Why are people so against 'feminism' in gaming?

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Callate

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John Marcone said:
While what the victim was wearing is an excuse for rapists, we still need feminism.
Once again. You can not call that a feminist issue. Rapists are gonna think what they want. The only time feminism should be brought into it is if it is used in court and no civilised court is gonna take that sort of claim even semi seriously. Hell, most of them will go harder on the rapist since it shows a lack of remorse.
Sadly, that's not remotely the case.

Scotland has begun circulating a PSA about how a woman's dress is not an invitation to rape after a survey suggested "almost one in five Scots believe a woman is partially to blame for being raped if she is wearing revealing clothing".

[link]http://www.rapecrisisscotland.org.uk/news/not-ever-scotland-s-first-ever-tv-rape-advert-launched-this-week/[/link]

A man in Manitoba was sentenced to a term without jail time for his rape conviction by the judge because said judge felt there was a "perceived invitation" in the victim wearing a tube top.

[link]http://goodmenproject.com/newsroom/judge-pardons-rapist-because-victim-was-wearing-a-tube-top/[/link]

Florida decided to pass a bill preventing attorneys from bringing up rape victims' clothing in court after a man was acquitted in 1990 because the jury felt the victim's manner of dress was "asking for it".

[link]http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/1990-05-30/news/9001100984_1_lace-miniskirt-victim-jury-foreman[/link]

What judges and juries think is an acceptable reason to let a rapist off damn well is a feminist issue.
 

TerraRey

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razelas said:
Here is what bothers me about "teasing": it trivializes the issue. It makes it seem exactly what the person intends it to be, i.e. A JOKE. You can make the argument that some people know when a joke is a joke and when it crosses the line... but where exactly is that line? And when you're used to sexist humor, will you actually take action when that line is crossed? Or will you extend the line because you don't want to "make a big deal of it"?

I'm not going to lie: I laugh at racist jokes, politically incorrect jokes, sexist jokes etc. And ideally, I wish I could not, but I'm a immature teenager, so hopefully the socialized "humor" of those jokes fades away in time like flatulent humor.
Um... Hm. Well it's teasing especially when a girl says it herself. And to those who can't take a joke, or are so stuck hup that they HAVE to make a big deal about it then they're stupid. As I pointed out get used to it. You're going to see sexism, and racism in the world EVERYWHERE not just gaming. Look at even half the commercials that are out! Or even better. Look at movies, tv shows, ect. Most of the time they're even worse than gaming.

Most I've heard from gaming is 'go back to the kitchen' 'girls belong in the kitchen or the bedroom not games' ect. They're funny. Amusing. I have a black friend who laughs at racist jokes about blacks. So why is it so freaking hard for girls to laugh about supposedly 'sexist' jokes about girls.



kurupt87 said:
Oh, grow up for christ sake. Those of us who laugh at these jokes can tell when someone is being serious. Those who don't, can't.

Most anything in Western marketing that's -ist is going to be a joke; it's even a compliment to whatever group it is, that they're mature enough and actually have a sense of humour that wasn't left to rot away during childhood.
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MasterChief892039

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angelsmash said:
The failure lies in the attempts to get women to buy games by pushing sassy female protagonists into stories where their sex is either peripheral or terribly unrealistic.
I agree with this entirely, although I can't think of many games where a female protagonist's sex is peripheral. The main problem is that there are two types of female characters in games - one is the 2-dimensional sex kitten, the other is the 2-dimensional sex kitten who kicks ass. Neither are of any use for attracting women into gaming.

I would argue, though, that "sassy female protagonists" are not put in games to attract women. Bayonetta, for example, was definitely male pandering and had no intention of attracting a female audience by having a female protagonist.

I think it would help to reiterate the criteria that I believe could potentially make games more appealing to women;
a) the option to play as a woman
b) a cast that represents both genders equally (or at least close to equally)
c) female characters that are written as diversely as male characters

I think it is c) that caused the confusion. I'm not suggesting that 2-dimensional sexy female characters be replaced with "sassy female protagonists" or faux "strong" women, because then you're just replacing one stereotype for another. My point is that female characters should be varied. This can include chicks with giant boobs and no personality, and it can include badass chicks that raid tombs or have guns in their shoes, but it should by no means be limited to these two character types.

angelsmash said:
- and you have to put aside your own experiences and preferences to accept this -
I really wish you would stop pretending you know me. It's very condescending.
 

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Venereus said:
I call BS, attention whoring, and shamelessly shelding behind real feminism on that girl. Don't support her.
Why did they have to bring a gender issue into it at all? It was pointless.
 

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Father Time said:
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And these are contemporary western issues. Not even starting on the global ones that feminism is always relevant to such as the battle against arranged marriage, infant genital mutilation
It disturbs me that you don't classify this as a contemporary western issue.
That mostly happens in Africa and the Middle East. Neither of those places qualify as The West.
What exactly do you think circumcision is?
A male issue
Part of a religious ceremony
A way to make penis infections less likely
A surgical operation to remove excess skin
Not mutilation


I thought you were talking about those tribal things where they cut off a pubescent girl's clitoris so she'll be less likely to cheat on her future husband.

That is the terrible thing that I was talking about.
 

