Why are Sony getting more hate than the actual hackers?
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Because they lied to the public. They knew for a week, and didn't tell anyone.
Because they trusted their PS3 security so much that they didn't install proper security for PSN.
Because left to their own designs, they'd never even give a cent of compensation to the customers affected by this.
Because they've been riding on the cash flow from all their other products to secure third party support for years, and it's about time they get knocked off their pedestal.
My only regret when Sony pulls out of the game market will be Kevin Butler getting sacked.
Because they trusted their PS3 security so much that they didn't install proper security for PSN.
Because left to their own designs, they'd never even give a cent of compensation to the customers affected by this.
Because they've been riding on the cash flow from all their other products to secure third party support for years, and it's about time they get knocked off their pedestal.
My only regret when Sony pulls out of the game market will be Kevin Butler getting sacked.
You're right, but the reason why everyone is going after Sony is not just because they were hacked. It's because they were hacked and the hackers got to everything. Sony has a responsibility to make that the information of all the customers stays secured, and they failed in that respect. Sure, if they were hacked and a marginally smaller amount of people had their info taken, if might have been a different story. But this level of catastrophe only comes about when there is some level of incompetence on Sony's part. Those hackers should not have gotten away with the personal data of Sony's entire customer base, no matter how good they are.diggy140892 said:
Or if someone double-bolts their doors, gets robbed, and is blamed for not putting barbed wire around their house and making their guard dogs aggressive enough.Custard_Angel said:
Not all hackers are going to be stopped by red tape and an alarm. Some rather astounding places were hacked into this year and last. Places that no one thought could be hacked into. Suddenly Sony gets hacked bad and everyone is flipping out at the hackee like they were to blame. Sure Sony could've handled the PR better, but blaming them for it is stupid.
As most people have said, Sony has a name and a face. These hackers do not. Therefore Sony is blamed.
They did not protect their customers as expected. Ya the hacker did it but it should not have happened in the first place. Sony is thus at fault for letting it happen. The thief did it but the blame fall on the fool that let it happen. Sony ought to have been prepared for this...
I know that common sense would dictate that a person who engages in a high risk activity must be seeking a proportional amount of reward but that's an assumption. Case and point, there has been no evidence that the PSN was hacked for monetary gain regardless of how 'likely' it is. Likelihood in this case, is based on fear and speculation, neither of which should be trusted as factual evidence.2012 Wont Happen said:
Two reasons, really. They didn't hold up their end of the EULA, and most importantly, they waited a goddam week before letting their customers know about it. They put PR ahead of the well being of their customers, and for that they get no sympathy from me. They way they've been going about this whole situation is really just dumbfounding. Seriously, how the hell can a multi-million dollar corporation mishandle something this serious so completely!?
Though I still hope they bounce back from this, if only because competition is good for everyone, and even 360 and Wii owners benefit from Sony staying in the game, if only to help keep the prices from going into "full retard" range.
Oh, and yea, the hackers are the ones to blame for the actual hacking, but please stop being so quick to defend Sony, when they clearly don't give a rat's ass about you guys, their own customers.
Though I still hope they bounce back from this, if only because competition is good for everyone, and even 360 and Wii owners benefit from Sony staying in the game, if only to help keep the prices from going into "full retard" range.
Oh, and yea, the hackers are the ones to blame for the actual hacking, but please stop being so quick to defend Sony, when they clearly don't give a rat's ass about you guys, their own customers.
Oh, I'm unhappy about them as well. But I don't know who they are, I don't know how to find them, and if I can find them, I really don't have much of a course of action that I can take against them. Suing them wouldn't make sense, they likely have no money. I'm sure they'll suffer criminal penalties if they're ever found, but that's something that is handled separately from my remedies.diggy140892 said:
Sony, meanwhile, has been on notice for a WHILE that the PS3 root key was out, they've had problems with their network in the past, they waited a LONG time to inform us that our personal information was compromised, I think that is fair enough reason to be pissed off at them.
Because the stupid fuckers stored everyone's personal information in plaintext with absolutely no form of encryption or hashing. That's why. Hacking is inevitable, so that's why you keep the most sensitive information in a form unusable to any but yourself, possibly even on a computer not connected to the Internet. The responsibility is on YOU (you being Sony), because hackers gonna hack.
they protected their consumers information badly
they keep removing features from their systems in a vain attempt to combat piracy
they want complete control over their products (even though people already bought them and aren't their property anymore)
they keep removing features from their systems in a vain attempt to combat piracy
they want complete control over their products (even though people already bought them and aren't their property anymore)
I love how people are posting 'oh any network can be hacked, it's not their fault!'
Crap. Utter crap.
1. Human error
2. Lack of security policy/procedures
3. Failure to enforce/adhere to 2
4. Using systems with known security flaws
Those are what cause system compromises and all of them can be avoided. The fact they were not is COMPLETELY Sonys fault.
Yay for not being on the PSN.
Crap. Utter crap.
1. Human error
2. Lack of security policy/procedures
3. Failure to enforce/adhere to 2
4. Using systems with known security flaws
Those are what cause system compromises and all of them can be avoided. The fact they were not is COMPLETELY Sonys fault.
Yay for not being on the PSN.
Both deserve a nice thrashing. If we could get at the Hackers they deserve more heat then Sony themselves I'd think. But Sony still need heat from this because without it they will NOT improve their security to make it so this sort of thing doesn't happen again.
Because Sony has handled this very poorly, not to mention something is seriously wrong with their architecture if all of that information was leaked at once.
Ah, Sony: you just can't seem to get anything right nowadays.
They were asking for the whole hacking mess they've been in ever since they made the design mistake of letting people install a secondary OS on their PS3s
yes, I said design MISTAKE
Sure, it's a nice feature, but it's practially asking for people to use the secondary OS to sniff around and really learn how the system ticks so they can exploit it for whatever purpose they might have, whether that purpose is relatively benign or something like installing custom firmware to pirate games.
Sony have been playing damage control ever since then. That's why the secondary OS feature was removed from the newer PS3s. The damage may not be as bad as they think, and there is the whole moral dilemma over what owners of the hardware have the right to do, but that's the strategy they've been sticking to and so far has only gotten them deeper into trouble.
They were asking for the whole hacking mess they've been in ever since they made the design mistake of letting people install a secondary OS on their PS3s
yes, I said design MISTAKE
Sure, it's a nice feature, but it's practially asking for people to use the secondary OS to sniff around and really learn how the system ticks so they can exploit it for whatever purpose they might have, whether that purpose is relatively benign or something like installing custom firmware to pirate games.
Sony have been playing damage control ever since then. That's why the secondary OS feature was removed from the newer PS3s. The damage may not be as bad as they think, and there is the whole moral dilemma over what owners of the hardware have the right to do, but that's the strategy they've been sticking to and so far has only gotten them deeper into trouble.