Why are MOST PC gamers full of so much hatred towards Consoles?

[Vrach]

The reason I prefer my PC is mouse and keyboard.

This is just from my perspective, but I deeply loathe gaming using a keyboard. The keyboard is just... Awful. It's not designed for gaming and it shows. Very, very horribly. There needs to be SOME substitute for the keybard.
EUREKA, I THINK I'VE GOT IT!

Hey if it works for you, great. I've been using a keyboard and a mouse for the past 15 years or so, so I find it hard to see your point.

Spoiler: Keyboard keybinds

Those are just the easiest ones and there's a ton of combinations depending on what you're playing along with a lot of not-immediately-accessible buttons that are great for a number of functions. Not to mention the fact that while a controller takes up both my hands, this just shows what my left hand can do while it works along with the right on the mouse, which can have anything from 3-5 buttons to an entire numeric keypad for keybinds while making looking around/aiming/clicking completely effortless and natural.

But again - that's just my PoV. Fact is, you'll probably like whatever you're used to the most. For me at this point that's easily the PC although even at the time when I had both a PC and several options of consoles, I found the PC the preferable platform. But game and let game

 

[VaderMan92]

the reason PC gamers hate consoles is because consoles sucked all the complexity out of video games. saying that i still like both but looking at some of the games from the 90's vs some of today's games. lets just say fallout 1 was a lot more involved than fallout 3

 

[w00tage]

To the OP: Suppose you were part of the first group of people to be doing video gaming. Suppose it was a real PITA to get it going, and the support from the other people doing the same thing was essential to helping you "get in the game"(pun intended), and because of that, there was some bonding going on, some group building between lots of people who had never met face to face, but had a damn lot of fun together anyways over teh Internet.

Suppose that when it finally went mainstream and PC game manufacturers got better at making the damn things work, you looked at the rest of the world and said to yourself "YES! Now everyone will be able to enjoy the same things I do! The thrills, challenges, excitement of victory and agony of defeat! Everyone's gonna be part of the group we started now! Whooohooo this is gonna be fun!".

And then OTHER manufacturers made a different kind of game machine and deliberately, with divide and profit aforethought, made it so you could not play your PC games with ANYONE who bought those machines, so that they could sell special network access instead of the general Internet and special, expensive controllers instead of a cheap mouse and keyboard.

THEN, they sold those game machines mostly to immature players, and, because real thrills, challenge, excitement and agony were too much for their poor little minds to handle, they built about a 3/1 ratio of water/fun into the games for those people. And because controllers really do have less accuracy and speed of control compared to keyboard and mouse, they built manufacturer-approved AIMBOTS and time-freeze HACKS into the games to overcome the problems they'd created for the players with their greed.

And then the manufacturer's marketers lied to all of those poor, abused players and told them they were cool and the future'n stuff because they bought those machines, and being young, they believed them and copped an attitude about how cool and the future'n stuff they were compared to those old dinosaur PC lamers.

And then those poor, misled people came onto Internet forums talking sh8 about how great they are playing watered-down games with manufacturer-approved aimbots and time-freeze hacks.

I don't hate them. I'm not angry at them. I hate and am angry at the manufacturers who deliberately created the platforms in such a way as to force people to buy overly expensive proprietary controllers, net access and other equipment. And in doing so, put a massive divide between gamers, who should have been all one big happy family, but now will probably never be.

 

[Chibz]

Then steam, WoW, etc are zombies then?

1. "PC IS DYING!" becomes a popular phrase in the expanding console bubble.
2. Console crash of the 80s is caused from the console bubble bursting.
3. Consoles come back. "PC IS DYING!" becomes a popular phrase again.
4. PC regains popularity and sales. Macs jump into the arena. The computer platform stronger than ever.

Let me put it to you this way. The death of the PC means the death of technical progress itself not to mention it will destroy the console market too.

