Why are Star Wars episodes I-III deemed so bad?
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Christensen killed it. I know people, myself included, who've gone over some of the lines in Ep 2 & 3 and they're not bad if delivered convincingly and almost all of them were his lines or dialogue with him. I have to feel sorry for McGreggor and Portman as they can act but he gave them nothing to work with.
Additionally, JarJar sucked those I could live with the rest of the gungans and midchlorians dumbed it down a little but I can live with them.
Additionally, JarJar sucked those I could live with the rest of the gungans and midchlorians dumbed it down a little but I can live with them.
I'm a huge prequel apologist. I think in the end Star Wars mean different things to everyone and depending on what it is to you, you react differently to it.
To me it was always a light hearted adventure movie. Familiar action and adventure in exotic locations. For me that's what Star Wars is at the very core, and while some people argue that the prequels lost that I feel that while they suck as far as movies go, the "Star Wars feeling" is still intact. Racing, the droid factory, the underwater city, the arena execution, space battles, captured heroes, taunting villains, exotic aliens. I know they are not very good movies, but that's not really why I liked them so much in the first place. That's probably why I'm one of the few who actually enjoy the new animated Clone Wars...
I also think it's somewhat connected to what you grew up with. I discussed this with a friend of mine who strongly argued that the prequels had totally lost "the Star Wars feel". But as we discussed it turned out that he had watched a lot of Star Wars prior to 1999 while I became a fan with episode II, and that had given us very different angles on the whole phenomenon.
To me it was always a light hearted adventure movie. Familiar action and adventure in exotic locations. For me that's what Star Wars is at the very core, and while some people argue that the prequels lost that I feel that while they suck as far as movies go, the "Star Wars feeling" is still intact. Racing, the droid factory, the underwater city, the arena execution, space battles, captured heroes, taunting villains, exotic aliens. I know they are not very good movies, but that's not really why I liked them so much in the first place. That's probably why I'm one of the few who actually enjoy the new animated Clone Wars...
I also think it's somewhat connected to what you grew up with. I discussed this with a friend of mine who strongly argued that the prequels had totally lost "the Star Wars feel". But as we discussed it turned out that he had watched a lot of Star Wars prior to 1999 while I became a fan with episode II, and that had given us very different angles on the whole phenomenon.
No, but what I did think is that he had potential. He showed courage, strength. Not a truckload perhaps, but the seed was there.JediMB said:
All I could think of when watching Hayden was when he was going to throw his next temper tantrum.
Woops! Misread that then, my bad. Was kinda distracted.Daystar Clarion said:
Problem is simple to answer your points (assuming your not going to watch RedLetterMedia)Nicktrip said:
Epic Battles: What makes a battle epic? For many people (including many of the original series), a battle is made epic by the people an emotion involved in it. A battle loses all tension and enjoyment if no care for these characters exist. To use the Episode 1 as the example, the final climactic battle contains this mess of emotional conflict. It constantly cuts between the comedy of JarJar, the chaos of Anakin in space and the calm conflict of the lightsaber fight. When these concepts are mashed together, the film cannot generate any legitimate emotion to project towards the audience, everything conflicts with eachother to the point that you stop caring on the events, you get sucked out and fall into "good guys are going to win" mode, since there is no tension to hold you.
Cool Sci-Fi Gadgets: Im guessing the big thing your pointing to here is the lighsabers. Perhaps many people who liked the prequel trilogy lightsaber fights miss the reason people enjoy the original movies and their lightsaber duels. You see the lightsabers in the new movies are about perfectly chereographed fighting, which misses the point entirely. The lightsaber duesl in the old movies where about an emotional confrontation. The swings and parries were not carried out by expects but were used to emphasises the point. Luke Skywalker would attack Vader out of anger, and he finally recognised that if he even fought Vader he was losing the fight.
Extensive Universe: Heres the easy one, the new films entirely ignored the universe established in the originals (even assuming you ignore all the established universe stuff)
Are you kidding?
Three quarters of the film time in episode I to III is spent on dull, inanimate dialogue about space politics, miserably failed attempts at lighting up some chemistry between Anakin and Padme, and CGI transitions involving ships flying from point A to point B for some reason.
