Why are The Witcher 2 fans so defensive?

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Hobonicus

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Question A:

I think people are upset about the negativity because for the most part, it's unfounded. Yes there isn't really much of a tutorial (except for the pop ups in the beginning and the section labeled "Tutorial" in your journal) and the difficulty curve is backwards (unless you turn the difficulty down, which can be done at any time and makes the game faaaar easier), but these things don't make much of a difference in the overall experience.

The game is actually fairly simple and easy to figure out, so when it's docked points because reviewers can't get past those minor frustrations people get mad. I never had to alt tab out, I never had to read the manual, I checked the in game tutorial only twice. And I am not a hardcore PC gamer, I hate convoluted games, hell even Operation Flashpoint is too complicated for me. People say "Read the manual!" because it's a more tangible answer than "...Seriously? it's not that hard guys."

A sloppy interface and lack of tutorial is totally different than a convoluted story. I haven't played FFXIII, but if you needed to read the datalog just to understand the story, that's a failing on the game's whole purpose. Not explaining every little mechanic to you (and you'll figure out everything before the prologue ends, the game gives you plenty of enemies who don't fight back to experiment with) is a miniscule issue that hardly effects the game.

But frankly all of that is moot because The Witcher 2 isn't complicated and does teach you everything you need to know to succeed. So when people like Yahtzee get frustrated and stop playing because the game isn't "holding their hand" it's gonna receive scorn from confused people who don't understand how our generation developed some sort of collective ADD.

Question B:

It's bothersome because they aren't having problems with realistic things like the writing, story, or even combat mechanics. What they do have issues with is so insignificant that it shouldn't be blown so ridiculously out of proportion to the point where CD Projekt Red will get the wrong impression and design the next game as a generic God of War/Dragon Age clone.
 

PrinceOfShapeir

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The Silver Sword/Steel Sword thing was pointless. It wasn't like there was ever a question as to which would be effective in a given situation. Humans & Humanlikes - Steel, Monsters - Silver. It didn't add tactical depth, it was just annoying.
 

thenamelessloser

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PrinceOfShapeir said:
The Silver Sword/Steel Sword thing was pointless. It wasn't like there was ever a question as to which would be effective in a given situation. Humans & Humanlikes - Steel, Monsters - Silver. It didn't add tactical depth, it was just annoying.
That isn't what Yahtzee said though, he made it sound like it was complicated not just something that may take up a few seconds to change every now and then for a fight. I can see why it can get tedious though and how it doesn't really add depth. Personally I will porbably like it like I did in the first one because I feel the two swords things helps immerse one into the witcher world, it is like how silver bullets are needed to kill werewolves in horror films.
 

Smooth Operator

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I find it quite funny people calling it a PC exclusive when it feels very much like a shoddy console port.

- QTE + button mash on every corner
- completely random control setup
- no tool tips
- no control screen
- no controls binding screen
- tutorial thrown in during high action scenes
- retarded item menu
- ...

Honestly who ever was working on the UI has never seen a PC RPG in their lifetime.
 

icame

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This is simply how fanboys operate. If you don't like their favorite thing accusations of being biased and a shitty reviewer get thrown around. Just so happens that the ones for the witcher 2 are a bit extreme.
 

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Snowalker said:
Well, you see, this is a AAA PC *only* game, so PC gamers have to defend it, because AAA games just aren't coming around as often as they used to.

Or at least thats their train of thought. I like the game, its not the second coming of PC gaming, but its good so... yeah.
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Em hard core fanboys(and girls) of everything are quite defensive. There are normal fanpeople even though fanperson is usually used in a derogatory sense.
 

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Zeriu said:
Snowalker said:
Well, you see, this is a AAA PC *only* game, so PC gamers have to defend it, because AAA games just aren't coming around as often as they used to.

Or at least thats their train of thought. I like the game, its not the second coming of PC gaming, but its good so... yeah.
Coming soon to an XBox360 near you.
And a ninja is behind you...
 

thenamelessloser

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Zeriu said:
Snowalker said:
Well, you see, this is a AAA PC *only* game, so PC gamers have to defend it, because AAA games just aren't coming around as often as they used to.

Or at least thats their train of thought. I like the game, its not the second coming of PC gaming, but its good so... yeah.
Coming soon to an XBox360 near you.
Yeah, that's another thing, a patch to help make the prologue easier and an officially announced port were both announced before the review was online. Someone being paid to make a video game funny review, shouldn't they be criticized for being too lazy to use wikipedia or google?
 

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I have this nasty little suspicion that it stems from the game being PC exclusive.

...

That is, until the 360 version comes out.
 

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I will point out that Greg's review was not particularly great, regardless of the opinion in it. In 3 pages he didn't even mention that the game has 2 entirely different separate acts, let alone the amount of choice you have within the story. I don't think he even touched upon the writing apart from to comment on the (admittedly weird) LotR reference.

As for ZP, its ZP. The only thing that irked me a little was there were a couple of inaccuracies (cutscenes are skippable).

People defend it because they really like it, and because it doesn't treat you like a moron. Which is really something these days.
 

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PrinceOfShapeir said:
The Silver Sword/Steel Sword thing was pointless. It wasn't like there was ever a question as to which would be effective in a given situation. Humans & Humanlikes - Steel, Monsters - Silver. It didn't add tactical depth, it was just annoying.
It was lore from the novels. In the novels monsters are damaged properly with silver and humans with steel.
 

synobal

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Well the ZP review was inaccurate and whiny. Mostly though I defend it because I think it's a genuinely good game and doesn't suffer from most the afflictions that are coming to the RPG genre lately. Just take a look at DA2 to see what I mean.
 

Mr. Omega

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It's simple math.

PC Elitism + Console (or in this case, PC) Exclusivity Defensiveness + RPG Snobbery + "Hardcore!" Mentality + Old-School-Game Fanboyism + Just plain being a Fanboy + Anonymousness of the Internet = The single most butthurt, whiny, "YOUR OPINION IS WRONG"-claiming, raging, angry fanoboys in the history of angry fanboys.
 

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LordRoyal said:
PrinceOfShapeir said:
The Silver Sword/Steel Sword thing was pointless. It wasn't like there was ever a question as to which would be effective in a given situation. Humans & Humanlikes - Steel, Monsters - Silver. It didn't add tactical depth, it was just annoying.
It was lore from the novels. In the novels monsters are damaged properly with silver and humans with steel.
Not to mention silver is a pretty soft metal and you wouldn't want to hit another sword with it. Sure it might survive being able to magically cleave through monster flesh that's softer than the silver but it's gonna be pretty messed up if you start banging it on armor and other swords. I honestly don't see how people miss that nor why it's a big deal, it takes 1 button press to change weapons.
 

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GreatTeacherCAW said:
I think the better question is: "Why are gamers so defensive?" I've noticed that most gamers are extremely annoying and whine about pretty much everything they can think of when it comes to something they hate, then go into ultimate rage when someone doesn't like what they like. For a sect that wants to be taken seriously, it is rather hilarious how childish and retarded they can be.
ZP said it best where he said we should remove the word "Gamer" out of the equation and not think of it as a group. Because group mentalities always lead to prejudgements on their actions.