I'd like to congratulate you on your immense lack of reading comprehension. I have never said "PC Gaming is dead" I said it's marginalized. There's a HUGE difference. God, learn to fucking read.

[Proof + Statistics; Neither of which can be opinionated.
Ill wait here

For reference, im not biased either way.
However, the Truth is the Truth, so try not to be biased yourself.

It's hard to get accurate sale numbers for PC gaming. It's not really measured by most organizations. One sec...

Wow. NPD didn't record pc game sales of 2010 yet. I only have 2009. This is a little tricky, though.

Retail sales in the PC game software industry also experienced declines, with revenues down 23 percent, generating $538 million in 2009

First number we have is PC game sales. $538 million.

The total console, portable and PC game software industry generated $10.5 billion, an 11 percent decline vs. the $11.7 billion generated in 2008.

Second number we have is the total console and PC gaming market share. $11.7 billion. Now, we want to know the console/portable market without the PC market. Simple subtraction.

$10 billion. What's a few million between friends?

Marginalized.

 

[Vohn_exel]

snippety snip

Actually I've noticed that finally the console and pc crowd are falling together under one banner. They all seem to be gathering for a common enemy, at least in their eyes. It seems that now there are no more "PC gamers, Console gamers" but "Hardcore" and "Casual" gamers. Seriously, since those two terms have come about, I swear the arguments over which is better have been changing to being between the two new "groups."

 

[Chibz]

But again - that's just my PoV. Fact is, you'll probably like whatever you're used to the most. For me at this point that's easily the PC although even at the time when I had both a PC and several options of consoles, I found the PC the preferable platform. But game and let game

My main complaint against the keyboard is that using WASD to move is like using a d-pad. A bad d-pad. With limited pressure-detection. And a bad set-up.

 

[Wintermoot]

maybe it has a bit to do with yahtzee

 

[AngelicSven]

I did generalize with my title, but from MOST PC gamers i have came across on the internet (which is thousands) all had something bad to say about the console, and how high and mighty their $2500 PC rig is.

Anyone who pays $2500 for a gaming computer is probably an idiot and has no idea about anything that includes electronics, I'm not getting into what's better because of how you graciously summarized it in the OP. There is one thing everyone needs to understand about homemade computers in general, they're cheap, they're stupid cheap. I made a desktop for $600 and that was to play games. You can make an internet computer for like $250 - $300. I don't wanna hear "but that's not with the monitor, mouse, or keyboard," You clearly have those already, why would you need to buy new ones? This by far is no indication that PC is better but most people need to understand that at launch date, a decent gaming computer costed as much as a PS3 or X-Box 360, and then they tacked on Kinect and Move.

Well, I will say one thing about the squabble, since I have a personal experience and I have a PS3, X-Box 360, and a $850 gaming PC. I bought the orange box for both, I got to the point of Portal where you get all the gold medals by clearing times. I first tried on the X-Box but if I was going to fast and it lagged out costing me the time, I kept trying to find sometimes it lagged and sometimes it didn't, I eventually got them all but it was frustrating because I was doing it right but I was at the whim of my X-Box. As you can probably guess, I had to do this on my PC, and it was to my relief that it never lagged, to the contrary I actually got much faster times. However, I play both and I'm still playing Need for Speed on the X-box primarily so I don't really care what's better, I have a PS3 that can run everything, a X-box that can run anything, and a PC that can run anything.

 

[Vrach]

Spoiler

Cute.

Heads up, short posts with pictures (especially massive ones not enclosed in spoiler tags) are generally not appreciated by the mods. Just saying.

And as much as [user]wootage[/user]'s post might be a little... aggressive, I can't help but agree with a number of points made there :\

 

[Super Toast]

CITIZEN SNIPS!!!

All of that is true, to a point. But you make it sound as if no-one is making any unique games at all. As I pointed out, that's a load of bull. Just because the average visual quality of games is improving doesn't mean actual game quality has taken a nose-dive. Games are becoming better designed in virtually every respect with each and every year bringing new and interesting things to the table. And that is an undeniable fact.