Speaking of transitions, it seemed like Lucas' strategy was to just change scenes to whatever else he felt like seeing at the time, all three movies were like a fucking powerpoint slideshow.
The only good thing about any of them is Liam Neeson and he got killed off in the first film - good job knocking out one of the only half way decent actors you had, Lucas. Maybe Samuel L. Jackson can pick up some slack - nah fuck it let's give him 4 minutes of scene time. More time for Hayden to drone on!
Three quarters of the film time in episode I to III is spent on dull, inanimate dialogue about space politics, miserably failed attempts at lighting up some chemistry between Anakin and Padme, and CGI transitions involving ships flying from point A to point B for some reason.
Speaking of transitions, it seemed like Lucas' strategy was to just change scenes to whatever else he felt like seeing at the time, all three movies were like a fucking powerpoint slideshow.
The only good thing about any of them is Liam Neeson and he got killed off in the first film - good job knocking out one of the only half way decent actors you had, Lucas. Maybe Samuel L. Jackson can pick up some slack - nah fuck it let's give him 4 minutes of scene time. More time for Hayden to drone on!
I actually didn't mind the prequels at all. Episode 2 was admittedly quite weak, but Episode 1 was paced well, had a fairly enjoyable script, plus Liam Neeson. Episode 3 I really liked, again I thought the pacing was good, and the story was very good. I even didn't mind Hayden Christensen's performance. Plus, as blasphemous as some might find this, I thought John William's score for Episode 3 was the best work he has done on any of the Star Wars.
I actually like them a little more than the first three, especially Episode I. In Episode II the love scenes were cheesy, and III was way too predictable...
This is another one of those cases where about half the people that say the first three (old) were so much better than the new three don't really have their own opinion on it and just want to fit in.
This is another one of those cases where about half the people that say the first three (old) were so much better than the new three don't really have their own opinion on it and just want to fit in.
Well, they went in a very different direction. You'll notice the original movies had just one climactic lightsaber battle. In the prequels they wave them around everywhere. So, deviating massively from the original formula, lots more action and special effects, less story.
Mainly, I think it's Anakin. I still enjoy the prequels, but Ankain is so fucking annoying. In the first movie he's a child. In the second one he's an emo. The third one he's a naive idiotic gullible foolish (and still) emo.
But as I said, I like the movies, and the parts without Anakin are usually quite awesome. Or when he just shuts up and fights.
Mainly, I think it's Anakin. I still enjoy the prequels, but Ankain is so fucking annoying. In the first movie he's a child. In the second one he's an emo. The third one he's a naive idiotic gullible foolish (and still) emo.
But as I said, I like the movies, and the parts without Anakin are usually quite awesome. Or when he just shuts up and fights.
Oh Anakin, we should not be together, now lets frolic in the fields while I wear a sundress and we play with the animals. We cannot love each other, now excuse me while I change into something that shows cleavage. Oh you slaughtered sand people, women and children too, hmm Anakin lets get married even though I have no reason to even remotely tolerate you.V TheSystem V said:
I was also a tween when the prequel was released, and I too found the Phantom Menace to be the bee's knees.
However, when I saw the second film, I could only stare in a mix of shock/awe of what I was seeing. In other words, "WTF IS THIS SHIT?"
However, when I saw the second film, I could only stare in a mix of shock/awe of what I was seeing. In other words, "WTF IS THIS SHIT?"
I re-watched them recently and they don't really deserve all this burning hate, just most of it. I think most of it is down to THE worst performance I have ever seen on screen (Hayden Christensen as emo Vader). Also, the famous "NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" at the end of episode III really pissed people off.
I was willing to forgive the Anakin - Padme thing, the whining and everything (btw don't you mind their age difference?! I was kinda freaked out, but maybe that's just me), but the sighing droids man! they go around battlefield with Jar Jar on one side (enough said about THAT piece of character) and those noisy, weird-sound-toy-exhaling droids on the other. Why is cool droid to say "ow" when it gets hit?!
Anyway I found that VERY... not good for a Star Wars movie.
Anyway I found that VERY... not good for a Star Wars movie.