds of independent gaming/electronic magazines/media outlets [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GoldenEye_007#Reception] have praised Goldeneye as one of the best FPSes around, both retrospectively, and around the time it was released. And it sold over 8 million copies, which is around twice the amount Halo did.

I've been playing games with both PC and consoles for around 15 years now, and I haven't noticed any "dumbing down". There have always been good games and bad games. Blaming consoles for the bad ones is just a trendy thing to say. In fact, taking nostalgia out of the picture, I could probably name 2 good, deep, complex games that came out this side of the millenium for every good one that came out before Halo did.