 

[CanadianWolverine]

Usually in most threads you come across, full of PC gamers (fanboys, if you will) and Console gamers, it always turns into a gigantic flame war on what is better.

Usually it doesn't unless someone starts by saying "Why are PC gamers full of so much hatred..."

1) Because we aren't.
2) Because neither are you
3) Because the PC can do somethings better than a console and the console can do things easier than a PC...that's the point of them not fighting for the same market.

I'd suggest you take a quick look back through the history of this forum for every week this topic has come up, and then ask if your initial wording wasn't slightly...aggressive?

This forum does not cover the entire internet.

I have seen literally dozens of flame wars all over different forums, and websites.

This forum is more mature and friendly compared to others, so i brought the intelligent discussion here.

Look, for some reason root is being nice enough to be coy about your OP, but I am just going to point this out clearly for you, call a spade a spade if you will. By "slightly...aggressive?" I think it is better said that the initial wording is flame bait, a carrion call to trolls. Does this make me or others responding a troll? I hope not. Irregardless that OP is offensive (see: aggressive) at the very least.

Come on man/woman/child, Root clearly invited you to peruse any number of other threads on this same subject a quick google search of the site would have netted you, bringing the entirety of the 'net into is disingenuous. Its entirely likely that there are very few humans who can claim with any reassurance such a vague source is one they have scoured all the corners of. Instead, why not just say which dark recesses of the WWW you found such "enlightened rustic individuals" who weren't also just spouting off at in the text with out fully researching and pondering this age old subject to any significant degree.

And while I am sure "the forum" is thankful for the compliment, your posts thus far in this thread you demonstrated precious little of the virtues you ascribe to these forums. And now I tell you why:

One key point of your post is the myth that gmaverick019 rightly noted would be a source of contested legitimacy - PC Gaming Is More Expensive Than Consoles. This hasn't been true roughly since somewhere around the time DirectX v9 and the latest generation of consoles came out. So, lets go through a quick list of the "cheaper" console, how much did your "X" cost:
- Dwelling with a space large enough to play a motion controlled game (Wii/ Move/ Kinect) with multiple players
- Comfortable seating arrangement (Couch, recliner, pillow, etc)
- Flat screen tv (do tv tubes and the cable in/out converters even get sold anymore?)
- Furniture the tv sits on/in, usually called a entertainment center (if you have it securely wall mounted, awesome)
- Sound system
- Furniture space that holds your game disc cartridges
- Console
- Extra Controllers
- Extra Peripherals
- Discs that are all roughly $60 CDN before taxes unless used last I checked
- Transportation to the Retail store
- Internet Service Provider
- Access Online Content Delivery Service & Multiplayer (Xbox Live/ PSN/ Wii Online)
- Credit Card (mine charges me a annual fee on top of the compounding and confounding interest)

Sure, go ahead an write some of that stuff off, you had it anyway and are using it for other stuff, heck lets just toss in that you go for the cheapest entertainment options you can, a lot of the stuff in your tiny living room is second hand and you didn't get any extras. How good is your gaming now though? So you pick a up a few extra costs, a few more games, a few more controllers ... BAM! You are easily hitting and surpassing your magical $1000 number pulled out of thin air. You know how I know? I paid roughly $400 for my PC which includes the flatscreen and peripherals, $25-40 a month for internet, I can sit anywhere with it (heck, I don't even have to keep it at home), it fits in tight spaces, the sound is headphones so I don't disturb others, I buy games for it when digital distribution stuff has sales like Steam did over the holidays so I maybe have spent only $40 for 10+ (I forget the exact number, there were bundles) games of wonderful quality in the last year - heck maybe only around $120 for all the years I have had Steam and that was only because I spent $45 on a L4D pre-order. I don't even have to use the damn thing for just gaming, what do you think I am doing with this post right now for instance? Did you type your post up on a console perchance?