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angelsmash said:
It's pretty obvious you are who you are. I'm sorry that it's on your sleeve but them's the breaks.
The "reply" button would help a lot.

And no, you don't know me. I am female and I have opinions on females in games, but there is certainly not a female gaming hivemind. My opinions are my own.
 

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xXxJessicaxXx said:
Man this thread is so aggressive and tiring would anyone like a crisp? I have prawn cocktail and BBQ rib.
I would love that. Arguing about sex and gender sure works up an appetite.
 

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DementedSheep said:
No feminism is about woman?s rights specifically hence the name. It has nothing to do with men?s rights. Yes you would be a massive hypocrite if you wanted woman to have the same opportunities as men and not the other way around but that does not change the fact that men?s rights are not actually part of feminism. A guy who wants equal rights on parenting issue is not a feminist.
Yes and no.

Although, yes, feminism is primarily concerned with women's rights, generally, this will involve men's rights as well, because the same sorts of things infringe on both. Removing various arbitrary gender roles, for example, benefits everyone who isn't stuck with them anymore.
 

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MasochisticMuse said:
angelsmash said:
It's pretty obvious you are who you are. I'm sorry that it's on your sleeve but them's the breaks.
The "reply" button would help a lot.

And no, you don't know me. I am female and I have opinions on females in games, but there is certainly not a female gaming hivemind. My opinions are my own.
Girls who play a lot of games tend to underestimate just how uncommon they are. It's not often that they realize they're in the minority when they say they'd be perfectly happy with a female roided-out space marine nuking a million pig cops from orbit.
 

TerraRey

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Javarock said:
At least that is my opinion on the matter, If you disagree with anything I said, Please tell me so.
First things first, I think I've just fallen in love. LAWLS! Actually being a women I really honestly don't know any common standards. Unless you count the basic (not really stadard) where women have to do painful things to be beautiful. (Pluck and wax, and stuff like that) Or need to wear make up, ect. when ever they go out. (Unless that's just my mom being nitpicky.)

You have hit just about every point possible. Thank you.
 

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angelsmash said:
MasochisticMuse said:
angelsmash said:
It's pretty obvious you are who you are. I'm sorry that it's on your sleeve but them's the breaks.
The "reply" button would help a lot.

And no, you don't know me. I am female and I have opinions on females in games, but there is certainly not a female gaming hivemind. My opinions are my own.
Girls who play a lot of games tend to underestimate just how uncommon they are. It's not often that they realize they're in the minority when they say they'd be perfectly happy with a female roided-out space marine nuking a million pig cops from orbit.
See, you're making assumptions about me based on my gender that don't apply to me at all. I'm entirely aware that I am in the minority. You think in highschool I didn't notice that all my friends were guys and non-gaming chicks thought I was weird?

And if you actually read my post instead of just skimming over it and just guessing what I was going to say, you would have seen that I never said that I wanted a bunch of roided up female space marines in games, as such characters would be stereotypical and unsatisfying. What I did say is that I wanted variety in female game characters.

I would like you to show me where in -
MasochisticMuse said:
I think it would help to reiterate the criteria that I believe could potentially make games more appealing to women;
a) the option to play as a woman
b) a cast that represents both genders equally (or at least close to equally)
c) female characters that are written as diversely as male characters
- I said "women will play games if there are more roided up female protagonists".
I'll give you a hint - I never said that.

Also, once again, approximately 40% of gamers are female. Though not all of them play narrative games, it shows that women are not intrinsically opposed to interactive entertainment.
 

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angelsmash said:
Girls who play a lot of games tend to underestimate just how uncommon they are. It's not often that they realize they're in the minority when they say they'd be perfectly happy with a female roided-out space marine nuking a million pig cops from orbit
lol what xD Sounds like Mass Effect 2. She has a pro voice <3 I would go gay for that voice actress.
 

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I don't think people really are against it, it just doesn't bother a lot of guys if it isn't present

But the advertisement just had a target audience, most advertisements do. There are plenty of commercials that cater exclusively to women when it doesn't make sense, like Yogurt commercials. My Dad also complains about how of the middle aged family men are portrayed as idiots in many commercials. I personally love it when ads break gender molds though, like Garnier Fructis having several males with pretty hair.
 

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xXxJessicaxXx said:
Man this thread is so aggressive and tiring would anyone like a crisp? I have prawn cocktail and BBQ rib.
Girls eat BBQ rib too? Nice! We're now learning from each other. And sharing, like internet torrenting pirates.
 

Moonlight Butterfly

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drisky said:
My Dad also complains about how of the middle aged family men are portrayed as idiots in many commercials.
I'd agree that whole Homer Simpson stereotype is getting a bit much. My uncle's are all middle age family men and are very very intelligent and rich. My Dad when he was alive...not so much, but he was an awesome driver.

Venereus said:
xXxJessicaxXx said:
Man this thread is so aggressive and tiring would anyone like a crisp? I have prawn cocktail and BBQ rib.
Girls eat BBQ rib too? Nice! We're now learning from each other. And sharing, like internet torrenting pirates.
The multipack bag has loads of ready salted left...blerg.
 

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xXxJessicaxXx said:
Like a leather biki with fur lining that would be so cool. I just want to see the look on the grey beards faces hahahahaha. (sorry for the offtopicness)

I will behaive now.
I WANT! D8