And then there are the mods for those ridiculously cheap games I picked up. I'll be lucky if I even scratch a third of all the fun experiences my games have to offer. And I still haven't hit your BS $1000+ number.

So, the only people I ever see descending these threads into flame wars are either PC gamers who don't know how good they have it or Console gamers who don't realize how badly they are being ripped off for stuff PC gamers get for free (without even being a dick about it by pirating). You know what the best thing Consoles do these days that PC gamers can look on in envy upon? Motion controllers that don't need a hack to work. Beyond that Console games seem to be having all the same problems PC games have, only Consoles have a better funded propaganda campaign to convince the consumer bugs/crashes/pirating happen more often on the PC, so good in fact they will charge a Console gamer for the patches with some games and call it DLC.

But what do I know, I only keep a console around for when company comes over and wants to do something other than watch a dvd or play a board game between socializing, drinking, and eating well.

 

[The Lunatic]

Because consoles try to appeal to everyone, and to make a game appeal to everyone, you have to cut a few of the sharp edges, and these sharp edges are often what made a game unique and interesting.

Added to that, a lot of console developers seem very keen of annual sequels which add absolutely nothing to a game, apart from another number on the box.

It's just a fact of gaming today.

 

[Chibz]

You implied that it would. By your words "marginalization -> death" and you listed the PC as marginalized and predicted its death.

I just stated what has gone on before. Anything beyond the clearly stated facts is merely you drawing conclusions, not me.

Personally, I want to see PC gaming alive, if crippled. Mostly because console gaming needs the illusion of outside competition, or console gaming will stagnate and electronic gaming will die in its entirety.

 

[Vrach]

But again - that's just my PoV. Fact is, you'll probably like whatever you're used to the most. For me at this point that's easily the PC although even at the time when I had both a PC and several options of consoles, I found the PC the preferable platform. But game and let game

My main complaint against the keyboard is that using WASD to move is like using a d-pad. A bad d-pad. With limited pressure-detection. And a bad set-up.

Fair enough mate... just can't really see it, the combination of WASD and a mouse works more than fine for me in literally any game genre, it's literally seamless. I can't say the same for the use of controllers :\

 

[Chibz]

Fair enough mate... just can't really see it, the combination of WASD and a mouse works more than fine for me in literally any game genre, it's literally seamless. I can't say the same for the use of controllers :\

The mouse, for most people, compensates for the maximum catastrophy of ass W-A-S-D is. Personally, I just practiced with controllers and got really, really good using them. Because I'm awesome. And a robot. And possibly a ninja.

... A robot ninja.

But thanks to this thread I have just had the best idea for PC gaming ever. Now I'm off to fulfill my destiny! Excelsior!

 

[gibboss28]

Spoiler

Cute.

Heads up, short posts with pictures (especially massive ones not enclosed in spoiler tags) are generally not appreciated by the mods. Just saying.

And as much as [user]wootage[/user]'s post might be a little... aggressive, I can't help but agree with a number of points made there :\

Yeah I forgot the spoiler tags, ah well no harm no foul.

Fair play but to be honest all I see are pointless generalisations and flame baiting. He may have some fair points, but so far in this thread I've not seen any.

 

[Evil the White]

Usually in most threads you come across, full of PC gamers (fanboys, if you will) and Console gamers, it always turns into a gigantic flame war on what is better.

Because someone says something like 'why are all console shooters so bad?' or 'PC gamers are just jealous of our new fame' or 'Why are PC gamers full of so much hatred towards consoles?'

The people who argue in an agressive manner do it for one of several reasons.

1. They genuinely think their opinion is superior therefore everyone else is stupid.
OR..
2. They do it on purpose to start a flamewar. (more likely)

Even with the 'MOST' in the title, its misleading. Very few people actually care, especially PC gamers. Its just that the trolls or those who are too smug with their opinions.